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lol .. that is insane
i can't understand anything ... !
i can't understand anything ... !
Windows is !easy, Linux is !hard
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infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
But someone here said .exe s are easiest to install. Nobody meantioned MSIgx_saurav said:
Agree with this point of yoursgx_saurav said:
Apart from the name of the program, what other info does it provide?gx_saurav said:
If you ask me, a person who's used MS OS since the dayz of DOS 5.0 and who knows batch programming, I'd say Windows CLI is the easiest! But when it comes to control and power windows/dos cli stands no where near OSS shells.gx_saurav said:
Get over the misconception that the target audience of Linux are only low end hardware users.gx_saurav said:
What percentage of windows apps are .net based as of today????gx_saurav said:
This is really a good feature incorporated into the .net platform.gx_saurav said:
And you were suggesting in the first line that .exe s are NOT the preferred way to install apps!!gx_saurav said:
I support GX regarding this. Many of the points mentioned by you two were invalid, in my opinion.gx_saurav said:
You are running a windows system which needs an over-alert user to:gx_saurav said:
1) not install active-x controls
2) carefully click each link
3) monitor every in-coming and out-going file
4) double checking all registry imports
5) and I guess many more such precautions...
Definitely +1 for windows method!gx_saurav said:
Oh, how much did you buy this for!??gx_saurav said:
Exactly! Don't complain that Mac OS X/GNU/Linux is NOT like Windows!!! Coz Windows way is made for Windows, things are different in other OS! Get used to it and stop complaining!gx_saurav said:
Then plz stop saying that "certain" Linux distros don't provide mp3 support out of the box, while an equal number of distros DO provide it!gx_saurav said:
As you guys always say, isn't it all about the customer? The end user wants his mp3s to play out of the box in Linux, which don't; the end user also wants his divx movies/real media files to play out of the box, which don't! So isn't it the fault of GNU/Linux and Windows, both?
This is the whole point; that you require all these in a Windows system!!gx_saurav said:
Man, you are one funny guy!!gx_saurav said:
I mean.. lolz.. no comments!!! (except the third point, which is valid!)Very valid point about Mac OS X.gx_saurav said:
Do you want me to remind you about "your thread"??gx_saurav said:
Very logical and valid pointgx_saurav said:
This is purely your opinion while I'm happy with Debian base. It gives me everything I need. Never caused a problemgx_saurav said:
Plz do not say this anywhere else!! If you say that Ubuntu doesn't come with F-spot photo manager,gthumb image viewer,Xsane image scanner,and of course the all powerful gimp, people will ridicule you, mock you and what not!!gx_saurav said:
Coz you had to learn Windows too before you first used it. I'm sure you were not give "Windowopdesh" just after you were born!gx_saurav said:
Seriously, you don't need to learn (or unlearn). I don't understand what you are talking about! I don't understand even Prakash. What do we need to learn????? Isn't it just that all the things are there .. but under different menus!
Valid pointgx_saurav said:
And everyone knows who is to blame for no drivers!Paint.net and GIMP are more than sufficient even for quite an advanced use. No use digging the file delete bug. Its already been patched. No OS is perfect. Some problems like these do crop up.mediator said:
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infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
^^^ Yeah Ashwin, while I agree to the fact that OS X can be customized; the degree of customization is not as much as in other OS. That was my point
mediator
Technomancer
I know its already been patched. So much for the excellent coding practices from MS on even the simplest of the concepts!! I dunno how can any one throw 5000+ bucks on such a piece of junk filled with incompatibilities of various kinds and do extra homework (patching the delete problem) to do basic stuff! I guess *learning* perl wud be better than repairing the "new" OS like that on each n every reinstall.
WTH, 5000+ bucks and max. of 10 activations! MS is mocking its users and MVPs aggressively!
WTH, 5000+ bucks and max. of 10 activations! MS is mocking its users and MVPs aggressively!
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
pathiks said:^^ Oh F**k.. GX back in full form. bohot dino baad itna bada post dekha..
