*** Science Or God? ***

[legolas]

1st, 2nd and 3rd cousins are....

presumably dead
@T159, its coming!

 

[karnivore]

Ancient Nuclear India as Evidenced at Mohenjo-Daro

This post has reference to this link, provided in a post in another thread.

The crux of the matter is that, some people are claiming that our ancestors had nuclear weapons, and proof of the fact is in the radioactive skeletal remains at Mohenjo-Daro itself. Apparently, a reference to an incidence in the Mahabharata looks too similar to a nuclear explosion. Since it is impossible to imagine such events with such vividity, it has to be more than a mere coincidence.

Apparently some other tangible proofs of ancient nuclear India exist too. Remains at Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa are apparently highly radioactive. Radioactivity, of such high proportion, as has been allegedly recorded at the archeological sites, can’t come into existence right out of the blue. Coupled with the fact that these two civilizations came to an abrupt end, which in it self is a mystery, the nuclear explosion, apparently, fits quite snuggly.

Lets examine, if there is any evidence to the above conclusions.

What is the source :

Site after site, relentlessly claim the above story, basically copy/pasting each other, but fail to give any reference to original news article. There is no mention of a press release, or something similar, by the Government of India or Pakistan or Britain. This huge event i.e. unearthing of such a radioactive skeleton, which has the potential of turning our history book right on its head, is not even mentioned in any archeological web sites like ASI, or Mohenjodaro.net or Harappa.com, or even the Hindu propaganda web sites. (These Hindu apologist sites do claim that the vedic India was nuclear, but, thankfully, do not point at the ruins of Indus Valley civilization as evidence. They have their own reasons, of course.)

Unless there is a huge conspiracy to cover up the fact, for some unknown reason, in which even the Government of India is actively taking part, this story is absolutely bunk and that too, a sloppy one.

The Fountainhead :

This file shared with KeelyNet courtesy of Bryant Stavely. Excerpt from the World Island Review, January 1992.

Source [We meet again, Rense.com]

Apparently, the story was broken to the world by World Island Review and was fist referenced by KeelyNet, in January 1992. Strangely the story is no longer available on KeelyNet. Also, the World Island Review, seems to be a fake, which hardly surprises me.

Skeletal Remains :

When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city[FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

A casual reading will give the impression, that the sites at Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro were littered with skeletons and were found in such position, that would suggest an instant annihilation of an entire city.

Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death[FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

Again, a casual reading will give the impression, that the skeletons that were found, had flesh attached to them and that the deaths were due to some physical violence, the cause of which is mysterious.

Debunk time:

The total number of skeletons found at the main site of Mohenjo-Daro, during the initial archeological digging during 1922-1931, was, just 37. 14 of those, including a minor, were found inside a small room, 1 was found in a blocked lane. Let me quote Prof. G.F.Dales from his “The Mythical Massacre at Mohenjo-daro”, (he was of course debunking the myth of Aryan invasion, much to the joy of Hindu apologists).

Nine years of extensive excavations at Mohenjo-daro (1922-31) - a city of three miles in circuit – yielded the total of some 37 skeletons, or parts thereof, that can be attributed with some certainty to the period of the Indus civilizations. Some of these were found in contorted positions and that suggest anything but orderly burials. Many are either disarticulated or incomplete….Where are the burned fortresses, the arrow heads, weapons, pieces of armor, the smashed chariots and bodies of the invaders and defenders? Despite the extensive excavations at the largest Harappan sites, there is not a single bit of evidence that can be brought forth as unconditional proof of an armed conquest and the destruction on the supposed scale of the Aryan Invasion.

Later excavation unearthed more Skeletal remains in other Indus valley ruins like Harappa, Dholavira, Lothal etc., which numbered a little more than 300. [I am not sure of the exact number.]

It is an absolute lie that bodies littered the streets of these ruins. There isn’t a shred of evidence of an instantaneous mass death, as evidenced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Some of these skeletons were actually buried at different ground level, pointing to different periods of time. There isn’t any evidence of any major war or invasion itself. And after few thousand years of being underground, is it possible for skeletons to retain flesh. Decide for yourself. [Male], [Female]

Nuclear Explosion ?

