Windows is !easy, Linux is !hard

[praka123]

OK.Fine go,stick to ur vsita!u are not able to cross the learning curve. also try to stop whining!

 

[Tech_Wiz]

lol imav Ok I also prefer to use windows to Linux but you are one Hardcore Windows fan [Its rare ]

 

[infra_red_dude]

If you use high end systems for Graphics / Video Edits then windows has more sofisticated softwares [Y they cost $$ but they are better]

This point is absolutely correct! This is where OSS lacks. Even Macs haf apps for that.

If Console gaming is good but does a console allows you to run Movie DVDs? Plug it to latest speaker systems? Capture TV Shows / Video Edits? PC has multiple advantages.

Except the last point, a console can do everything else you've asked for!

I still say average user cant get a unsupported hardware to work on linux.

Fully agree with you on this

Stability is a old issue which died with XP SP2. I crashed more on Linux 7.04 trying to start my cam than all Windows events of crashes since I bought it.

Stability is still an issue with Windows!! Yes, even with Vista + supported hardware [Personal experience]

When I tried to Install Debian Etch on my new system it crashed my HDD twice. I lost all ****ing data. Its not that I never installed Linux before and made some **** with partitioning. When it comes to unsuported hardware Linux is CRP.

All "HDDs" are supported! Only problem can be with newer SATA controllers and ACPI, in which case I agree with you. But all the newer distros haf overcome his problem. Even WinXP needs SATA drivers or else it won't install.

In worst case is gfx card is not supported then the dreaded No screens found error. Then tell me how "easy" it is for a Average guy to install a Driver for it to get it working from command line with no internet?

How do you get a similar hardware (unsupported) to work in Windows without an internet connection? Don't temme someone posts you the driver code and you make a driver sitting at home and voila! even unsupported hardware can be installed in Windows without internet!!! Whether its windows or linux, getting unsupported hardware to work requires an internet connection. The configuration however is more in Linux as compared to Windows.

I also know apt-on-cd ****. But is there a .iso for download?

Sorry, didn't get you.

Go through the steps of making a CD for apt on CD **** and compare it with Windows.

Now I'm sure you haf NEVER made an .iso with Apt-On-CD!!!

Getting hardware to work thingy: Well I got 8600 GT and even a jack ass knows that it has 3D support. No linux distro with built in driver was able to even detect it apart from 7.04 and Mandriva 08. 7.04 doesnt even let me go pass 800 x 600. and yes no 3D Desktop effects as hardware doesnt have 3D support.???

My friend as the exact same card and Ubuntu detects it just fine! However, he wanted the "performance" nVidia driver so he installed it separately.

But temme one thing, be very frank! Do you use the default Windows driver for your 8600GT and not the nVidia Forceware? Plz answer this question truthfully!

Then go to nVidia site for drivers with a big **** manual for nVidia Way of Install also if this is not enough then there is also THe "Distro" way of installing it. All i need on Windows is double click the setup. NO purge **** for old drivers is needed as it replaces them all together. No kernel compile or Kernel Modules stuff needed.

Ever heard of envy or automatix?

Defrag probs is no longer as grave when NTFS came.

True NTFS is better than FAT in this case, but journel based FS is best! (HFS+/ext/reiser etc.)

If Linux had a 80% + Share in Desktops then I bet it had the same Fate.

I seriously doubt about you saying you've used GNU/Linux for "4-5 years"!! Unix-System Like OS' haf a completely different structure. They are implemented in a way which is no where like Windows.

I'm SORRY I was rude to you while replying to some of your excerpts above (at least I think so that I was rude), but those doubts/opinions which you posted didn't make any sense at all!

 

[iMav]

lol imav Ok I also prefer to use windows to Linux but you are one Hardcore Windows fan [Its rare ]

its not my support for windows or that i hate linux or os x i dont hate them but its the not required show of absolute ignorant arrogance by both linux and os x users and un-necessary bashing of anything associated with MS their thinking that any1 using windows is inferior to them is what pisses me off more than the OS

 

[Tech_Wiz]

^^ +1 "providedin most cases"

ps: I will answer in detail tommorow as I am off to home now. I felt a bit offended by that earlier post so I ended up using some words I shouldnt have

Well good night for now

 

[gxsaurav]

I just recently installed MSDE and its associated web data admin on a freshly installed, fully updated windows XP.

wrong, this is a lie. A fully updated Windows XP means the user updated using Windows Update as that is how u get to know about all the updates applicable to your computer. If that was the case, then .net 1.1 & 2.0 runtime are already shown in optional updates...so technically the computer was not "Fully updated"

Find out that I had to supply a command line switch.

