Windows is !easy, Linux is !hard

[drgrudge]

MetalheadGautham -
I like the way you post! Very colorful, but you might want to change the font color, not easy on the eyes.

Why wait till 2 AM when you can schedule your torrent client?

 

[MetalheadGautham]

MetalheadGautham -
I like the way you post! Very colorful, but you might want to change the font color, not easy on the eyes.

Why wait till 2 AM when you can schedule your torrent client?

because I am ignorant of a flashget equivalent for ubuntu. I know that something with ftp, http, ed2k, rstp, mms, BT, gnutella support exists with download sheduling, but forgot the name.

edit: I was looking for arguements about what I posted, not a critique on the posting style... guess I goofed up again. forgot that iMav and gx_saurav are offline. life is boring without them in this forum

 

[gxsaurav]

in windows a virus can easily modify/attack files, which can't happen in linux, as most actions are permission driven.

Welcome to 2007, the year of Windows Vista with locked & unmodifiable system files in the system folder which a general user cannot modify & neither can a virus without giving a UAC prompt at the least. A Virus exe cannot modify an exe in c:\Windows folder if the user is a standard uSer.

ever heard of MEncoder? It works awssomely. So does FFMPEG. they run at beautiful speeds on linux, so its the best solution for media file conversions.

Ever heard of Riverpast, xilisoft...what not.

commands can be directly done in the terminal to convert files. you also have powerful GUIs for the same.

Ok, I prefer GUI of Windows. So why look further to learn a command?

You have GIMP, one of the best of its kind, in linux. with gnome made from GTK, gimp intergrates very well into ubuntu, debian, etc and is awssome for image editing.

Puhleeeezzzz....compared that to Paint.net only.

MythTV predates and outperforms Windows Media Center.

OMG...rofl....lolz...have u ever used Media Center in USA where it actually works with full features . In India all u can do is watch & record cable TV. For that even MythTV is enough....provided it works with your tuner card like in my case I cannot watch TV in Linux.

you only need to be experienced enough to do that.

That's teh point. No such experience required in case of Windows which makes it easier to do.

in windows, you need to place the same files in many programs(ex: lame, etc) you can also loose track of programs.

What? Just copy Lame DLLs to system32 folder & be done with it.

this is the only reason that big good programs have centralised locations in linux.

In Windows Vista

Installation folder = C:\Program files
Common Files among many apps C:\program files\common files\
Shared DLL's among many apps = C:\Windows\system32\
Single place for the settings of all apps = C:\Users\Appdata.

So how is Linux better? Isn't it somewhat same like Windows.

and you forget that all can be done via commandline. Linux is still evolving, so these things may take some more time.

Again, did u forget that command line is also there in Windows. Ever tried Windows PowerShell?

I struggled with windows for years together, so I know lots about it. but now I have had enough of it. I instead, went and studied linux for dummies, and beleive me, it might just help you.

I wonder, I learned about Windows, did a job in Convergys in Vista support team, yet I never had to struggle in Windows...other then in 2002 when I got my PC, before that I was a Macintosh OS 9 user. Today I don't want to learn an OS, I want to work on it & design stuff. Linux can't help me in doing that...Period.

And it is already being proved that many applications perform better on linux compared to windows

Lolz..don't get me started on this plz....Who proved apps work better in Linux , was it U?

Just like how microsoft said that apps needed to be developed for vista and .net need to be started to put to wide use, the same also applies for linux, does it not?

Lolz...Photoshop is not made in .net, 3Ds Max is no made in .net....still they beat the hell out of any comparable Linux apps. Need I say more.

ever heard of .bin files in linux? linux has so many options, but it all depends on what people choose to give.

Ever heard of NSIS, InstallAnywhere, Wise Installer, No installer (like Winamp). Windows has so many options.

viruses. all due to the basic fact that the OS structure in UNIXes is better than windows. Sorry, but I think windows has a huge refining left.

Locked system files & UAC in Vista, they don't let any unknown exe run. hack even XP warns before running an unknown exe.

it was a bad idea to use executable files for every single thing in windows.

It's called unification & ease of use for teh developer, learn about this.

some like lame, officitally come only in sources

Ever tried to download official LAME dll?

another bull$hit. you have got many things, but most paid.

