FAQ and Help for Freshers In IT/Govt jobs

[tkin]

Re: FAQ and Help for Freshers In IT/Telecom

A. I think its very shallow to stereotype about government jobs/employees like that. My uncle is a govt employee and he certainly doesn't enjoy such luxury of no work all day and coming home early. It all depends on which department you get and the workload there. That's why Rabindra Bhattacharya was annoyed & resigned when he was removed as Agri minister and transferred over to Stats department where there was no work. He could have easily put his feet up and enjoyed the free time in office but he didn't.

There are many govt departments where you have to work very hard and compared to that IT job is luxury where you can often sit in bench for the better of the year without project. You said you know a friend who does not have to do any job in govt office.
B. I also know a friend who was benched for 1.5 years in a IT company and after that he quit in favor of a govt job because he wanted to do some "actual work" and not just sit around and twiddle his thumbs all day. See how experiences of people vary? I don't think one should look for job with the mentality of not having to work, then he will never succeed in life.

Not shallow, let me remind you:

A. Personal choice, if one wants, like the person you mentioned, he can do work, if he doesn't, he won't have to, my friend falls in second category, he doesn't want to do work, a lot of his colleagues feel the same way, only a fraction don't and they are trying to leave the company,

B. Not a choice, being in bench is not a choice, its by force(well one can choose to sit in bench even if he gets work in IT, but its the same as committing suicide).

So your comparison is henceforth made redundant. Read my original post again, I want to join a PSU so the workload is lighter, no fear of sacking, increments even in times of dire recession.

I never meant to offend a govt. employee, in fact my mother is a BSNL SDE, but she still has to do some work in broadband department, a lot of the other employees there don't do anything, even my mother can't make a line man go to work, he has union, he only goes to work if he wishes to, he is well paid with benefits, once it took my mother 6 days to get a line man to come fix my connection, so that's the beauty of govt. jobs, if you wan't you don't have to do a thing to get paid, and there lies the attraction of govt. jobs, compared to IT, where no hard work will get you kicked out before you can say "Wat?"

Mixed views are always there for every topic and in my opinion they're most welcome unless they lead to heated argument.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm enjoying the discussion till now. Therefore, requesting the mods to do nothing

Now on topic, IT, computers, technology or whatever it is, I've been a great enthusiast in this field since class 7th. I was always an example to learn from in this field. (many guys here would have similar history). From that time, to now, when I'm about to complete my computer science engg in a matter of months, I've been the same. But but but, somehow I don't want to be part of this world any more. Reason partly lies in running away from race of cattle herds, and partly due to my loose in interest in some core subjects like ds, ada, toc, and likewise.

Gradually, job security and more importantly social status began to lure me, which eventually pushed me in the world of general competition. I've also filled the form of CGL and honestly I'd leave any IT company (except the elites, which I'm not gonna make anyway, so don't care) if I get qualified. I've not lost the zeal towards my beloved field, but of now, can only christen it as "compromise".

Disclaimer: Above is just my personal POV, and it may differ from person to person.

Exactly this. I feel the same now

 

[nginx]

Re: FAQ and Help for Freshers In IT/Telecom

Mixed views are always there for every topic and in my opinion they're most welcome unless they lead to heated argument.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm enjoying the discussion till now. Therefore, requesting the mods to do nothing

Now on topic, IT, computers, technology or whatever it is, I've been a great enthusiast in this field since class 7th. I was always an example to learn from in this field. (many guys here would have similar history). From that time, to now, when I'm about to complete my computer science engg in a matter of months, I've been the same. But but but, somehow I don't want to be part of this world any more. Reason partly lies in running away from race of cattle herds, and partly due to my loose in interest in some core subjects like ds, ada, toc, and likewise.

Gradually, job security and more importantly social status began to lure me, which eventually pushed me in the world of general competition. I've also filled the form of CGL and honestly I'd leave any IT company (except the elites, which I'm not gonna make anyway, so don't care) if I get qualified. I've not lost the zeal towards my beloved field, but of now, can only christen it as "compromise".

Disclaimer: Above is just my personal POV, and it may differ from person to person.

Have you finished your degree course or not? You cannot appear for this year's CGL exam if you aren't last year's pass-out batch. Only candidates who have passed out before 01.01.2013 are eligible.

On topic, I don't think one needs to be dead set on the type of job right after passing out from college. One can always work for a couple of years in a certain job and then change careers. The experience you gain in any job is always valuable for freshers. Your life won't be over if you don't get your dream job right after passing out of college.