This step is required if u want to use some extra installation tweaks, like silent installation or noreboot etc, so this is not required in case of 99% on the installations

linux's installer system is much more advanced, for example .deb packages. they ideally(read: in all good software) include full information about files, where they go, etc.

They [/QUOTE]

The recommended Microsoft way of installation is not exe, but it is Windows installer based MSI. I m not going to write advantage of Microsoft Installer over NSIS or Installsheiled (which uses MSI now) here, as tht will be quite big to type.

Its also very secure, as compared to M$ idea of using exes, executables, for the install, which can easily be exploited.

Can u lock a deb file from extraction & modification, U can't. however u can lock a MSI from any further modification & extraction. So u r wrong & MS way of installer is secure.

also lack a database of software unlike ubuntu which provides almost all software you need in the add/remove tab under programs

Holy f***ll.... Then what the hell is Add remove progrma in Windows since Windows 98. Seriously boy have u ever used Windows?

You need to be only slightly geeky for linux commandline, whereas in windows you need to be an abusive geek to try working via Command Prompt.

Yeah...that's why Comman line in Windows is next to unexistant.

grudgy better commit suicide before doing that

Lolz...

Linux however, is awssome on a PC, most specifically that average 30K intel twincore+GMA3100+64bit+1GBDDR2RAM PC that most budget buyers buy today, as they can run linux in maximum compability mode in full glory., and still have windows for gaming and running some software work demands.

Wait, If you have such High end PC then why work on Linux to get it to work & face lack of features in software like automatic fetching of id3 tags in amarok etc...when u can simply install Vista on it & start right away. R U trying to say that Linux will work on the latest hardware in full glory (With limited drivers) but Windows won't run in full glory (with full driver support)

as for windows, exe install is not secure.

Care to explain how? This is the first time i m hearing something like this.

In linux you only see the alternative ways of installing stuff. you have deb, rpm and bin for installation. jar is there too. these are all very secure.

How? U can simply extract a deb or jar file, edit & modify the files & commands in it & repack it, how is this secure? In case of Windows installer, like I said before u can lock the package.

you can install software by compiling in windows too, but its too complicated.

What? Last I found...net apps compile themselves automatically using ngen.exe without any user interaction.

compatibility reasons force one to compile. a software compiled on your computer runs perfectly on it without any possible compatibility related defects.

This is why .net was made. Not only it is easy to make apps for Windows easier in .net but it also optimizes the software for your machine hardware once installed.

who says you have exes for every single thing?

Tell me a single application which doesn't have exe in Windows . (Note : Java apps need not apply)

Gautam & Cyrus...seriously, go & study Windows for Dummies. U guys are talking insane things about Windows which are 90% wrong.

The best thing there is no Windows compter without a malicious files

Lolz...then what the hell i m running here

1. get the file - normally a exe,
2. double click
3. follow the wizard which has normal steps like wheredo u want to install it to; what name u want and what serial no. and thats it
4. some applications might need u to restart (though i find no big deal in a simple restart

Hmm..which method do u think provides more control to the user? Linux installes in the apps folder. Well, in Windows I can select where to install, what to install...how to install. Does Linux provides this kind of control in synaptic.?

I use ACDSee 9 (Example), when installing in Windows I selected not to use many file format plugins which I don't need, I selected not to install the device detector plugin etc...when I installed Picasa in Linux using the deb I was never given an option not to install the online resources links like upload to blogger etc, even when I tried to install Pidgin, I was not given the option not to install suppor for Gadu gadu or Jabber (Cos I don't use them).

Windows way is made for Windows. Get used to it, it gives the user full control over what to install, where to install & how to install. Have a look at Winamp installer, it only installes what u want unlike Exaile which installes so many dependencies which don't even uninstall once i remove exaile.

agree you can play Mp3 in windows but what about others, you need to install a codec packs

Just like Linux, Microsoft isn't the one making DivX codec, so they cannot bundle it else DivX will sue them like real network sued MS saying "Since MS gives WMP inbuilt, no one uses our sh1T player"

a average user in windows also uses services of a tech guy to configure, similar you can do it with linux

Wait,...what? Ever used Windows online hardware database?

did you forget defrag, registry cleaning,av virus ,firewall updates,spyware updates

Lets see, defragmentor is given in windows already. Registry cleaning is usually not that important. AV is not required in most cases, Firewall is already there, Windows update is enabled by default, Windows defender protects automatically.