Historian Kisari Mohan Gangulisays that "Indian sacred writings" are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If it indeed was a nuclear explosion, then it must be of a kind, that we don’t of know yet. Here’s how Mohenjo-Daro looks today (Great Bath, College, Courtyard, Wall) after a couple of thousand years after the alleged explosion. And here’s how Hiroshima looked, after the actual explosion. Notice the difference. In case of the archeological remains of Mohenjo-Daro, the city is remarkably intact, except of course corrosion, and vandalism. Hiroshima on the other hand is practically leveled to the ground. True, that more that half of Hiroshima was made of wood, nevertheless, is it possible for primitive brick structures to remain erect, the way it is found in Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, after a nuclear blast ? The other possibility is that the bomb used, killed only biological things and left the infrastructure intact. But that is highly unlikely.

Besides, when there was no major battle, or conflict, or invasion – at least there is no proof of it - why would anybody even detonate a nuclear warhead, assuming this detonation actually happened. Absence of proof of conflict, itself, removes the motive behind such macabre event.

Nuclear Radiation ?

At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal.

These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki[FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

Radioactivity may actually remain for over a few millions of years, depending on the presence of the amount of radioisotopes. Normal radioactive exposure is considered as 300 millirems, at sea level, but permissible limit for an adult is 5000 millirems over the normal. 50 times normal would mean 15,000 millirems, which is fairly high. However, current background nuclear radiation in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is just as normal as entire Globe. This level was reached in just 60 odd years. If a blast of the nature experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, was responsible for such annihilation, how is it possible for the skeleton to remain so much radioactive, even after a couple of thousand years ?

Who is Kisari Mohan Ganguli ?

Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that "Indian sacred writings" are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons.

"The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees," says Ganguli.

"Instead of mushroom clouds, the writer describes a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds as consecutive openings of giant parasols. There are comments about the contamination of food and people's hair falling out."

I can’t say with reasonable accuracy, if Mr Kisari Mohan Ganguli, actually Babu Kisari Mohan Ganguli, was a historian or not, but I can tell with absolute certainty, that he did interpret The Mahabharata into English. But there is a catch. The interpretation was done between 1883 and 1896, a good 50 odd years before the first atom bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, and a good 90 odd years before the interview was included in the apparently fake news mag or site.

The above quote will give the impression that Mr Kisari Mohan Ganguli, actually gave the interview to that mag/ site. But that is impossible. Also, his references to Hiroshima and Nagasaki are also very unlikely. It is possible, he was not even alive when the events happened. I can’t be sure. However, it is highly unlikely that he would misquote from his own translation. In entire Mahabharata, translated by him, there is no mention of “parasol” or anything that resembles a “parasol”.

Who is Francis Taylor ?

There is no archeologist named Francis Taylor, [Google Scholar search]accept for an amateur English gentleman, as is clear from the first link. However, he is more concerned with local archeology e.g. Stonehenge etc and there is no evidence, at least on line, that he ever visited the archeological sites of Mohenjo-Daro or Harappa. There is, rather was, another Francis Taylor, who was the museum curator, but he died in 1957.

Misquoting The Mahabharata:

"A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.

"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.

"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."

How many times have these quotes been rubbed in your face as sure evidence of description of nuclear explosion described in The Mahabharata. Well, guess what. The quotes don’t appear in Mahabharata at all. Search for your self. The Mahabharata at SacredText.com is the one translated by Mr Kisari Mohan Ganguli and is the only publicly available translation of The Mahabharata.

These misquotes were dutifully(sic) fathered by Mr David Hatcher Childress.

Closest you will ever come to that quote is as below:

Endeavoured to be deceived by those wicked ones, those ascetics, with eyes red in wrath, looked at each other and uttered those words. Having said so they then proceeded to see Keshava. The slayer of Madhu, informed of what had taken place, summoned all the Vrishnis and told them of it. Possessed of great intelligence and fully acquainted with what the end of his race would be, he simply said that that which was destined would surely happen. Hrishikesa having said so, entered his mansion. The Lord of the universe did not wish to ordain otherwise. When the next day came, Samva actually brought forth an iron bolt through which all the individuals in the race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas became consumed into ashes. Indeed, for the destruction of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas, Samva brought forth, through that curse, a fierce iron bolt that looked like a gigantic messenger of death. The fact was duly reported to the king. In great distress of mind, the king (Ugrasena) caused that iron bolt to be reduced into fine powder. Men were employed, O king, to cast that powder into the sea. At the command of Ahuka, of Janarddana, of Rama, and of the high-souled Vabhru, it was, again, proclaimed throughout the city that from that day, among all the Vrishnis and the Andhakas no one should manufacture wines and intoxicating spirits of any kind, and that whoever would secretly manufacture wines and spirits should be impaled alive with all his kinsmen. Through fear of the king, and knowing that it was the command of Rama also of unimpeachable deeds, all the citizens bound themselves by a rule and abstained from manufacturing wines and spirits.

