*** Science Or God? ***

[Aberforth]

Re: ***science Or God?***

You're quitting because you were proven wrong, and many times at that. Being an engineer is not an excuse for getting away with stupid remarks on science and its capabilities. Granted, from your understanding of science, I can make an exception of you.

FYI, I added you to my growing list of "stupid arrogants" long ago. I would still like to wish you luck, for you'll need it in your profession with this much knowledge and attitude of yours.

You could not prove yourself right, forget proving me wrong. All you did is drag the topic out of context and shoot yourself in the foot making 'hallmark of idiocy' comments. Science isn't a faith or a collection of truths like you imagine, it is an open ended quest for knowledge and nothing..I repeat nothing is without flaws. At least scientists, even the best of them admit that. All you want to prove is how scientists and achievers are a bunch of idiots and you understand the world better than them. You can't think of the universe closer than planets and stars. Oh please...I really have no time to argue and explain with your knowledge level with such idiocy, it is tiring and boring and I have better things to do. There is a saying, "Do not argue with a fool, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience".

Secondly if you believe in luck, keep all to yourself. Personally I believe in making my own luck not on your wishes and I am doing quite well with what I have which you have no idea of. It looks like you contantly need to put down people better than you by hook an crook and show how credible you are...that is the sign of immaturity and frustration. Perhaps you are overshadowed by real achievers which is why you hit at them and feel the need to insult heroes and scientists. If luck exists, I hope you get it by the truckloads, you really need it. This is not the first time I came across sort of people like you, I meet them all the time in my dealings and feel sympathy for them.

 

[Yamaraj]

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You could not prove yourself right, forget proving me wrong. All you did is drag the topic out of context and shoot yourself in the foot making 'hallmark of idiocy' comments. Science isn't a faith or a collection of truths like you imagine, it is an open ended quest for knowledge and nothing..I repeat nothing is without flaws. At least scientists, even the best of them admit that. All you want to prove is how scientists and achievers are a bunch of idiots and you understand the world better than them. You can't think of the universe closer than planets and stars. Oh please...I really have no time to argue and explain with your knowledge level with such idiocy, it is tiring and boring and I have better things to do. There is a saying, "Do not argue with a fool, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience".

You're dealing with a phenomenon known as the "foot in mouth situation". I see you've accepted the flaws of science in your two posts, but only after a long series of idiotic and crappy remarks. Good for you! Whatever I wanted to prove is none of your concern. Don't start putting words in my mouth. No, you cannot explain anything. Because to do that, you must have the ability to learn and understand.

Oh! Take it like a man and suck it up. This is not a private forum. Others have read the posts and commented on yours no differently from what I did. You have little understanding of science, philosophy and metaphysics, and yet you went on writing your usual rheoterics. Now, that you longer have the fuel left, you have accepted the truth, but only during your fits of anger, frustration and arrogance. Shows what kind of a person you must be in your real life.

Secondly if you believe in luck, keep all to yourself. Personally I believe in making my own luck not on your wishes and I am doing quite well with what I have which you have no idea of. It looks like you contantly need to put down people better than you by hook an crook and show how credible you are...that is the sign of immaturity and frustration. Perhaps you are overshadowed by real achievers which is why you hit at them and feel the need to insult heroes and scientists. If luck exists, I hope you get it by the truckloads, you really need it. This is not the first time I came across sort of people like you, I meet them all the time in my dealings and feel sympathy for them.

Luck is not my cup of tea. But as I said in my last post, you need it nonetheless. I don't get how you went on comparing the two of us, since you don't even know my age, profession, intelligence and what not! Sorry to burst your inflated bubble, but you need to get a strong hold on reality. Hitting on others only to wash your shame away won't do. You could do better if you tried enough, but I have my doubts.

e-Ego aside, I'm not sure if I would really offend you off the net. I understand that not everyone knows everything - neither do I. But I have a strong desire to understand things around me, and whatever time there is left after my work, I devote it to science, philosophy and the stuff in between. I was only trying to say that even science has limitations, given its methodology and rules. There are many things that science cannot deal with, and that doesn't necessarily mean that there exists a god or a supreme being. It all may just be random and chaos and we don't know yet for sure.

There is no need for the bitterness that has grown inside us. I apologize if your feelings were hurt because of me. But my stance on the topic remains unchanged.

