FAQ and Help for Freshers In IT/Govt jobs

[whitestar_999]

not 1 crore per annum but per few months if you are good(read many of your students score 320+ out of 600 in that subject papers).

@ratul,that's what i was saying.in your "made easy" comment it should be "IES" not "IAS or IES" because no IAS will leave his job for a mere coaching institute even if it pays crores.

@tkin,engineers constitutes ~45-50% of successful candidates in UPSC civil services exam.also an IAS is no puppet to any politician unless he willingly choose to become one because of corruption etc & even then it depends on that person's ability.remember politicians come & go but IAS remains.a good example of this is neera yadav who survived 3 govt(BJP,SP,BSP who don't even see eye to eye) even after supreme court of india held her accountable for ~400cr scam without spending a single day in jail & to top it off won the IAS association election & finally resigned just a few weeks before her retirement to bury any legal issue.rest assured that if an IAS officer has made it a personal matter against someone then only god or connections with gandhi family can help you.i know you are in WB but whatever you think WB of today is still far behind the laalu prasad's reign of 90's bihar & even then IAS were not to be taken lightly.like i said it also depends on person & if the person itself is weak no amount of power will help.

P.S.i am loving this ignore list function.just add the user's name to list & all posts by that user becomes hidden.

 

[ratul]

The same reason a CEO in India is paid a lot less than CEOs in USA. 100k is not that a big salary in USA, check out how much a top lawyer makes.

, darn, in india, max salary is shown 10lac pa, in usa, that's avg salary..
Certified Ethical Hacker (CEH) Certification Salary, Average Salaries | PayScale India
*i.imgur.com/MLjXrdO.png

 

[sam_738844]

Take a look at this...

Security Consultant, (Computing / Networking / Information Technology) Salary, Average Salaries | PayScale India

 

[tkin]

not 1 crore per annum but per few months if you are good(read many of your students score 320+ out of 600 in that subject papers).

@ratul,that's what i was saying.in your "made easy" comment it should be "IES" not "IAS or IES" because no IAS will leave his job for a mere coaching institute even if it pays crores.

@tkin,engineers constitutes ~45-50% of successful candidates in UPSC civil services exam.also an IAS is no puppet to any politician unless he willingly choose to become one because of corruption etc & even then it depends on that person's ability.remember politicians come & go but IAS remains.a good example of this is neera yadav who survived 3 govt(BJP,SP,BSP who don't even see eye to eye) even after supreme court of india held her accountable for ~400cr scam without spending a single day in jail & to top it off won the IAS association election & finally resigned just a few weeks before her retirement to bury any legal issue.rest assured that if an IAS officer has made it a personal matter against someone then only god or connections with gandhi family can help you.i know you are in WB but whatever you think WB of today is still far behind the laalu prasad's reign of 90's bihar & even then IAS were not to be taken lightly.like i said it also depends on person & if the person itself is weak no amount of power will help.

P.S.i am loving this ignore list function.just add the user's name to list & all posts by that user becomes hidden.

I agree but just yesterday a Police Commissioner was stripped of his post and sent to work as the bodyguard of a politician who ordered it, same thing happened to another IPS officer last year(Crime wing chief), I agree IAS gets a bit more respect but still
I have a relative, who was a judge, he got frustrated with the legal system and left it to go corporate, sometimes this political pressure tends to get to even IAS officers.

Take a look at this...

Security Consultant, (Computing / Networking / Information Technology) Salary, Average Salaries | PayScale India

That's not very good, I mean after 10yrs or so even an IT analyst gets that much I think, or is that the starting salary of a IT Security expert?

 

[ratul]

Take a look at this...

Security Consultant, (Computing / Networking / Information Technology) Salary, Average Salaries | PayScale India

yup, it's still not good, it's almost 500% less than usa's salary, even half would've been good, but it's 5 times less..
guess my career plan should go like: take 5-10yrs experience in india, meanwhile clearing exams like CEH, OSCP, CCNA Security and others, then either start a business in IT Security or definitely go abroad..
One of my seniors got in a small company as Info Sec. Analyst last yr @ meager 13.5k per month, after one year, he was in dubai earning 70k (not too much i know but it's good for a 1yr experienced candidate..)