Last paragragh

Does not even come close to the description of a nuclear explosion.

Other radioactive cities

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built. For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region.

Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.

Ancient cities, roughly connected to the Indus valley civilization, are actually been discovered, rather unearthed in Rajasthan, by ASI. And it is true that the region actually has high level of radiation, although ASI does not mention of any archeological site to be radioactive. The reason of such radioactivity is entirely different than what is been suggested. Indian Nuclear Project/ Power plant/ Testing sites/ nuclear waste dumping site, are all located in those areas of Rajasthan. This might help understanding.

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This is a story told to Surendra Gadekar. One day in Narora a worker with a geiger counter went to take tea in the canteen. His geiger counter suddenly went crazy. On investigating he found that the radioactivity was coming from the fire used for preparing the tea. Further investigation led to the discovery that the wood being burnt had originally been used for scaffolding inside the plant, and had got contaminated and hence should have been stored as low-level waste. Instead it had been sold to a contractor, who had fortunately sold it back to the canteen: hence this sordid practice of how the establishment deals with its waste was detected.
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If the centralized bureaucracy of Maurya Kings two thousand years ago had discovered nuclear power, we in India and Pakistan would probably still be spending half our current national budget storing and caring for or repairing the damage done by atomic wastes.

Source

[FONT=&quot]I studied medicine in Calcutta. But even there I had never seen so many patients with tumors in a single day. On talking to these people in Tamlao I found that almost all the symptoms had appeared after five or more years of the reactor's commissioning. [/FONT]

Source

I have already discussed why an atomic bomb, “about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945” can’t possibly be the reason behind any radioactivity in an area, after thousand of year of its detonation.

Lonar Crater :

The crater near Mumbai is the Lonar Crater [Image]. It is hardly a mystery anymore. Here’s the HTML version of a PDF file, which is not downloadable, at the moment.

In 1973, based on the work done by K. Fredriksson of [Smithsonian Institution], Washington DC, D.J. Milton of US Geological Survey, California in collaboration with A. Dube and MS Balasundaram of Geological Survey of India impact origin of Lonar crater was established. They discovered breccia with shatter cones and material containing maskelynite. Maskelynite formation requires very high pressure almost 4 lakh times the average atmospheric pressure on the Earth. And this is created only during hypervelocity impact…Thus impact origin of Lonar crater was proved.

All rational persons follow a rule of thumb. If something is too good to be true, then, in all likelihood, it is not true. A little skepticism is actually a sign of a healthy mind. Unfortunately, for some people, with a giant gullible bone, anything that shines, is gold.

Hopefully, we have seen the last of this kind of garbage on this forum.

[Valuable inputs from xenophilia.com]

P.S. I have embedded number of links, but unfortunately, these are not appearing in separate colour.

 

[karnivore]

Indian scientists and their faith

A recent survey on Indian scientists, by Institute for the Study of Secularism in India, reveal to us, the personal faiths and belief of these scientists.

• 50% scientists believe in homeopathy. [WTF ?]
  

• 49% believe in prayer. [WTF ?]

• 16% believe in faith healing. [WTF ?]

• 14% believe in vastu and astrology.

• 10% believe in palmistry.

• 8% believe in reiki.

• 6% believe in numerology.

I would, however like to see, how these percentages look among the general population. Then, we can actually put a meaning to these percentages. Without a basis for comparison, interpretation may be very subjective.

As we know that a study in US revealed something very similar. But comparing to the data obtained from the general public, the picture became a little clearer.