Lolz...after that reply I went to sleep & had to turn off my phone. Damn.....I guess it's time for me to turn off my phone. There always someone wants to talk
...damn, too many galsYeah, u r right. MS Photo Gallery in Vista is something u never saw, right? I do agree & hate MS for not bundling Paint.net in Vista
This is not the thread to talk about Windows inbuilt features & Out of the box experience. This is about installation method in Windows & Linux. Stick to this only
OMG...& still he forgot to install the optional updates for Windows....hard to believe.
\blah blah blah...
If this is what he meant, then have a look at Windows Market place.
Cyrus, my dear 13 yeas old boy, do u need a crash course in manners? Can't u type properly...?
Lolz...u r saying this? Plz refer to the blah blah blah I posted above. I don't care who the admin is & how much experience he has. If he forgot to install optional updates in Windows Update in Windows XP then it is his fault & flaw.
He owns a legal copy of XP & Vista
U R pointing to iMav, mind having a look at your own blah blah blah post above
That's because MSI is engine, u can make a Windows Installer inside a exe too. Have a look at quicktime installer for Windows. It's an exe with MSI installer inside.
Vista has a feature of tags in apps. They can show some info about the apps in Add/Remove program
How would I know
Comon dude, u know what I use here. Windows Firewall & Ad muncher...malicious links are automatically removed. No active X installs automatically due to ad muncher & IE 7. I don't usually import registry keys....
Oh, how much did you buy this for!??
धन माया है, सब मिथ्या है
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
You boast too much!gx_saurav said:Lolz...after that reply I went to sleep & had to turn off my phone. Damn.....I guess it's time for me to turn off my phone. There always someone wants to talk
Even me! Its time MS incorporated Paint.net in Windows.gx_saurav said:
gx_saurav said:
Where does the thread title say: This is about installation method in Windows & Linux?Thread Title said:
To haf a list of the apps and their info I need to log on to Windows Market Place??gx_saurav said:
No need to clarify that!gx_saurav said:
Yep, my bad. I overlooked thisgx_saurav said:
And we all know how much info it shows...gx_saurav said:
But you just made a claim regarding .net apps and their ease of use, their "runtime compilation" etc.gx_saurav said:How would I know
What about file virus'? Don't you keep a tab on incoming and outgoing files? Don't temme you don't! Windows Firewall and Ad Muncher don't do this!gx_saurav said:
This is exactly what I've said!!!gx_saurav said:
I got your answer!gx_saurav said:धन माया है, सब मिथ्या है
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
infra_red_dude said:You boast too much!
Lolz...dude, to hell with gals...I need my 8 hrs sleep. It's cold here these days & I don't feel like coming out of the blanket in the morning.
To haf a list of the apps and their info I need to log on to Windows Market Place??
Nope, have a look yourself.
Virii are usually in the form of com & exe. I only download these from some sources & don't run every exe I can find. I can have comodo firewall which automatically block any system intrusion like registry modification.
Seems like gauram & cyrus are typing a big post too...
. Post boys, I m off to studiesAww....comon boys, i m getting sleepy, Post fast
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infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
Remember the Orkut virus and that mspowerpoint.exe etc., which spread thru flash drives and you can't do anything about it??!!gx_saurav said:
MetalheadGautham
AFK
I see that saurav has used my time away studying very well... I might get a bit philosophical near the end
1. The MSI and EXE issue
the reason linux way is secure is because while in both cases downloads are made by sensible people only from valid sources, in windows a virus can easily modify/attack files, which can't happen in linux, as most actions are permission driven. And yes, you do get lots of deb packages for use offline, but the reason they are not popular is because linux literally grew online, so everyone is assumed to have internet.
2. saurav's point on running linux on powerful computers
hopeless bull$hit. linux can do lots of stuff. ever heard of MEncoder? It works awssomely. So does FFMPEG. they run at beautiful speeds on linux, so its the best solution for media file conversions. commands can be directly done in the terminal to convert files. you also have powerful GUIs for the same. You have GIMP, one of the best of its kind, in linux. with gnome made from GTK, gimp intergrates very well into ubuntu, debian, etc and is awssome for image editing. Audacity is a good audio manipulation program. MythTV predates and outperforms Windows Media Center. LAMP servers have long proved their reliability.