 

[sam_738844]

tkin to be Security Consultant, you need to be very good at it. Read this

CCIE is the most demanded Certification in Networking Domain, offered by Cisco Systems. Experienced CCIE Engineers are getting upto 40 Lacs INR Packages in India. Whereas a fresher can expect 5+ in very beginning of his/her career. Scope/Future of CCIE certification/course in very bright. Btech/BE/BCA/BA/B.com or BSCIT, any graduate can do CCIE. You don't need to have relevant experience or knowledge about Networking to start preparing for CCIE.

CCIE Engineers are highest paid Network Professionals in World. As it is most respected and highest level of Certification. There are very Few CCIE's in this world. There are around 23,000 CCIE R&S engineers, whereas companies need more than 1.5Lacs. There are around 4000 CCIE Security Certified Engineers in World, whereas industry need 20,000 CCIE Security Version 4 Engineers.
Out of all CCIE tracks, CCIE R&S is the evergreen track. CCIE Security is the most demanded certification out of all CCIE tracks.

A CCIE R&S Certified Engineer can expect around 5 Lacs Package as a fresher, whereas A CCIE Security Certified engineer can easily get around 7 Lacs Package as a fresher.

And yes in USA its way higher...of course why not? we all know why business and knowledge is being outsourced lin India by MNC.

*computer-careers-review.toptenreviews.com/network-security-specialist-review.html

 

[tkin]

tkin to be Security Consultant, you need to be very good at it. Read this

CCIE is the most demanded Certification in Networking Domain, offered by Cisco Systems. Experienced CCIE Engineers are getting upto 40 Lacs INR Packages in India. Whereas a fresher can expect 5+ in very beginning of his/her career. Scope/Future of CCIE certification/course in very bright. Btech/BE/BCA/BA/B.com or BSCIT, any graduate can do CCIE. You don't need to have relevant experience or knowledge about Networking to start preparing for CCIE.

CCIE Engineers are highest paid Network Professionals in World. As it is most respected and highest level of Certification. There are very Few CCIE's in this world. There are around 23,000 CCIE R&S engineers, whereas companies need more than 1.5Lacs. There are around 4000 CCIE Security Certified Engineers in World, whereas industry need 20,000 CCIE Security Version 4 Engineers.
Out of all CCIE tracks, CCIE R&S is the evergreen track. CCIE Security is the most demanded certification out of all CCIE tracks.

A CCIE R&S Certified Engineer can expect around 5 Lacs Package as a fresher, whereas A CCIE Security Certified engineer can easily get around 7 Lacs Package as a fresher.

From where and how do we get the certification, exams, fees etc?

 

[sam_738844]

From where and how do we get the certification, exams, fees etc?

Certifications - IT Certification and Career Paths - Cisco Systems

 

[ratul]

From where and how do we get the certification, exams, fees etc?

ahem, this is what i found from wikipedia:

Written examination

The first requirement to achieve CCIE certification is to pass a written examination specific for the CCIE track the candidate is pursuing. The CCIE written examination is a two hour qualification exam consisting of 90-110 questions, and can be taken at any Cisco authorized Pearson VUE testing center. Questions may be a combination of multiple choice and more complex, interactive items that assess technical knowledge. The results of the written exam are pass/fail and are available immediately. The passing score is set by statistical analysis and is subject to change. The scoring is reported on a scale of 300-1000 points, and the current cost of the exam is $350 per attempt. Passing the CCIE written exam is a pre-requisite to sit the CCIE lab exam.
Lab examination

The second and far more difficult requirement needed to achieve CCIE certification is to pass a grueling hands on lab examination administered by Cisco. The specific format of the lab is currently not the same across all tracks, but in general the entire time of the lab exam is 8 hours. The CCIE lab requires a candidate to configure and troubleshoot a series of complex networks to given specifications in this limited amount of time. Point values are given for each task, and a candidate must achieve a given number of points (About 80%) to pass the lab exam. The current cost of the exam is $1500 per attempt not including travel and lodging expenses. The CCIE lab exam is graded by trained proctors who ensure the entire criterion are met and points are awarded accordingly. Typically results of the lab exam are available within 48 hours.