 

[vamsi_krishna]

Hello sir,

I dunno about all these evolution theory, big bang theory . But All i believe is there is some mysterious power which is making the earth to make rotation and revolution. There is some power which is making cell division in the mothers womb. Some call it as mysterious power and some call it as god. After all we can conclude that there is a unknown power in the universe which is making all these things. I mean which, science has designed to make humans respire only oxygen and tress only carbon-di-oxide. Thus making us dependable on the trees and trees to human.

More over the world has already witnessed some gods namely Jesus christ, Prophet mohammed and all others. the world has witnessed some of the phenomenon which we assume as gods play to be only some scientific phenomenon.

I believe in god and i believe in science. There is no human without science and there is no science without god.

 

[naveen_reloaded]

Hello sir,

I dunno about all these evolution theory, big bang theory . But All i believe is there is some mysterious power which is making the earth to make rotation and revolution. There is some power which is making cell division in the mothers womb. Some call it as mysterious power and some call it as god. After all we can conclude that there is a unknown power in the universe which is making all these things. I mean which, science has designed to make humans respire only oxygen and tress only carbon-di-oxide. Thus making us dependable on the trees and trees to human.

More over the world has already witnessed some gods namely Jesus christ, Prophet mohammed and all others. the world has witnessed some of the phenomenon which we assume as gods play to be only some scientific phenomenon.

I believe in god and i believe in science. There is no human without science and there is no science without god.

Hi there...

These kinda lame equations and theories only make us stop from knowing the truth...

As for your bell division stuff... There is nt any power... But its all complex chemicals and hormones which causes these after sperm fertilises the ovum.. So next time dont just say things like that... Atleast try to do some research... Or google it..

As for your godly witness ... Todays guruji's are tom's godly witness..,fortunately today we have all those media, camera, etc to say he did this by trick and did that by another trick! In those days its wasnt like that... Hope you get my message..

 

[Faun]

now the question arises who came first egg or hen ??


You just cant define everything, what are those chemical and why they behave in that way ? why a child inside a womb is able to survive the liquid surrounding him but fails to breath in water when outside the womb ? What is memory of water ?

But then science is just all about facts and deductions. You derive as what u can best assume

 

[naveen_reloaded]

For answering the first question tell me... Who was before god or say who created god...

As for second thing...

From the contact of head of sperm, and release of lysozyme like material to formation of full placenta there is a complete pathway dude...
As for fetus... In the sac... They get all the nutrient and the sac in many ways protect the fetus...

 

[Faun]

u didn't got the gist of what am saying, its just that we assume and make facts and deduction on what seem to be true in our frame of reference.

What is a sperm ? and why there is perfect chance of only one making it to the egg and fertilizing it. Why the hell differentiation of cell occurs too fast in some species and too slow in others ? Why every human born baby is so perfect and hardly a few suffers from anomalies ? What is that made such a perfect replication mechanism for DNA ? Who was the architect for that?

We know we created artificial intelligence but who created the natural one ?? Why there is a balance between the each organism ?

These are just few questions which even science can't explain clearly nor the beliefs ? What I want to convey here is that there is always room for possibility, facts are a dead end to nowhere.

If I knew the answer to these question, I wouldn't be questioning .

 

[naveen_reloaded]

I would love to answer each of your questions in detail...but unfortunately i am on mobile and have a exam tom morning... But will do it by tom evening...

I will leave you with one thing though...
Instead thinking why it happened, oh thats great... It cant be done naturally. . Think in a scientific perspective...you will find the answer! For every question you asked there are loads of proof and articles and theories... Or say facts...
Its like asking why current flows when you switch the butto on... You know why...
Thats how things work... How many times have you seen short circuit? Hope you get the point... But will post a detail reply later... C ya...

 

[Faun]

Study for now and leave the questions till tomorrow
Good luck for exams

Yeah am ready fo getting answers for my all doubts and questions

Add few more, what causes superconductivity ? Whats the reason behind Simulated Annealing ?

I want absolute answers and no theory or assumptions

And what is the future of mankind ? Is it a vicious circle /
What happens after death ? Is there an afterlife ?
I was dead before I was born and will be dead after I die ? So relatively speaking I am dead for a considerable amount of time as compared to life am enjoying. So what do you think is death, another form of life or something else ?
What is near death experience ?
What is Spontaneous human combustion and where are the proofs of it ?

 

[karnivore]

^^ You are asking some right questions (and some nonsense, as well), but looking at the wrong place for answers.