Somebody needs to click on "Search freeware" checkbox

learning a complex software like the gimp is not an easy task. You learn them by going form the basics. If you use the GIMP for basic needs, you will slowly start to discover its full usage and this skill can be very valuable later.

Yeah, u r right. Hey I don't have time to learn right now, maybe later. i need to mail my GF the pics I took of her & me in Lucknow mahotsav today, so...c ya, u go & learn GIMP while I will go & resize & colour correct them in ACDSee without learning.

Concealed Anti-Virus, perhaps

But seriously, no firewall/defender will catch this thing and it doesn't even need you to double click on anything!!! Lets be fair on this....

Trust me, no AV here.

 

[Faun]

because I am ignorant of a flashget equivalent for ubuntu. I know that something with ftp, http, ed2k, rstp, mms, BT, gnutella support exists with download sheduling, but forgot the name.

ktorrent

Hav nice scheduling bricks.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Welcome to 2007, the year of Windows Vista with locked & unmodifiable system files in the system folder which a general user cannot modify & neither can a virus without giving a UAC prompt at the least. A Virus exe cannot modify an exe in c:\Windows folder if the user is a standard uSer.

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Ever heard of Riverpast, xilisoft...what not.



Ok, I prefer GUI of Windows. So why look further to learn a command?



Puhleeeezzzz....compared that to Paint.net only.



OMG...rofl....lolz...have u ever used Media Center in USA where it actually works with full features . In India all u can do is watch & record cable TV. For that even MythTV is enough....provided it works with your tuner card like in my case I cannot watch TV in Linux.



That's teh point. No such experience required in case of Windows which makes it easier to do.



What? Just copy Lame DLLs to system32 folder & be done with it.


In Windows Vista

Installation folder = C:\Program files
Common Files among many apps C:\program files\common files\
Shared DLL's among many apps = C:\Windows\system32\
Single place for the settings of all apps = C:\Users\Appdata.

So how is Linux better? Isn't it somewhat same like Windows.



Again, did u forget that command line is also there in Windows. Ever tried Windows PowerShell?



I wonder, I learned about Windows, did a job in Convergys in Vista support team, yet I never had to struggle in Windows...other then in 2002 when I got my PC, before that I was a Macintosh OS 9 user. Today I don't want to learn an OS, I want to work on it & design stuff. Linux can't help me in doing that...Period.



Lolz..don't get me started on this plz....Who proved apps work better in Linux , was it U?



Lolz...Photoshop is not made in .net, 3Ds Max is no made in .net....still they beat the hell out of any comparable Linux apps. Need I say more.



Ever heard of NSIS, InstallAnywhere, Wise Installer, No installer (like Winamp). Windows has so many options.



Locked system files & UAC in Vista, they don't let any unknown exe run. hack even XP warns before running an unknown exe.



It's called unification & ease of use for teh developer, learn about this.



Ever tried to download official LAME dll?



Somebody needs to click on "Search freeware" checkbox



Yeah, u r right. Hey I don't have time to learn right now, maybe later. i need to mail my GF the pics I took of her & me in Lucknow mahotsav today, so...c ya, u go & learn GIMP while I will go & resize & colour correct them in ACDSee without learning.



Trust me, no AV here.

conclution: gx_saurav can't live without windows. His job is dependent on it. He knows only windows stuff. so I decided to let him enjoy his life while I enjoy mine, which he fails to realise the joy of, and I too fail to realise what he likes in windows.

man, keep that up and I can't keep my ****ing cool. I will let cyrus, prakash, etc talk to you. the same topic repeated 10 times. this is getting bull$hittier by time...

how about a thred discussing the concequences of windows becoming OSS?

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

man, keep that up and I can't keep my ****ing cool. I will let cyrus, prakash, etc talk to you. the same topic repeated 10 times. this is getting bull$hittier by time...

Nope, I've given up trying to put the same sense repeatedly into these 2 heads sealed forever with a windows lock screen

 

[MetalheadGautham]

then lets move to my new hypothetical issue discussing thread

 

[gxsaurav]

conclution: gx_saurav can't live without windows. His job is dependent on it. He knows only windows stuff.