Tell me what Windows/*nix can do which OS X can't do except gaming?

U can't make the OS work the way u want, u can't customise & screw the OS like Vishal & sashwat did with Windows & Linux

Shud I ask in similar tone that people expect the zip,rar,office,security systems to be deployed out of box? What about ogg/ogm files, photoshop alternative and readin linux partitions => out-of-box?

Zip works out of the box in Windows & is the most widely used compression format despite of WinRAR superiority.

What is the market share & demand for OGG/OGM Files? If consumers ask for it, MS will provide support in built.

Photshop alternative???????????? tell me a single home user who needs a full blown image editor like Photoshop? Paint is good enough to start with & Paint.net...welll, different story.

Compiling the kernel n whole OSX? I dunno if u can do that!

No need to, it compiles & automatically optimises itself during Installation, something Windows Vista copied from Mac OS X (I agree, MS copied this good feature)

why the **** are you too dumb then to be able to choose what you want?

Because there are 10000 distro's out there & each has something better then the other, but none has all-in-one features.

Slax has the best Application installation method in Linux.

Linspire Click & run is the best online installer...

No linux has both of these features in it.

and warning for all would be linux users: linux is ment for those who know what a computer is, and who know some serious stuff about it. This even a standard 13 year old knows in these times, but if you are not in the category, I beg you to shy away from linux.

Linux is Not For Fools. Its for those with a fully functional brain

How old r u? 12?.....You mean the whole 3D animation industry, forensic industry, movies, audip production industry, TV industry, racing cars...cricket data, news channel broadcast is run by fools? Gautam...u seriously need to to check a psychiatrist

@ Tech wiz...

Nice logical answers, but keep an eye on the language too.

yep a standard 700mb gutsy gibbon comes with-F-spot photo manager,gthumb image viewer,Xsane image scanner,and of course the all powerful gimp.

No, wrong.

OK.Fine go,stick to ur vsita!u are not able to cross the learning curve. also try to stop whining!

Why learn? We just want to open our computer & do our work like chat with gals, or edit a picture or watch porn. Why learn about how to do these things.

How do you get a similar hardware (unsupported) to work in Windows without an internet connection?

You get a driver CD.

 

[Pathik]

^^ Oh F**k.. GX back in full form. bohot dino baad itna bada post dekha..

 

[FilledVoid]

I got my MBP for Rs 72k. Including 4 Gb iPod Nano ($200, dunno how much in here) and a Samsonite carry case ($40; Rs 1800 in Chennai).

It's no VFM but for the configuration I got and not to mention the *original* killer OS it didn't seem that expensive as perceived.

Interesting, but does that cost include the cost of your office software you mentioned earlier ? Nonetheless I like the way those laptops look . Maybe in some future time I will definitely try it out and if Mac doesnt work out for me Ill try ubuntu on it ! Out of curiosity have you ever had to have After sales support. Just curious what would you do if the processor blew a cylinder or something . Are its parts readily available?

Ill agree with iMav with one thing though. I dont see how using a Windows XP/Vista box makes a person average/ignorant etc. One choice of his software is his freedom.

Ever heard of envy or automatix?

I wouldnt recommend this to anyone. Althoug it works for some , many have found that it goes bad and when I mean bad I mean as very bad

When it comes to unsuported hardware Linux is CRP.

When it comes to unsupported hardware all OS sucks.

I have only crashed once so far on Linux so I guess it pretty much based on the hardware you are using. I used the same system to install Vista (original version) and from my experience it never worked.

I also know apt-on-cd ****. But is there a .iso for download?

If you are talking about the package thern you just need to run sudo apt-get install aptoncd . if you are talking about the ISO to install then if you go to the opensource forum theres a thread just for the same purpose of helping folks get AptOnCD iso's. the ones there are mainly 32 bit if you need the AMD64 ones give me a call or message or something.

Go through the steps of making a CD for apt on CD **** and compare it with Windows.