The CCIE lab has traditionally only been available to take at a handful of Cisco lab locations worldwide including Bangalore, Beijing, Brussels, Dubai, Hong Kong, Raleigh, San Jose, São Paulo, Sydney and Tokyo. Not all tracks are available at all locations. Recently, there have been efforts made by Cisco to expand the availability of the lab in some tracks by introducing both a mobile lab which moves periodically to different cities around the world, and through introducing the ability to take the lab exam at a Pearson VUE testing center.

 

[tkin]

Certifications - IT Certification and Career Paths - Cisco Systems

Gawd Damn too many options, which is the best? And how do I go about it in India? Please provide a small summary here, you created this thread for this remember?

 

[sam_738844]

Network Bulls is Cisco Networking Certifications Training Institute in India.

Network Bulls was established in 2009 and are first choice for Training on Cisco CCIE courses and offer trainings on very popular Cisco, Juniper, Checkpoint, Microsoft programs like CCNA, CCNA Security, Ethical Hacking, CEH, MCITP, CCSA, CCNA Voice, CCNP, CCSP/CCNP Security, CCIP, CCVP, CCDA, CCDP, CCIE Routing and Switching, CCIE Security Version 4, CCIE Voice, CCIE Service Provider and CCIE Wireless. Over the last two years have become Asia`s leading Networking & Security Courses Training, Solutions & Consultancy Provider.


Info About CCIE Security training program for freshers:

CCIE Security: CCNA, CCNA Security, CCNP, CCSP, Ethical Hacking CEH from EC-Council, CCIE Security Written, CCIE Security Lab Training | Free Rack practice time in case candidate does not pass in first attempt.

Program fees

Integrated CCIE Security Program for freshers Duration and fee is as follows:
Duration for Freshers: 8-9 months - 6-7hours/day class
Fee: Rs 1,50,000/- including all taxes
CCIE Security Duration and Fee will be different for Fresher'while experienced CCIE's Integrated program and CCIE Security Bootcamps and other tracks for Experienced Candidates, Click here for Details.

Network Bulls facilities makes learning environment friendly, professional as well as comfortable. At its disposal, Network Bulls has an impressive infrastructure in India. Some of the highlights of infrastructure available are:
Modern Rack Equipment. We use the most updated exquipment and infrastruture to conduct our programs
Individual Rack access to students with 24x7 lab access
CCIE Certified trainers with very good experience in industry and training
Biggest Cisco training lab in New Delhi and Gurgaon
Limited number of students in every class(Maximum 7)
1-on-1 training also available
Regular track, Fast track, Super fast track or customized training available
Hostel facility @ 5000/- per month(including 3 meals a day + Laundry etc)
Payment method using cash/credit cards/cheque
Corporate training and onsite training is also delivered
CCIE training for experienced engineers

Network Bulls offers CCIE training to experienced engineers at its Gurgaon location.
CCIE Security
CCIE training is given by experienced CCIE certified trainers.
CCIE Routing & Switching training is given by Vijay Negi (CCIE number 21307)
CCIE Security training is given by Vikas Kumar who is an industry expert in Security domain.

What is CCIE?

CCIE [Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert] is the highest level of expertise certification available in the field of Computer and Internet Networking. Offered by Cisco systems, world largest Networking Equipment seller in the world, this is the highest level of expertise available. Also known as doctorate in Networking, this certification requires you to a 3 hours written exam followed by a Lab exam 8 Hours. The CCIE is widely regarded as having one of the toughest, most demanding exams. It includes both a written exam and a day-long lab exam. This certification is aimed at senior level networking professionals who design, build, implement, maintain, or troubleshoot complex enterprise networking infrastructures.