Well yeah. Do U have 3ds Max, Photoshop, ACDSee, Yahoo messenger & Windows Live messenger, Outlook 2007 & Word 2007, AutoCAD 2008, After effect CS3, Premiere CS3, Lightroom (ok this is for Mac only, not required in Windows), MyPhoneExplorer, Windows Live Mail desktop, WMP11 on Linux? I guess the answer is no...so yeah, my job is dependent on it.

so I decided to let him enjoy his life while I enjoy mine, which he fails to realise the joy of, and I too fail to realise what he likes in windows.

Lolz...seriously dude, don't ask about my life...peeps already know. Hey, who started this thread as a rant & who followed him?

man, keep that up and I can't keep my ****ing cool. I will let cyrus, prakash, etc talk to you. the same topic repeated 10 times. this is getting bull$hittier by time...

I kno I know, even I m bored kicking the arse of ignorant fanboys who need to read, "Windows OS for dummies"

 

[Faun]

* for dummies are the crappiest books ever.

Well yeah. Do U have 3ds Max, Photoshop, ACDSee, Yahoo messenger & Windows Live messenger, Outlook 2007 & Word 2007, AutoCAD 2008, After effect CS3, Premiere CS3, Lightroom (ok this is for Mac only, not required in Windows), MyPhoneExplorer, Windows Live Mail desktop, WMP11 on Linux? I guess the answer is no...so yeah, my job is dependent on it.

nice collection... u must be uber rich

 

[FilledVoid]

Just to clear one thing. UAC isn't exactly foolproof. I posted a link about this on another thread I recall. If i recall correctly A sacrifice for convenience has been made for the benefit of the consumer. However I'm not sure if any updates were introduced recently or in beta SP1 to correct the issue.

 

[iMav]

@metalhead: we have 1 thing in common - the reason why we post in these threads

and whr is cyrus i called gx to answer the questions u asked some 1 else ab tu khudd bhag gaya

 

[Faun]

k i just realized what that ! before easy and hard means.

! is NOT in programming sense. Didnt notice it earlier.

 

[iMav]

The second wrong makes u feel right

 

[Faun]

The second wrong makes u feel right

u doubt it ?

 

[infra_red_dude]

Welcome to 2007, the year of Windows Vista with locked & unmodifiable system files in the system folder which a general user cannot modify & neither can a virus without giving a UAC prompt at the least. A Virus exe cannot modify an exe in c:\Windows folder if the user is a standard uSer.

Plz spare the jokes for some other time! We'll listen to those jokes when we really wanna be pepped up!

Ever heard of Riverpast, xilisoft...what not.

Yep, the same kinda software's available for OSS too, which he listed. So whats the point?

Ok, I prefer GUI of Windows. So why look further to learn a command?

Nobody's forcing you. You haf GUI for almost everything.

OMG...rofl....lolz...have u ever used Media Center in USA

No sir, I can't buy return tickets to US just to "use Media Center in USA"!!! Heck, the US Consulate will decline my Visa request if I give them this reason! Talk sense, buddy!

That's teh point. No such experience required in case of Windows which makes it easier to do.

As I said, its not that Windows knowledge has been given to you by God when you were born!!!!

What? Just copy Lame DLLs to system32 folder & be done with it.

Correct.

Isn't it somewhat same like Windows.

No where close!!!

Again, did u forget that command line is also there in Windows. Ever tried Windows PowerShell?

Its NOT there, you need to download it!!! And someone was cribbing about "downloading and instaling stuff"

I wonder, I learned about Windows, did a job in Convergys in Vista support team, yet I never had to struggle in Windows...

Yep see, everyone has to learn! Its not God sent. So if you need to learn something new, its not bad right?

...other then in 2002 when I got my PC, before that I was a Macintosh OS 9 user.

(Sorry pal, I laugh too much!!! )

Today I don't want to learn an OS, I want to work on it & design stuff. Linux can't help me in doing that...Period.

Its like saying, I only know how to ride a bike. I wanna cruise on road but I don't wanna learn how to drive a car. So a car is useless for me!!!!

Moral of the story: Stick with your bike and don't discourage those who wanna use a car

Lolz...Photoshop is not made in .net, 3Ds Max is no made in .net....still they beat the hell out of any comparable Linux apps. Need I say more.

Someone was singing praises about .net, its features, superiority and when I asked how many .net apps are on the "prowl", you said: How do I know??