Whats the difficulty you faced? Just to be clear AptOnCd is just an extra convience you can back up those files even without it. Check the thread mentioned above to see what Im talking about.

Getting hardware to work thingy: Well I got 8600 GT and even a jack ass knows that it has 3D support

I am using an XFX 8600 GT on Ubuntu 7.10 I do my work on and it seems to be able to run any gfx effects at any quality. I havent used Mandriva but Im amazed that it wouldnt detect it. Ive heard that Mandriva includes excellent H/w support. I might be wrong though.

prakash I would like to hear more about Debian distributions. been thinking of joing the cult. Not that I have a problem with Ubuntu of course. but I havent seen much information about it on this forum especially considering that Ubuntu is a Debain Derivative. Will start a new thread with my doubts for that.


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face lack of features in software like automatic fetching of id3 tags in amarok

I think you need something called Musicbrainz or Picard . Not sure is this is the right name but you might want ot check.

Windows way is made for Windows.

To end your confusion may I rephrase what you said. Windows way is made for Windows. Linux way is made for Linux. Os X way is for Os X.

 

[mediator]

Zip works out of the box in Windows & is the most widely used compression format despite of WinRAR superiority.

What is the market share & demand for OGG/OGM Files? If consumers ask for it, MS will provide support in built.

Photshop alternative???????????? tell me a single home user who needs a full blown image editor like Photoshop? Paint is good enough to start with & Paint.net...welll, different story.

1000s of orkut users, kids as well, keep on editing their pics. U think they r professionals? U think paint can accomplish all that? Bizarre! Some like editing and who wants to buy photoshop when a huge 5000+ bucks windows OS cant give it to u besides a 'file delete' problem 'out-of-box'! 5000+ bucks is like looting gullible users like u for an unworthy OS that cannot give u even 30% of daily use utilties and desktop experience 'out-of-box'!!

And about OGM/ogg, readin linux partitions etc I guess we had given our requests in the thread created by the "MVP". But still no luck!! WTH!

its not my support for windows or that i hate linux or os x i dont hate them but its the not required show of absolute ignorant arrogance by both linux and os x users and un-necessary bashing of anything associated with MS their thinking that any1 using windows is inferior to them is what pisses me off more than the OS

Some may be doin it. But its nuthing compared to what Steve Ballmer does! He is the King of the FUDs u know! So trolling in front of him similarly i.e in front of "Steve" might get u a "Job". Don't mind, was just rhyming!

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

I just recently installed MSDE and its associated web data admin on a freshly installed, fully updated windows XP.

wrong, this is a lie. A fully updated Windows XP means the user updated using Windows Update as that is how u get to know about all the updates applicable to your computer. If that was the case, then .net 1.1 & 2.0 runtime are already shown in optional updates...so technically the computer was not "Fully updated"

Gautam & Cyrus...seriously, go & study Windows for Dummies. U guys are talking insane things about Windows which are 90% wrong.

Firstly @gx, I'm not the one who wrote this article, please refer the source. You are as ignorant as anybody can get by assuming such things. You know why? That's because the guy who wrote the article has has been a system admin with over 17yrs of Networking with windows management. And you a 21yr old kid come in here and try to prove someone with as much experience as your whole lifetime wrpmg! You know what @gx, I'm not going to take one more word you say seriously, because all this just shows how ignorant you are with the attitude that you know everything under the sun and everyone else here are fools when you don't really know anything and honestly just showing how much of a Win fanboy you are. cheers... peace out..

Below is the Authors experience in the IT sector:

Expertise
Programming C++ - 7 Years
Linux Management - 8 Years
Programming VB - 15 Years
Networking - 17 Years
Windows Management - 17 Years
Source

 

[iMav]

another rant post .... blah blah blah

cyrus u got something of ur own on the topic to speak abt wat gx said or i said .... no then y take the pains to giv us arbitrary lectures save em for ur kids

 

[gary4gar]

i predict this thread will be locked soon

 

[preshit.net]

Holy f***ll.... Then what the hell is Add remove progrma in Windows since Windows 98. Seriously boy have u ever used Windows?

Windows doesn't list the software "available" to you. It only lists what is installed on the system unlike Ubuntu's Add / Remove or SPM. I think that's what he meant by "... all the softwares you need... "

 

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

^^^^^^^^^ Imav

here is the picture of my Original Windows XP CD Along with my College ID card.

