*** Science Or God? ***

[Anish]

I think this is not going to stop unless TDF closes. The one known super power (god or evil) is human (Homo sapiens) - (ofcourse to our perspective).
They try to manupulate thoughts, convince fellow mates, create things, talk philosophies more than fictional gods etc. etc., evident from this very thread itself.

 

[Makx]

Our ancestors really had some advanced knowledge but so had people from other civilizations that made pyramids, puma punku and other megaliths around the world. Our babas might be good at reciting that knowledge but what else?
Where are the vimanas? Even Leonardo Da Vinci designed and wrote about things not at his time like planes.
What about kundalini jagran, where are the people with chakras? Where are the floating sadhus?
What about the rest of the world? Our ancestors went to sun, moon, Jupiter, heaven, hell, Saptrishi but didn't venture outside of India on earth?
So should we just sit and chant and praise the knowledge of our ancestors or research and find out more about the universe, no matter how finite or infinite it might be.

 

[Anorion]

^are those cultures still around?
Why not chant prayers and research about the universe, the conflict is manufactured.

 

[Makx]

^ duh!
Some of them sure are.
Chinese, they made great wall of china, have acupuncture and numerous other things.
The mayan people are still here and so might be others.

Why not chant prayers and research about the universe, the conflict is manufactured.

Because as I posted above the babas chanting prayers haven't done any of the above mentioned things, and the same happens to their followers.
And rather than chanting prayers we should learn things from our traditional knowledge and implement it to help the millions of poor and needy, like some do.
Why not make things from veda/puranas/upnishads like vimanas and other stuff, rather than just sit in awe at how our ancestors did it and praise them?

 

[whitestar_999]

Why not make things from veda/puranas/upnishads like vimanas and other stuff, rather than just sit in awe at how our ancestors did it and praise them?

this is not gonna happen even in next 1000 years simply because it is beyond any mere mortal human being.

 

[Anorion]

^still not continuous for 4000 years+
So many monks were scientists

Knowledge in vedas, puranas, upanishads is encoded in song and dance and art. Panchatantra is for kids, these were stories for adults.
Many of these casual statements have better meanings. Sanskrit is good for programming they say, but its not about the coding language. Sanskrit has some unique features which makes it valuable. One of these is the pronounciation is very specific, and does not change from region to region or across periods of time. If you could speaks to machines in sanskrit then they could understand at every syllable, just as text input, instead of processing the whole string at once.
Some of these prayers and mantras had practical applications of just recitation, for example making sure sounds of vowels dont change across generations.

Abt vimanas, nuclear weapons, and whatever tech was supposed to exist, that is all fantasy obviously, its not like anyone really believes that stuff. The imagination was there, for seeing or hearing things from far, flying crafts, robots, wmds.... Science has still to invent shapeshifting, voice input for arms, everlasting materials, head transplants, mind controlled zombies...

 

[Makx]

this is not gonna happen even in next 1000 years simply because it is beyond any mere mortal human being.

are you saying those things were never there or were godly?
I am sure we can

^still not continuous for 4000 years+

??? elaborate please.

The concept of Sanskrit being the perfect programming language came in 1985 I think, I dunno what has happened since.

 

[whitestar_999]

then why is it that after so many years there is no significant effort/result towards developing sanskrit as a programming language.like i said before it is simply beyond any mere mortal to actually materialize any such knowledge in vedas etc.as for monks being scientists name one which can match the contributions of aryabhatta,bhaskara or modern day compatriots like chandrashekhar & c.v.raman.

are you saying those things were never there or were godly?

you yourself answered this.if these things were never there then no doubt at all & if these things were there then by extension they are godly & as such beyond the reach of mere mortals.you can't selectively pick certain parts of vedas to make your claim & if you took the whole then it is obvious they were godly.best example of this is the supposedly infinite nature of sun which now we know is not true.sun is a simple yellow class star which has a limited life span & it is theoretically possible to destroy it.i don't think anywhere in vedas it is mentioned that "surya" can be destroyed/killed.

 

[Anorion]

as for monks being scientists name one which can match the contributions of aryabhatta,bhaskara or modern day compatriots like chandrashekhar & c.v.raman.

Gregor Mendel

 

[whitestar_999]

he was a christian in a post-renaissance era & as you know this was quite an advantage in having access to modern education at that time.by monk i meant religious people who never got modern education(the kind like mendel got) & yet came up with some significant discovery.accounting may be for 1-2 exceptions(not even sure) there is none.no matter whether one believe in god or not without modern education in relevant discipline there is no chance for such a person to come up with scientific discovery.monks/sadhus/... by definition mean those people who have abandoned the material world & by extension modern knowledge as well.they can't be both a monk/sadhu practicing meditation/yoga in morning & conducting experiments in evening in a lab.