A. Personal choice, if one wants, like the person you mentioned, he can do work, if he doesn't, he won't have to, my friend falls in second category, he doesn't want to do work, a lot of his colleagues feel the same way, only a fraction don't and they are trying to leave the company,

Are you saying that govt employees can choose to not work even when there is actual work? I don't think that's true. If that were true, the govt machinery would simply not function but it does doesn't it?

I want to join a PSU so the workload is lighter, no fear of sacking, increments even in times of dire recession.

There is no hard and fast rule of lighter workload in PSU. Workload varies from department to department. In IT company while workload is high when there is project, its just the opposite when there is no project. So in the end it all balances out.

that's the beauty of govt. jobs, if you wan't you don't have to do a thing to get paid, and there lies the attraction of govt. jobs

If freshers start looking for a job with that mentality, I think they are doomed even before their career has begun. There are lazy slobs among govt employees no doubt but I believe they are in the minority.

 

[dashing.sujay]

Re: FAQ and Help for Freshers In IT/Telecom

Have you finished your degree course or not? You cannot appear for this year's CGL exam if you aren't last year's pass-out batch. Only candidates who have passed out before 01.01.2013 are eligible.

No, I'm in last sem, but I don't care. A hands on experience will be good.

 

[nginx]

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bank PO job is worst public sector job(note it is not govt job because a govt job means directly working under govt. of india which means jobs in PSU's like ntpc & banks except RBI are not govt. jobs)

What makes the bank PO job so undesirable among all public sector jobs? I have heard it before as well in other forums but nobody gave a solid reason. Some say its because of the workload but surely that can't be the only reason right? Freshers should be motivated to work hard if the salary is good.

 

[gopi_vbboy]

Renamed Thread for clarity of discussion

 

[dashing.sujay]

Re: FAQ and Help for Freshers In IT/Telecom

What makes the bank PO job so undesirable among all public sector jobs? I have heard it before as well in other forums but nobody gave a solid reason. Some say its because of the workload but surely that can't be the only reason right? Freshers should be motivated to work hard if the salary is good.

The workload is obviously comparatively more, plus it's much stressing. The pay is still low as per the standards. Also, the work culture varies a lot from area to area and bank to bank. Rural areas of north india are most undesirable posting locations, south being best. Even my dad was on the verge of resignation due to pressure. (some personal reason was also involved). Job satisfaction is one of the lowest in banking sector. Increment in salary, more staff, and a better work culture can improve the situation.

 

[nginx]

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The workload is obviously comparatively more, plus it's much stressing. The pay is still low as per the standards. Also, the work culture varies a lot from area to area and bank to bank. Rural areas of north india are most undesirable posting locations, south being best. Even my dad was on the verge of resignation due to pressure. (some personal reason was also involved). Job satisfaction is one of the lowest in banking sector. Increment in salary, more staff, and a better work culture can improve the situation.

Well this is not very encouraging for freshers. What do you guys suggest, should we not go for Bank PO exams then?

 

[skeletor]

Good and meaningful discussion actually. We don't delete these.

 

[dashing.sujay]

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Well this is not very encouraging for freshers. What do you guys suggest, should we not go for Bank PO exams then?

Well, I'd like to say one thing. No one today chooses a job/field on the basis of enthusiasm. Everybody does it due to state of compromise. If you're not willing to go to private sector, then banking sector is probably the easiest to crack IMO. The enrollments will last for an year or max two.

 

[whitestar_999]

for those still interested in bank PO jobs here is a link which provide an analysis about IBPS common PO exam results:
IBPS CWE PO/MT-II Interview result & banks Preference | strategies4competitions

 

[sam_738844]

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Well this is not very encouraging for freshers. What do you guys suggest, should we not go for Bank PO exams then?

There is always a part in every job which speaks for struggle...there are very few designations where freshers have joined...and climbed up the podium without breaking a sweat. Every field of expertise demands this...some areas are more stringent and keeps the pressure on you from the very first day, some are familiar with gradual increase of hardship.


IT for a start...has both the cultures...companies which are very restricted in Telecom/Service Provisioning and Mediation or Product/Billing are very particular about recruitment filters....they start to be significantly selective right from campus interviews , as many have already known to this fact...since they faced it, rejection panels, aptitude papers and online tests are tend to be running on a denying note rather than accepting...so Cracking these are challenges...and this continues even after joining in the initial training program. Also it varies greatly with the immediate requirement of the business unit or IDU which actually is responsible for the hiring. So its very normal that after joining these companies, freshers feel like kill zone, and its survival of the fittest...those who pass these ITP's ...stand very capable, confident and extremely skilled. There hardship ends right there when the get assigned to projects...