And its perfectly correct that OSS lacks software like Photoshop, 3DS Max, AutoCAD etc.

Ever heard of NSIS, InstallAnywhere, Wise Installer, No installer (like Winamp). Windows has so many options.

I didn't get the point. Both OS' haf many install options. So what? The Mac wins here!! Only single .dmg file.

Locked system files & UAC in Vista, they don't let any unknown exe run. hack even XP warns before running an unknown exe.

Yaar, I said plz don't let your jokes out. We'll listen to them when the right time comes. Warna joke ka mazaa chala jaata hai!

Yeah, u r right. Hey I don't have time to learn right now, maybe later. i need to mail my GF the pics I took of her & me in Lucknow mahotsav today, so...c ya, u go & learn GIMP while I will go & resize & colour correct them in ACDSee without learning.

Some needs to cut down on boasting. Jus saying "I gotta edit the clicked pics would've been sufficient! " (NOTE: Plz take it lightly, no offence meant!)

How can you compare GIMP and ACDSee? BTW, you still did not temme how much that "maya" of yours costs??!

Trust me, no AV here.

You are one lucky guy!

Well yeah. Do U have 3ds Max, Photoshop, ACDSee, Yahoo messenger & Windows Live messenger, Outlook 2007 & Word 2007, AutoCAD 2008, After effect CS3, Premiere CS3, Lightroom (ok this is for Mac only, not required in Windows), MyPhoneExplorer, Windows Live Mail desktop, WMP11 on Linux? I guess the answer is no...so yeah, my job is dependent on it.

My goodness! You are the richest brat around!! I cudn't even think of affording all those software!

Sorry for rekindling the thread guys, was getting a bit bored Gotta rush now... Continue your discussions

 

[Tech_Wiz]

I was just away for 13-14 hours and this thread went 3 pages ahead lolz

I dont know What I was going to reply

Time to read 3 pages..lemme check.. y popcorn ready

 

[gxsaurav]

@ Infra...

That reply wsa not for u, so u answered wrong

 

[Tech_Wiz]

Just Like to add something here. Its true that Windows with Internet connection Comp mainly needs AV, Firewall, AntiSpyware. It truth. Also most advanced softwares in windows cost $$.

But there many good free AVs [AntiVir, AVG] Firewalls [Komodo, ZA], Freewares for Antispyware available so they cost nothing. Also some free softwares like Irfan View are more than enough for a usual guy. [Gimp and Photoshop are way better but average guy never uses there potential to even 5%]

Free Office Suites and all also available for Windows and are easier to install. [Free software concept and its development owe a lot to Linux] GIMP, OpenOffice etc all are available to WIndows Platform too.

So all it comes down to for an average user for general purpose things is

1. Ease of Use
2. Ease of Installation of OS
3. Ease of adding removing softwares
4. Driver Support
5. Games [Yes this is a important aspect which cant be ignored]
6. Number of Free / Paid sofwares available wrt there purpose of use.
7. Availability of local support [Aska friend / Dealer / Some local techie]
8. Audio / Video Files playing.
9. Internet Browsing, Chat

Use of Shell, Security issues of installers and other stuff is for geeks interest and in my opinion an average guy doesnt bother abt them.

So the discussion is directed to above points then I feel it makes more justice to topic.

 

[gxsaurav]

Just Like to add something here. Its true that Windows with Internet connection Comp mainly needs AV, Firewall, AntiSpyware. It truth.

Nope, it depends on how u use windows.

1. Ease of Use
2. Ease of Installation of OS
3. Ease of adding removing softwares
4. Driver Support
5. Games [Yes this is a important aspect which cant be ignored]
6. Number of Free / Paid sofwares available wrt there purpose of use.
7. Availability of local support [Aska friend / Dealer / Some local techie]
8. Audio / Video Files playing.
9. Internet Browsing, Chat

1 2 4 5 6 7 8, Windows rox

Rest, Windows & linux are neck to neck

 

[FilledVoid]

4. Driver Support

If I understand the Linux concept correctly there are no Drivers. I might be wrong for this so Don't quote me on it. Pretty much if your hardware is supported then the modules are loaded. If its not then you can search for files required for the device but they basically are modules which are added to your system.

Could anyone confirm or correct me here please?