Non of us are experts in Evolutionary/ Molecular biology or Applied physics or Astrophysics or Neuroscience or similar subjects. The kind of details that you are looking for need real expertise. The best we can do is direct you to sites. But, believe me that won't be enough.

Besides, it just seems that you are asking for the sake of pointing out the gaps in scientific knowledge, typical of a god-of-gap syndrome. It you are sincere about those questions, then the first step in the right direction would be to visit some credible sites, run by some credible people.

SciencBlog, ScienceBlogs [here you will find a whole bunch of real scientists]
JREF, [a forum that is a must for all skeptics], Physics Forum [don't need introduction]
Cornell University, Stanford [philosophy]

There are hundreds of similar forums/ blogs/ sites run and/or maintained by reputed Ivy League Universities and scientists, all of which can quench your thirst for knowledge.

But, the question is, do you have the courage to learn ?

 

[Faun]

^^ should i point you to the other side too ?

I was an atheist, needless to say science was not enough to quench my thirst.

I never believed in idols or other beliefs.

But there is still something that neither science nor beliefs can explain. You are relying too much on science for the sake of truth, then comes another scientist with another theory and a brand new proof, its like bringing out patches and service packs when u can't provide an absolute image.

Life is all about possibility. I appreciate the science way of proving things with approximations and assumptions. FYI most of the theory explanation exists for ideal cases and for unreachable once we have extrapolations, regression analysis and statistics.

Indeed science is all about exceptions. What you can't explain reasonably with science becomes myths and paradoxes.

I condemn the idea of following either cult. It simply sucks when u believe in things just coz it has got modern proofs and some xyz gave the demonstration, only to be later refuted by another pqr.

Rigidity of thoughts hamper development.

 

[karnivore]

^^ should i point you to the other side too ?

What makes you think that I am not aware of the other side. Skepticism, for me, is not a fashion statement. I did not become a skeptic, because it looked good on me. You may be surprised, but it was that "other side" that made me a skeptic.

But there is still something that neither science nor beliefs can explain.

True.

You are relying too much on science for the sake of truth...

What else can I rely on, other than science.

...then comes another scientist with another theory and a brand new proof, its like bringing out patches and service packs when u can't provide an absolute image.....It simply sucks when u believe in things just coz it has got modern proofs and some xyz gave the demonstration, only to be later refuted by another pqr.

It is how one reaches the lofty heights of perfection - self criticism and correction. Isn't that the best part of science - that it is constantly trying to be perfect. Next time when you mock science the way that you do, think of yourself in 2008 AD and a man in 2008 BCE. The difference is a gift of a constantly evolving process of science.

Life is all about possibility...FYI most of the theory explanation exists for ideal cases and for unreachable once we have extrapolations, regression analysis and statistics.

Life is indeed all about possibilities. But not about absurdities.

Once again, look around you. Right from that simple pencil to your PC, every thing is a result of some theory/ explanation.

Indeed science is all about exceptions.

Science is all about knowing and the process of knowing.

What you can't explain reasonably with science becomes myths and paradoxes.

True

Rigidity of thoughts hamper development.

True. But a friendly advice - "Don't be so open minded that your brain falls off."

 

[mediator]

But there is still something that neither science nor beliefs can explain.

True.

What else can I rely on, other than science.

Relying on science is good! But u need to know how science goes & progresses then.

A little skepticism is actually a sign of a healthy mind.

But believing theories, like big bang having so much boom n that of evolution, as facts is a sign of a mind that needs plenty of help n rest.

In a nutshell its the same old story that science can't explain everything!

 

[naveen_reloaded]

before i start answering all these .. i want u to understand that whtever i say in a friendly manner.. if i ever cross my limit ... please tell me so

Study for now and leave the questions till tomorrow
Good luck for exams

Yeah am ready fo getting answers for my all doubts and questions

Add few more, what causes superconductivity ?

[/quote]

I

want absolute answers and no theory or assumptions

as for tha absolute answer... let me say once and for all.. todays theory is tom`s fact...the thing is many theories need loads of experiment to back it up.. there are many theories in the history which had to wait for more than a century to prove those theories...

lets say theories are the first step to uncover the truth...

so instead of not believing in theories.. try to think rationally .. so that we can find some answer or say.. accept the theory if we find them acceptable..