Companies who are based on outsourcing/consultancies or PS Projects/health Travel services (Accy,Wipro, TCS), they seek for more versatility and presence of mind rather than raw technical in their selection policies. They are lenient to an extent even in their training programs and also as a matter of fact (known to all) hire mass number of freshers...Because they make up in brute strength to beef up revenue and believe in "Horizontal" approach in their PDLC. ( Project Development Life Cycle). Hardship starts for freshers there when they pass out from training..and finds that the technology or domain of expertise they acquired in their training are completely or massively irrelevant and incompetent with the project or assignment they got taggged. like say a good C programmer gets into a Siebel project, a capable JAVA resource has to work in some Data Warehousing. so there struggle starts and even can last for years until and unless they find their weapon of choice. On the contrary....many remain stagnant in "Bench" or Resource Pool for long time finding nothing meaningful.

Banks and PO, my father 35 years in UBI, on the verge of retirement and with tired muscles and old bones, has to travel to another zilla to his office! and listen to daily abuse from rural customers....so lts one kind of struggle.

But just because there is struggle... doesn't mean that your life has began to end, no one's has....those IT freshers who spent sleepless nights just to pass an impossible test in training...and saw their fellow mates getting sacked before their own eyes...are now leading projects in international cities....

Those who struggled finding proper projects matching their skills...and thought wasted their half-life in bench have now become cross-skill experts, even mangers of two-three platforms and doing a simple MBA to become SPMs and directors...


He who has spent nights under a single roof in power cut with mosquitoes ..in a bank quarter..in some god-forsaken village...has become successful Father's...ran a family with pride for more than 3 decades and fulfilled the dreams of his son to become a successful man.

there are lot of things around you in this universe to get discouraged about, but funny thing is , we are into it, and its not ending so soon....so Find your encouragement...be a man.

 

[ratul]

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i too am in final sem of btech, and by reading the points described here, looks like i am the only one here who is not at all interested in Govt. jobs, living that tension free life or having that social status..
Many of my friends just crave over those IES officers and say "yaar batti waali gaadi chahiye, bas aur kuch nhi.. "
Me, i was interested in comps since i was in 3rd class, and till today, nothing has changed, i still want to do a job (and probably a business later if i can) in IT field only, nothing else interests me, wanna be a pentester and want to explore ethical hacking field for rest of my life..
Though some points here are now creating some confusion in my mind, seeing that most of IT professionals gets frustated by their jobs in 2-3yrs and switch to another field..

 

[sam_738844]

^^"Though some points here are now creating some confusion in my mind, seeing that most of IT professionals gets frustated by their jobs in 2-3yrs and switch to another field.. "

U are an IT security enthusiast...at least you should know that after CCDA, information security analysts and network designers spent almost half their lives in that field only...they may change employer but never the title. CISSP,CISA, CISM and he Certified Ethical Hacker (CEH) Program has no limits and bounds where a single individual can perform extraordinary tasks, earn in trillions and beyond all, has a chance to land a supreme Dignified Post serving his own country from cyber media and terrorist threats. These does not justify a short 2-3 years tenure. Even minor telecom vendors here in SEA like Axis has Network and Firewall security group consists employees with age group ranging from 24 to 50!

 

[ratul]

yes, but i still have NIL experience in professional aspects, i have no job experience, and i don't know the hardships that comes when you are working with an employer, i have just heard that life becomes hell once you are in professional world, everyone ready to backstab you, just wanting to be on the top by hook or by crook, and reading the posts here, i think most of the employees want to join govt. jobs just because of the reason that they have no tension like this there, either you want to work or not, it's upto you and no one can fire you for that...
Info. Security is a vast field in itself, and i agree with your point as most of the Security professionals i have read about, spends almost all their Professional lifetime under that title only..

 

[sam_738844]

"i have just heard that life becomes hell once you are in professional world, everyone ready to backstab you, just wanting to be on the top by hook or by crook, and reading the posts here, i think most of the employees want to join govt. jobs just because of the reason that they have no tension like this there, either you want to work or not, it's upto you and no one can fire you for that..."