3. saurav's point on windows allowing more control over installs
yes, I agree that it is easier to do that in windows, but it does not mean that its impossible in linux. you only need to be experienced enough to do that. Ofcource, changing the location of the home folder is also easily possible. and its all for a reason. for an average user, in windows, you need to place the same files in many programs(ex: lame, etc) you can also loose track of programs. this is the only reason that big good programs have centralised locations in linux. but you still have/can compile apps which work from a single directory which can be shifted. but this is not a feature many have asked for, hence its not simplified. and you forget that all can be done via commandline. Linux is still evolving, so these things may take some more time.
4. saurav's point of asking me to study windows for dummies
I struggled with windows for years together, so I know lots about it. but now I have had enough of it. I instead, went and studied linux for dummies, and beleive me, it might just help you.
5. saurav's claim of the superiority of the several paid windows apps
there again, they were not made by MS. you still had to cough up for them. And it is already being proved that many applications perform better on linux compared to windows. so it won't be long before companies start developing apps for linux as well. Just like how microsoft said that apps needed to be developed for vista and .net need to be started to put to wide use, the same also applies for linux, does it not?
6. saurav's rant of MSI in exe and all that
ever heard of .bin files in linux? linux has so many options, but it all depends on what people choose to give. If I am a developer, I would only provide my softy in the way I wish to provide, etc etc. once again, linux for dummies anybody?
7. saurav's point that commandline in windows is virtually non-existant
its the main reason why windows to linux migrators find linux difficult. DOS had a very good commandline at its golden age. If they had evolved it to today, I am sure windows would have been much better.
8. saurav's question as to why exe is not secure
viruses. all due to the basic fact that the OS structure in UNIXes is better than windows. Sorry, but I think windows has a huge refining left.
9. saurav's question of which apps don't have exes
some have MSIs. some batch files. some like lame, officitally come only in sources. besides, the whole point is this: it was a bad idea to use executable files for every single thing in windows. this is why viruses are so rampant in windows.
10. saurav's rants of paint.net
bhool gaya hai kyon ye insan, ki paint.net OSS hai, aur windows main ache se paint software ki kami hi use paida kiya.
Paint.net would never have been made if something like the gimp was available by default on windows. Its brilliant software, but it does not fit into your arguement of MS being superior to OSS.
11. saurav's excuse for not being able to choose a distro
did you know that you can mix features in distros? you can install yum in ubuntu too for example. besides, this is the preavailable stuff, and you can use them to make your own Saurav Linux that keeps you happy. Linux is all about free resources and DIY. You can even ask for advice from anyone who knows if you want to choose a distro. its not something difficult, even for fools(who btw, are not welcome in linux. sorry, but natural selection holds good here)
12. windows marketplace
another bull$hit. you have got many things, but most paid. besides, the way they arrange stuff, all costly M$ software come first. they even try to avoid softys like OpenOffice.org(didn't find it in search) which compete with their paidware. You can't even find vlc. quite difficult to use. no offline database. big BOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
13. saurav's question as to why should we turn to GIMP for simple tasks
learning a complex software like the gimp is not an easy task. You learn them by going form the basics. If you use the GIMP for basic needs, you will slowly start to discover its full usage and this skill can be very valuable later. It has the same value .net programming or QT programming has. So whats happening is GOOD.
14. anything I forgot to mention
remind me, and I will be all over it.
Concluding Remarks:
In the competitive world today, the reason why enlightened people will choose linux is because of one simple fact. when two similar products have a huge price difference, the only reason anyone will profit from the costlier is that it may have something superior enough to cover that cost gap. I pointed out to ye in a most concise manner that linux better than or as good as windows.