Show US the copy of your XP CD !!! or Vista !

The CD Is Original and since its a holographic CD you also see the refection of my hand and camera taking its picture !
see the date .. took it just now ..! taken from k550i phone.. so u can't make much .. but atlest my college and date and phone .. !! view the picture details in some software and you know its my phone !

Show US your Copy .. lets all see how much you really respect and appreciate MS

Click for larger view

*img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/5/12/3/t_DSC00057film_de8406e.jpg

 

[mediator]

No need to, it compiles & automatically optimises itself during Installation, something Windows Vista copied from Mac OS X (I agree, MS copied this good feature)

Wud like to read more on this please!

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

^^^^^^^^^ Imav

Show US your Copy .. lets all see how much you really respect and appreciate MS

How can he show you one when he's using a pirated version which he himself declared to be proud of using. sigh....

 

[iMav]

How can he show you one when he's using a pirated version which he himself declared to be proud of using. sigh....

1. i got better things to do than fulfilling some 19 year old kid's wishes (im not ur father's servant to show u this and that) i giv a rats a$$ if he wrks in the anti-piracy dept if u have something on the topic talk else dont coz this is a rant thread where grudgy wants to talk sense and will ban people who dont obey his orders

2. could u (cyrus) tell me show me where iv said "proudly" that i use pirated softwares ....

 

[drgrudge]

Interesting, but does that cost include the cost of your office software you mentioned earlier ?

No way MS Office 2004 (for Mac) and iWorks is full licensed. Those are full feature 30 day trail.

I got Original License of iLife '08 and OS X 10.4.10 "Tiger" only with the MBP. Otherwise the machine has out of the box usability for all the common tasks.

Out of curiosity have you ever had to have After sales support.

All Macs come with One Year International Warranty. 3 service centers (2 for Laptops and 1 for iPods) in Chennai. Dunno abt other places in India.

Just curious what would you do if the processor blew a cylinder or something . Are its parts readily available?

No, parts are not available. OK, J/K.

They'll replace your Mac. No questions asked if it happens to be under warranty.


The cult of Mac is for a reason.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

1. i got better things to do than fulfilling some 19 year old kid's wishes (im not ur father's servant to show u this and that) i giv a rats a$$ if he wrks in the anti-piracy dept if u have something on the topic talk else dont coz this is a rant thread where grudgy wants to talk sense and will ban people who dont obey his orders

2. could u (cyrus) tell me show me where iv said "proudly" that i use pirated softwares ....

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You know what @iMav, you're just a piece of sh$%. Do you know why? Because first of all, you keep answering questions not directed at you and try to save @gx, ass, and when we do ask you a question, you don't reply and say that you give a 'rats a$$' as to whether you use pirated versions or not!

2.> When we ask you to post something, and because you obviously can't post it, you say that you are not going to waste your so called "precious useless time" to post anything and then you blame us for your ignorance and ask us to post things??

Well, we're not like you and hence I wasted my time searching for your thread in which you said you use "PIRATED WINDOWS XP" for the last 4 years.

pirated xp here never updated in the past 4 yrs wrks like a charm

This can be found here: *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=668707&postcount=41

Does this prove that you are nothing but a LIAR??

You are time and again proving to us that you are nothing but a useless Windows FANBOY!!

Accept it, you are one fanboy, do you know why?

First of all, you dont' own a legal copy of windows
Second you say every other sofware is crap because it's free as if you've paid for something
Thirdly, you keep arguing about things you have no idea about and answer questions not directed to you.

@drgrudge, this guy is really getting on my nerves, please advise him not to post any more crap and stay to the point and stop answering questions that we ask someone else and stop lying.

I'm not going to waste my time fighting with a jack a%@ FANBOY like you and get myself banned for telling what you really are. I can't believe how other members have been tolerating this guy for so long?

It would be better if this thread is locked as the points keep repeating on deaf ears.

 

[iMav]

ah ya my desktop has xp pirated coz i had i bought it 4 years ago

my vista on the desktop is orignal & so is the 1 on my lappy


@drgrudge, this guy is really getting on my nerves, please advise him not to post any more crap and stay to the point and stop answering questions that we ask someone else.

I'm not going to waste my time fighting with a jack a%@ FANBOY like you and get myself banned for telling what you really a