And what is the future of mankind ? Is it a vicious circle /
What happens after death ? Is there an afterlife ?

wht was the future of dinosaur?? we can never predict those things.. wht if a huge asteroid strikes and we all die ??? where is the future then?? more over i dont get u ... wht do u mean by future of humans ??

wht happens after death.. well i too think of it very often..

but then realize .. what happens when u sleep or put on anesthesia in a surgery ??

ok simply say .. can u say where u are while sleeping ( deep sleep )... u dont .. u cant ... thats wht happens after death .. with one exception... that u wont get up and dont get dreamzzzz.....

i dont believe in afterlife....

I was dead before I was born and will be dead after I die ? So relatively speaking I am dead for a considerable amount of time as compared to life am enjoying. So what do you think is death, another form of life or something else ?
What is near death experience ?
What is Spontaneous human combustion and where are the proofs of it ?

i dont get you first of all.. if u die.. u die just like a insect... thats all.. gone as dust.. no return back... !! no afterlife.. it exist only in films....

death is point where ur brain suffers massive hypoxia and shock.. medically speaking.. death is equalent to death of ur brain.. there is nothing beyond it...

just one thing .... there is nothing called or exist as afterlife... simply because those are myths... / legends...

near death expireince ???

can we take it as a recover from accident ??? coz i simply have no knowledge in them.. but i can only speculate...
also about spontaneous combustion

What is a sperm ? and why there is perfect chance of only one making it to the egg and fertilizing it. Why the hell differentiation of cell occurs too fast in some species and too slow in others ? Why every human born baby is so perfect and hardly a few suffers from anomalies ? What is that made such a perfect replication mechanism for DNA ? Who was the architect for that?

We know we created artificial intelligence but who created the natural one ?? Why there is a balance between the each organism ?

These are just few questions which even science can't explain clearly nor the beliefs ? What I want to convey here is that there is always room for possibility, facts are a dead end to nowhere.

If I knew the answer to these question, I wouldn't be questioning .

but instead of going through al;l these links.. go to a medaical college lib

few links

*www.indiana.edu/~anat550/embryo_main/
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eelyg_k5iw&feature=related

more to come.. give me some time....

 

[mediator]

ok simply say .. can u say where u are while sleeping ( deep sleep )... u dont .. u cant ... thats wht happens after death .. with one exception... that u wont get up and dont get dreamzzzz.....

How can u tell what happens after death? Have u experienced death? Then how come u r here? If u have read other people's experiences, it implies that they r not dead neways! Then what's near death experience?

i dont get you first of all.. if u die.. u die just like a insect... thats all.. gone as dust.. no return back... !! no afterlife.. it exist only in films....

O'Reilly?

ust one thing .... there is nothing called or exist as afterlife... simply because those are myths... / legends...

Since u r an expert in following & putting up digg.com articles here as a general source of reference to be considered, then here's some food for thought from not the best source but atleast better than digg.com.

Afterlife research in the early 20th century

Science, in general, either describes the universe and human beings without reference to a soul or to an afterlife, or tends to remain mute on the issue. A notable exception is a famous study conducted in 1901 by physician Duncan MacDougall, who sought to measure the weight purportedly lost by a human body when the soul departed the body upon death.[2] MacDougall weighed dying patients in an attempt to prove that the soul was material, tangible and thus measurable. These experiments are widely considered to have had little if any scientific merit, and although MacDougall's results varied considerably from "21 grams," for some people this figure has become synonymous with the measure of a soul's mass.[3] The title of the 2003 movie 21 Grams is a reference to MacDougall's findings.

maybe its a myth, may be not.

death is point where ur brain suffers massive hypoxia and shock.. medically speaking.. death is equalent to death of ur brain.. there is nothing beyond it...

if i ever cross my limit ... please tell me so

U r crossing ur limits nows!

 

[Faun]

but instead of going through al;l these links.. go to a medaical college lib

yeah i was a bright biology student, used to crunch reference books to the last bite
Opted for Engg just for the sake of less headache. Now am just an average Joe.