Lab exam is only available in selected locations the world. As of today CCIE exam of Routing & Switching and CCIE Security is available in Bangalore while for other certifications like CCIE WIRELESS,CCIE VOICE or CCIE Service provider, one has to travel to Europe or USA etc.

Total of Worldwide CCIEs: 27222 (last updated 10/1/2010)
Total of Routing and Switching CCIEs: 21386
Total of Security CCIEs: 2589
Total of Service Provider CCIEs: 1289
Total of Voice CCIEs: 1958

"The CCIE has been considered the most difficult certification in the IT industry since its launch in 1993. It has two parts: a written exam and a practical lab test. The CCIE is offered in Seven tracks: Routing and switching; Security; Service provider; Storage networking, Designing, Wireless; and voice. The most popular track is routing and switching. "Over the life of the program, the overall pass rate has usually been 26%," says Mike Reid, senior manager of CCIE programs for Cisco, which won't reveal the pass rate for last year. "We target the material at an expert level. The pass rate is secondary."

What is the Average Salary offered to CCIE in India for freshers ?

Average CCIE Salary starts from Rs 8 Lakh/Annum for Freshers with CCIE Lab Certifications while experienced CCIE's are drawing upto 30 Lakh/Annum in India.

Outside India, the salary depends on the country however following is a standard in USA.

You can find thousand of Job vacancies around the world when your search for the keyword CCIE, with some of the best salaries being offered and you can easily get job in USA with average salary of 100,000 USD.

As CCIE exams says passing rate is the secondary, its the quality of expertise that matters.80% of the students who took CCIE training got good job offers before completion of the program. Not all the candidates who come for CCIE Security training in Delhi Gurgaon center appear for the exam because its an additional investment of Rs 80,000 - 1 Lakh per attempt. (Depending on travel location etc.) Generally passing rate is 3 attempts as per Cisco Records. But those who are interested to make this investment reaps great benefit throughout their careers.

In such a short time span, we have achieved various milestones. Because of the quality of training we have an amazing placement rate and student refer more people after getting into the jobs etc.

Student who took the training from Network Bulls has been working with some of the best companies in the country. Almost 90% of the students are not BE or BTECH but still got a chance to work with the best brands. All students who passed CCIE Lab spent an average 6 months to 8 months and all passed in the first attempt.

--Courtesy Network Bulls.

 

[tkin]

^^ So , no part time training, have to quit job, seems like a bit risky, maybe after I gain some experience so that I won't have to beg door to door of the companies to get a job later.

 

[whitestar_999]

@tkin,you are right about it being risky.even gaining some experience may not be enough in time of economic downturn so never quit a job unless you have saved enough & accomplished some mentionable feats to put in your resume(some difficult project etc).

 

[sam_738844]

Wrong Again...These courses has nothing to do with current designation of a person be it a Fresher/Senior Associate/Team Lead/Entrepreneur/Developer/even CEO. They wont look for your accomplishment in some "difficult project" ( the term does not exist in IT..its not some school where some "subjects" are difficult or so...its childish term) in your CV as those will be completely irrelevant for what you will be learning and up to UNTIL AND UNLESS ITS NETWORK ORIENTED JOB you were doing...Skill Set in GUI prog, web service/methods, ASP.NET,Or OBI tool/DWH/SAP even java will be of little help to you in CCIE even if the stack is great.

read again about CCIE ..."The CCIE is widely regarded as having one of the toughest, most demanding exams. It includes both a written exam and a day-long lab exam. This certification is aimed at senior level networking professionals who design, build, implement, maintain, or troubleshoot complex enterprise networking infrastructures." The only thing they will concern about you is how good you are at network Security and if you cleared CCENT,CCNA CCNP before you are going for CCIE...It will be helpful for you only..just like knowing C++ helps you learn JAVA because both are OOP. Notice that they are also highlighting about senior level network professionals which implies that those who are already in-line for this are most fit for the same...and when you are already in alignment to you current JD as network specialist, it wont take a heavy toll on you.