A true comparison of the two for the title of this thread can only be done by taking a pair of identical twins raised identically and with similar intellectual and characteristic traits that follow the standard set quite closely, and asking them, each aged 11, to learn an OS after giving them nessary knowledge about computers. One Vista and the other Ubuntu 7.10. Wait for the end result then talk.
@The Reader:
I read all the posts saurav was making while I was typing this(2 of them). I tried to deal all the stuff which saurav asked. I wasted lot of time here. I am thinking of injecting gaterite in my fingures; they hurt from fatigue. Point out any thing if you want clarifications. I may soon doze off.
1. The MSI and EXE issue
the reason linux way is secure is because while in both cases downloads are made by sensible people only from valid sources, in windows a virus can easily modify/attack files, which can't happen in linux, as most actions are permission driven. And yes, you do get lots of deb packages for use offline, but the reason they are not popular is because linux literally grew online, so everyone is assumed to have internet.
2. saurav's point on running linux on powerful computers
hopeless bull$hit. linux can do lots of stuff. ever heard of MEncoder? It works awssomely. So does FFMPEG. they run at beautiful speeds on linux, so its the best solution for media file conversions. commands can be directly done in the terminal to convert files. you also have powerful GUIs for the same. You have GIMP, one of the best of its kind, in linux. with gnome made from GTK, gimp intergrates very well into ubuntu, debian, etc and is awssome for image editing. Audacity is a good audio manipulation program. MythTV predates and outperforms Windows Media Center. LAMP servers have long proved their reliability.
3. saurav's point on windows allowing more control over installs
yes, I agree that it is easier to do that in windows, but it does not mean that its impossible in linux. you only need to be experienced enough to do that. Ofcource, changing the location of the home folder is also easily possible. and its all for a reason. for an average user, in windows, you need to place the same files in many programs(ex: lame, etc) you can also loose track of programs. this is the only reason that big good programs have centralised locations in linux. but you still have/can compile apps which work from a single directory which can be shifted. but this is not a feature many have asked for, hence its not simplified. and you forget that all can be done via commandline. Linux is still evolving, so these things may take some more time.
4. saurav's point of asking me to study windows for dummies
I struggled with windows for years together, so I know lots about it. but now I have had enough of it. I instead, went and studied linux for dummies, and beleive me, it might just help you.
5. saurav's claim of the superiority of the several paid windows apps
there again, they were not made by MS. you still had to cough up for them. And it is already being proved that many applications perform better on linux compared to windows. so it won't be long before companies start developing apps for linux as well. Just like how microsoft said that apps needed to be developed for vista and .net need to be started to put to wide use, the same also applies for linux, does it not?
6. saurav's rant of MSI in exe and all that
ever heard of .bin files in linux? linux has so many options, but it all depends on what people choose to give. If I am a developer, I would only provide my softy in the way I wish to provide, etc etc. once again, linux for dummies anybody?
7. saurav's point that commandline in windows is virtually non-existant
its the main reason why windows to linux migrators find linux difficult. DOS had a very good commandline at its golden age. If they had evolved it to today, I am sure windows would have been much better.
8. saurav's question as to why exe is not secure
viruses. all due to the basic fact that the OS structure in UNIXes is better than windows. Sorry, but I think windows has a huge refining left.
9. saurav's question of which apps don't have exes
some have MSIs. some batch files. some like lame, officitally come only in sources. besides, the whole point is this: it was a bad idea to use executable files for every single thing in windows. this is why viruses are so rampant in windows.
10. saurav's rants of paint.net
bhool gaya hai kyon ye insan, ki paint.net OSS hai, aur windows main ache se paint software ki kami hi use paida kiya.
Paint.net would never have been made if something like the gimp was available by default on windows. Its brilliant software, but it does not fit into your arguement of MS being superior to OSS.