There is one simple question of which i still haven't got any answer.

if there is matter then there is antimatter.
So if I die then will that be the end of everything or beginning of another cycle, as I was dead before i was born and will be dead after I die . look at the fraction of life compared to death, is it that minuscule in amount. So there must be something in vast boredom of death

Isn't death is another state that favors the least energy?

Sleep is an opening to surreal world, you can't control your dreams, may be someday i will be able to. But imagining is different where u are not in deep sleep and can imagine controlling the sequence.

 

[naveen_reloaded]

yeah i was a bright biology student, used to crunch reference books to the last bite
Opted for Engg just for the sake of less headache. Now am just an average Joe.

There is one simple question of which i still haven't got any answer.

if there is matter then there is antimatter.
So if I die then will that be the end of everything or beginning of another cycle, as I was dead before i was born and will be dead after I die . look at the fraction of life compared to death, is it that minuscule in amount. So there must be something in vast boredom of death

Isn't death is another state that favors the least energy?

Sleep is an opening to surreal world, you can't control your dreams, may be someday i will be able to. But imagining is different where u are not in deep sleep and can imagine controlling the sequence.

no atleast just borrow one and go through first few pages.. u will find your answer regarding foramtion of baby... etc...

as for ur second question... its a logicless question ( pardon me for saying that... i too agree thinking that way is a different path.. but think it in a rational way.. it may appear different ) ... to answer it .. i can say .. u were NOT BORN ( not the other way around ... dead ) before u were born...

to simply put... the concept of dead b4 born is like heat which gets converted into electricity... ( ie ur birth ) and u reach the tubelight.. and wasted ... gone ( meaning u r dead ).... there is no cycle here...

i think i came close to answering ur question in a bizzare way....

i never meant to hurt you... in anyway... i too like to think like you... but after thinking for a while and putting fullstops @ neccesary areas... i will find a answer...

ok i have a best site for embryology....

hope those contents work..

*cna.uc.edu/embryology/chapter1/animations/contents.htm

 

[Faun]

no atleast just borrow one and go through first few pages.. u will find your answer regarding foramtion of baby... etc...

I have more than three reference books with me, man i love biology
but wat i was talking about is that few things during fertilization and differentiation that even biologists don't know why occur.

For example in genetic engineering to pass a verctor containing the marked plasmid you can employ three techniques.
1. electric shock treatment to the cell (scientists don't know why this works but they know that it works)
2. heat treatment
3. i forgot, and am too lazy to check it now

as for ur second question... its a logicless question ( pardon me for saying that... i too agree thinking that way is a different path.. but think it in a rational way.. it may appear different ) ... to answer it .. i can say .. u were NOT BORN ( not the other way around ... dead ) before u were born...

Logic is a subset of information representation. Its best in maths and other things. But not where your instinct comes to rescue.
a logic can't define the gravity of a situation and ambiguity in conveyance.
there is something more to brain than logic.

to simply put... the concept of dead b4 born is like heat which gets converted into electricity... ( ie ur birth ) and u reach the tubelight.. and wasted ... gone ( meaning u r dead ).... there is no cycle here...

so isn't that mean the same am talking about; you were something before and will be something after.
Energy can change or transform but never get destroyed.
May be some one might put it to recycle

i think i came close to answering ur question in a bizzare way....

i never meant to hurt you... in anyway... i too like to think like you... but after thinking for a while and putting fullstops @ neccesary areas... i will find a answer...

bizarre and oddities serves as a mean to find new things and exceptions
just go to this site :
*www.snopes.com/
i really loved wasting my time on this site

hurt is a feeling that doesn't hurt me anymore, you replies were not in any way harsh. I appreciate the calm composure.

PS: may be i am wrong at few instances.

 

[legolas]

you seem to be over-employing the term of "rationality", it seems to masquerade often to express your scientific views while its not even close to explaining.
Its important to know what Science helps with. Science answers "what and How" more often than "why"!!! Its the difference. Light is a phenomenon and we have exploited it for many years now.. Electricity... from Maxwell's equations. But no one knows why it behaves the way it behaves... Even Science relies on contentment. We see/hear/feel things and understand them thro' science. Well, there are only a handful of things we have been able to do, that too near perfect. So, it is not highly rational for a rational person to not think of the other possibilities. In my view, a rational person always admits equiprobable chance for everything to be present but tries to find peace with the best explanation possible while not neglecting the other possibilities.