 

[Makx]

those might be fantasy stuff for sure, but I am sure we can make some of them like scientists are working on/made invisibility cloak from Harry Potter
But it is another thing that it reaches the general public or not like we have enough renewable energy technology eg. PowerDish but still the people pay through their noses for energy.

according to religious texts brahma is mortal and dies the end of cycle of the universe when universe comes to an end

 

[Anorion]

ah. there's a whole hierarchy. practical end is at trimurti, brahma-vishnu-shiva, but brahma is rarely worshiped directly, at the same level, there is devi or shakti, then there is parabrahma (lasts for a cycle) then above that there is adi-parashakti (transcendent in all cycles). wikipedia is in confusion about all of this.

yes, forest dwellers were far more environmentally friendly than forest cutters

 

[skeletor]

Sanskrit is good for programming they say, but its not about the coding language. Sanskrit has some unique features which makes it valuable. One of these is the pronounciation is very specific, and does not change from region to region or across periods of time. If you could speaks to machines in sanskrit then they could understand at every syllable, just as text input, instead of processing the whole string at once.
Some of these prayers and mantras had practical applications of just recitation, for example making sure sounds of vowels dont change across generations.

The reason why it is good is because it was fixed/standardised by Panini. That standardised Sanskrit has survived till date. When it was actually spoken by people earlier, obviously it had dialects. This old Sanskrit would not have been good.

Plus, it is not the 'only' natural language fit for computers like Rishabh_sharma1990 claimed. The current surviving form is fit because it was standardised. Otherwise it would not have been that fit.

The bold part is true because Sanskrit has very high inflection. btw, I know Bulgarian to some extent. It is also one highly inflected language. Much more than any of the daughter languages of Sanskrit.

^are those cultures still around?

I don't even see the Vedic culture being still around tbh.

Everyone knows how today's Indian culture is like. eg, not eating non-veg on Tuesday. lol wth is this "Tuesday"? How did "Tuesday" become a "Tuesday"? Then eating everything except beef. Why beef is a taboo? I see no difference in a goat's/chicken's life or a cow's. All are animals. If so sympathetic rather avoid non-veg food at all. One weird logic is, "non-veg khayoge toh paap chadhega." That's bull$hit.

 

[whitestar_999]

according to religious texts brahma is mortal and dies the end of cycle of the universe when universe comes to an end

completely false.according to mythical scriptures the holy trinity is immortal as they were not born but always in existence(one who does not have a beginning also does not have an end).

 

[Makx]

completely false.according to mythical scriptures the holy trinity is immortal as they were not born but always in existence(one who does not have a beginning also does not have an end).

Then you better get this page scrapped Hindu cycle of the universe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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For the interested souls who genuinely like to explore , an interesting compilation by someone : *www.facebook.com/BharatiyaVastukala

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Myths about Indian economy (a must watch) : *www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRloJjKQa70

Analysis : Agamas and Science and Art of Temple Construction

 

[whitestar_999]

Then you better get this page scrapped Hindu cycle of the universe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wiki is not a good source for indian mythology unlike,say,greek mythology.who do you trust anyway?a foreign site run by people 99% of whom don't know about hindu mythology or your own indian mythological stories/tv serials/articles/people/.....i don't even consider it worthwhile to put a request for correction.even the page says "The neutrality of this article is disputed".maybe some religious scholar who can quote exact texts to counter such claims can put up a request but most likely such persons too will not consider it worth their time to put such a request.

 

[Anorion]

What there are cycles, what are four yugas then

 

[Inceptionist]

wiki is not a good source for indian mythology unlike,say,greek mythology.who do you trust anyway?a foreign site run by people 99% of whom don't know about hindu mythology or your own indian mythological stories/tv serials/articles/people/.....i don't even consider it worthwhile to put a request for correction.even the page says "The neutrality of this article is disputed".maybe some religious scholar who can quote exact texts to counter such claims can put up a request but most likely such persons too will not consider it worth their time to put such a request.

It is a wiki. Anybody can edit it. Even though it is run by 'foreign' people, there are many Indian editors.
And not a single reference is cited. Hence the message "The neutrality of this article is disputed".
Feel free to go ahead and add proper sources that support the article.

 

[Makx]

What there are cycles, what are four yugas then

satyug, tretayug,dwaparyug,kaliyug subcycles?

wiki is not a good source for indian mythology unlike,say,greek mythology.who do you trust anyway?a foreign site run by people 99% of whom don't know about hindu mythology or your own indian mythological stories/tv serials/articles/people/.....i don't even consider it worthwhile to put a request for correction.even the page says "The neutrality of this article is disputed".maybe some religious scholar who can quote exact texts to counter such claims can put up a request but most likely such persons too will not consider it worth their time to put such a request.

Wikipedia is a site run by data submitted from people, if you have a valid source go ahead and the changes will be made,
trust indian tv serials over Wikipedia!!! I have seen lots of them and they too had different stories at various places.
You mean the religious people running websites for their devotees will not find time to get Wikipedia corrected regarding their religion? Great.

And as far as I remember Brahma came out of a lotus from vishnu's navel and it says same here Brahma : Hindu Gods trinity : Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva

and brahma dies says Indian Mythology: Tales, Symbols, and Rituals from the Heart of the Subcontinent - Devdutt Pattanaik - Google Books,A Brahma lives for one hundred such years and then dies. A Brahma, who is generally a great devotee of the Lord, attains liberation after such a downfall - Vaniquotes,Lord Brahma: The God of Creation and Sakthi Foundation