I'm in IT, its not hell, I have friends in IT, in Mumbai, Blore, Pune, Hyd Malaysia. Sgpore, Indonesia who are in IT and they are laughing their socks off now watching movies at home together...we'll play online games after some time with "their" friends and friends of friends..who are also in IT....and we all are not living in Hell...yes are there lot many people out there who are not part of IT and living bette...but there are also people out there who are still in factory over watch, night staying for audit, supervising a grid failure or something which involves hardcore manual labor and in 45 degrees and 89% humidity...they are grumbling about hell.

 

[ratul]

haha, let's see what in there for me, it's still some months left for me to enjoy college life...

 

[nginx]

yes, but i still have NIL experience in professional aspects, i have no job experience, and i don't know the hardships that comes when you are working with an employer, i have just heard that life becomes hell once you are in professional world, everyone ready to backstab you, just wanting to be on the top by hook or by crook, and reading the posts here, i think most of the employees want to join govt. jobs just because of the reason that they have no tension like this there, either you want to work or not, it's upto you and no one can fire you for that...
Info. Security is a vast field in itself, and i agree with your point as most of the Security professionals i have read about, spends almost all their Professional lifetime under that title only..

Haven't you heard of corruption and backstabbing in govt jobs? There is no perfect job in this world buddy. Every job has challenges at this level. You are getting paid lots of money to take on certain responsibilities and risks. Why will they pay you 25-30k per month to do nothing? So don't think about all these aspects and go with what your heart desires. You will find a way to deal with all the backstabbing, we all do. Even in school days we used to have bullies and abusive kids but we got through all that didn't we?

As freshers, we have to be willing to work hard and take up challenges. There is no better time for it than now because you don't have a family to support, kids to feed and educate. You can afford to quit a job if you don't like it because you know your parents will look after you in the meantime. You won't always have this luxury. As you get older, your responsibilities will increase, your freedom will decrease, you will have to think twice about quitting your job.

 

[ratul]

Haven't you heard of corruption and backstabbing in govt jobs? There is no perfect job in this world buddy. Every job has challenges at this level. You are getting paid lots of money to take on certain responsibilities and risks. Why will they pay you 25-30k per month to do nothing? So don't think about all these aspects and go with what your heart desires. You will find a way to deal with all the backstabbing, we all do. Even in school days we used to have bullies and abusive kids but we got through all that didn't we?

As freshers, we have to be willing to work hard and take up challenges. This is no better time for it than now because you don't have a family to support, kids to feed and educate. You can afford to quit a job if you don't like it because you know your parents will look after you in the meantime. You won't always have this luxury. As you get older, your responsibilities will increase, your freedom will decrease, you will have to think twice about quitting your job.

this thing forced me to postpone my marriage to my late 20's, hehe..

 

[whitestar_999]

^^if you have passion for information security then go for it but let me tell you one thing about govt jobs.yes in many govt jobs you have to work but if average for a year is considered the % of hard working govt jobs is much less compared to pvt sector.now about backstabbing yes it exists in govt jobs but it is a matter of concern only if you are in some serious bribe taking(not sharing with your colleagues/snatching their opportunities to take bribe/offended some old timer) but if you are only interested in official salary,perks & some reasonable extra income then you are pretty much safe.only thing you should keep in mind is that you don't always get what you want & many times you have to make compromises.it is entirely possible that even with passion you will not make it big in information security while even without passion you will lead a very comfortable life in a govt job so question is this:would you ever regret joining IT if you fail to achieve what you dreamt of?if yes then probably IT is not for you,if no then you are made for IT sector.

 

[nginx]

this thing forced me to postpone my marriage to my late 20's, hehe..

Don't wait that long dude, you are getting old and rickety

^^if you have passion for information security then go for it but let me tell you one thing about govt jobs.yes in many govt jobs you have to work but if average for a year is considered the % of hard working govt jobs is much less compared to pvt sector.now about backstabbing yes it exists in govt jobs but it is a matter of concern only if you are in some serious bribe taking(not sharing with your colleagues/snatching their opportunities to take bribe/offended some old timer) but if you are only interested in official salary,perks & some reasonable extra income then you are pretty much safe.only thing you should keep in mind is that you don't always get what you want & many times you have to make compromises.it is entirely possible that even with passion you will not make it big in information security while even without passion you will lead a very comfortable life in a govt job so question is this:would you ever regret joining IT if you fail to achieve what you dreamt of?if yes then probably IT is not for you,if no then you are made for IT sector.

I think new college passouts should follow their heart regarding what kind of career they want to pursue. If you give up even before your career has begun, what's the point of having dreams? Yes its possible you might not succeed but as they say no risk, no gain....