Read below from Cisco....

Prerequisites

There are no formal prerequisites for CCIE certification. Other professional certifications or training courses are not required. Instead, candidates must first pass a written qualification exam and then the corresponding hands-on lab exam. You are expected to have an in-depth understanding of the topics in the exam blueprints and strongly encouraged to have three to five years of job experience before attempting certification.


check the flow diagram here for more clarity...*www.cisco.com/web/learning/certifications/expert/ccie_security/index.html

and tkin, quitting job and planning for an MS or Mtech or MBA is equally risky, quitting job alone itself is always risky...whatever you'll be having in mind for that, you have to absolutely sure and confident about its results and your future, it does not take an economic turbulence to get into trouble after quitting a job.

 

[ratul]

."The CCIE is widely regarded as having one of the toughest, most demanding exams. It includes both a written exam and a day-long lab exam. This certification is aimed at senior level networking professionals who design, build, implement, maintain, or troubleshoot complex enterprise networking infrastructures."

a day long???
i read it is 8 hrs long, OSCP has 24hrs. exam in which you have to hack 5 servers, damn i so want to be OSCP certified..

 

[nginx]

and tkin, quitting job and planning for an MS or Mtech or MBA is equally risky, quitting job alone itself is always risky...whatever you'll be having in mind for that, you have to absolutely sure and confident about its results and your future, it does not take an economic turbulence to get into trouble after quitting a job.

Atleast with MS or MTech or MBA you can be sure that once you pass out, your prospects of getting a job will be much brighter than when you were simply an undergrad.

 

[mitraark]

yup, it's still not good, it's almost 500% less than usa's salary, even half would've been good, but it's 5 times less..
guess my career plan should go like: take 5-10yrs experience in india, meanwhile clearing exams like CEH, OSCP, CCNA Security and others, then either start a business in IT Security or definitely go abroad..
One of my seniors got in a small company as Info Sec. Analyst last yr @ meager 13.5k per month, after one year, he was in dubai earning 70k (not too much i know but it's good for a 1yr experienced candidate..)

Your post is misleading to say the least. People working in Dubai deserve to be paid 3 times more than that in India because Living cost there is 3 times that of a metropolitan city in India. Same goes for US, i've heard almost 45% of your earning goes way on various taxes.

an 8 LPA job in India is equivalent of a 80k$ ( 40+lpa ) job in the US.

 

[nginx]

Your post is misleading to say the least. People working in Dubai deserve to be paid 3 times more than that in India because Living cost there is 3 times that of a metropolitan city in India. Same goes for US, i've heard almost 45% of your earning goes way on various taxes.

an 8 LPA job in India is equivalent of a 80k$ ( 40+lpa ) job in the US.

They do get a lot of benefits from the government in return for those taxes, not like in India where most of the tax money is used to help politicians and ministers lead a luxurious life.

 

[mitraark]

They do get a lot of benefits from the government in return for those taxes, not like in India where most of the tax money is used to help politicians and ministers lead a luxurious life.

Yes i've heard they have a world class public education system, but we much cheaper things because of subsidies.

This is ON topic, don't go by the remuneration, i'd prefer working in my hometown than in any other city for a couple k extra per month, and i'd calculate all expenditures if i've to work outside ( assuming career growth options are somewhat similar in all cases )

 

[nginx]

Yes i've heard they have a world class public education system, but we much cheaper things because of subsidies.

This is ON topic, don't go by the remuneration, i'd prefer working in my hometown than in any other city for a couple k extra per month, and i'd calculate all expenditures if i've to work outside ( assuming career growth options are somewhat similar in all cases )

Who doesn't like working in hometown? Even for 5K less salary I am willing to work in my hometown. Not having to pay rent can alone save 8-10K a month. Then time with family, home cooked meals and being able to speak in native language with people are always welcome benefits.