11. saurav's excuse for not being able to choose a distro
did you know that you can mix features in distros? you can install yum in ubuntu too for example. besides, this is the preavailable stuff, and you can use them to make your own Saurav Linux that keeps you happy. Linux is all about free resources and DIY. You can even ask for advice from anyone who knows if you want to choose a distro. its not something difficult, even for fools(who btw, are not welcome in linux. sorry, but natural selection holds good here)
12. windows marketplace
another bull$hit. you have got many things, but most paid. besides, the way they arrange stuff, all costly M$ software come first. they even try to avoid softys like OpenOffice.org(didn't find it in search) which compete with their paidware. You can't even find vlc. quite difficult to use. no offline database. big BOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
13. saurav's question as to why should we turn to GIMP for simple tasks
learning a complex software like the gimp is not an easy task. You learn them by going form the basics. If you use the GIMP for basic needs, you will slowly start to discover its full usage and this skill can be very valuable later. It has the same value .net programming or QT programming has. So whats happening is GOOD.
14. anything I forgot to mention
remind me, and I will be all over it.
Concluding Remarks:
In the competitive world today, the reason why enlightened people will choose linux is because of one simple fact. when two similar products have a huge price difference, the only reason anyone will profit from the costlier is that it may have something superior enough to cover that cost gap. I pointed out to ye in a most concise manner that linux better than or as good as windows.
A true comparison of the two for the title of this thread can only be done by taking a pair of identical twins raised identically and with similar intellectual and characteristic traits that follow the standard set quite closely, and asking them, each aged 11, to learn an OS after giving them nessary knowledge about computers. One Vista and the other Ubuntu 7.10. Wait for the end result then talk.
@The Reader:
I read all the posts saurav was making while I was typing this(2 of them). I tried to deal all the stuff which saurav asked. I wasted lot of time here. I am thinking of injecting gaterite in my fingures; they hurt from fatigue. Point out any thing if you want clarifications. I may soon doze off.
HOLY $HIT! ITS TIME ALREADY?
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
Concealed Anti-Virus, perhapsgx_saurav said:
But seriously, no firewall/defender will catch this thing and it doesn't even need you to double click on anything!!! Lets be fair on this....
@Gautham
Many points haf been nicely reasoned by you
BTW, Don't waste time. Go study and/or sleep. These threads are a daily affair here Whenever we get bored doing some monotonous job (like I'm doing these dayz), we just start threads like these for TP
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MetalheadGautham
AFK
sometimes luck is a factor hereinfra_red_dude said:Concealed Anti-Virus, perhaps
But seriously, no firewall/defender will catch this thing and it doesn't even need you to double click on anything!!! Lets be fair on this....
PS: any comments on my big post?
MetalheadGautham
AFK
thats the reason I enjoy these threads. I am a debator, both by nature and by skill. so I get lots of TP and practice with these. I am just trying to pass time till 2am when I need to start some downloads.infra_red_dude said:Concealed Anti-Virus, perhaps
But seriously, no firewall/defender will catch this thing and it doesn't even need you to double click on anything!!! Lets be fair on this....
@Gautham
Many points haf been nicely reasoned by you
infra_red_dude said:Concealed Anti-Virus, perhaps
But seriously, no firewall/defender will catch this thing and it doesn't even need you to double click on anything!!! Lets be fair on this....
@Gautham
Many points haf been nicely reasoned by you
my fren(played unsafe without antivirus/antispyware) was like that and one day when he installed antispyware just to check..lol..wth i never knew.
infra_red_dude
Wire muncher!
Not much, just the post above. Coz as I've said you've nicely reasoned many pointsMetalheadGautham said:PS: any comments on my big post?
Oh yes, but one advise tho: If you are posting all this at the expense of your studies (since you are in Bangalore, I assume your exams are around) then plz go back to study. As I said we just do this to pep ourselves and for some TP
MetalheadGautham
AFK
at the expence of my study? hell. I finished all my stuff during the day. the examinations are also over. I am a free bird for a few daysinfra_red_dude said:Not much, just the post above. Coz as I've said you've nicely reasoned many points
Oh yes, but one advise tho: If you are posting all this at the expense of your studies (since you are in Bangalore, I assume your exams are around) then plz go back to study. As I said we just do this to pep ourselves and for some TP
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