 

[nileshgr]

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Albert Einstien Said- "There is some strong power in this universe which cannot be proved scientifically"

So GOD is origin of everything.

 

[Vyasram]

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well, he almost broke his brain thinking abt the universe and finally decided to join the majority

another man joined the list of " ignorance is bliss kinda ppl "
__________

so you so called GOD is the cause of everything then what is the cause of your GOD? who created your GOD? you know something can NOT be created out of nothing..

something can be created outta nothing, and thats how the great tiny ball was formed before the big bang theory.

if ppl bliving in god think that god created itself, same way , i'd say the universe created itself as i said in my abv post

 

[Yamaraj]

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something can be created outta nothing, and thats how the great tiny ball was formed before the big bang theory.

if ppl bliving in god think that god created itself, same way , i'd say the universe created itself as i said in my abv post

Although, Big Bang is the standard cosmological model, it has many problems and does not accurately describe and predict many things. Many senior and reputed scientists have raised issues with the Standard Model.

"The Big Bang fails scientifically because it seeks to derive the present, historically formed universe from a hypothetical perfection in the past. All the contradictions with observation stem from this fundamental flaw."
Eric J. Lerner, 1995

1. *www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/GenRel/BigBangModel.html
2. *www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/bb_problems.html
3. *www.calresco.org/cosmic.htm
4. *www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/bigbang_alternative_010413-3.html
5. *www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060508_mm_cyclic_universe.html

"In the early 1960's Huston Smith had an interview with the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama asked about the current status of scientific cosmological theories. Smith outlined the Steady State model, the Big Bang model, and the Bang-Bang-Bang one. The Dalai Lama remarked that of the three, the last one was closest to correct. Here is one of my favorite images of a Bang-Bang-Bang cosmology.

"O King of Gods. I have known the dreadful dissolution of the universe. I have seen all perish, again and again, at the end of every cycle. At that terrible time, every single atom dissolves into the primal pure waters of eternity, whence originally all arose. Everything then goes back into the fathomless, wild infinity of the ocean, which is covered with utter darkness and is empty of every sign of animate being. Ah, who will count the universes that have passed away, or the creations that have risen afresh, again and again, from the formless abyss of the vast waters? Who will number the passing ages of the world, as they follow each other endlessly? And who will search through the wide infinities of space to count the universes side by side, each containing its Brahma, its Vishnu, and its Shiva?"
-- Vishnu, in the Brahmavaivarta Purana from H. Zimmer, Myths and Symbols in Indian Art and Civilization, pg. 5."
- from link #1.

It's not mere coincidence that major physicists were/are interested in Indian philosophy and ancient knowledge. Hindu mythology doesn't propose that the Universe was created by any god. Even Rig Veda mentions that gods came after the existence.

My understanding is that the Universe may have come alive with its own consciousness at some time, and started developing itself. We are, after all, an integral part of the Universe and the life itself started from the lifeless. I think this is what Indian mystics call "unity of the consciousness" of self and the Cosmos. We change because the Universe changes itself, and the Universe is changing because of the changes we go though.

UPDATE:-
I just found out that a concious Universe is not only my imagination or a personal philosophy. This is what the Quantum conciousness is about.

0. *findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n6_v15/ai_15447461
1. *home.earthlink.net/~dolascetta/MetaFrameSet.html
2. *www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/QuanCon3.html
3. *www.quantumconsciousness.org/overview.html
4. *www.thymos.com/science/qc.html
5. *homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/goswam1.htm [very intresting interview]

 

[Aberforth]

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Now, that you longer have the fuel left, you have accepted the truth, but only during your fits of anger, frustration and arrogance. Shows what kind of a person you must be in your real life.

Tell me Yamaraj, what kind of person am I? You must be some kind of god messenger or a household fortune teller, are you? *rolls with laughter*

Luck is not my cup of tea. But as I said in my last post, you need it nonetheless. I don't get how you went on comparing the two of us, since you don't even know my age, profession, intelligence and what not! Sorry to burst your inflated bubble, but you need to get a strong hold on reality. Hitting on others only to wash your shame away won't do. You could do better if you tried enough, but I have my doubts.

Neither do I need any of your luck nor do you have any idea of me, my profession, position, age or anything. And most of your crap about how science is only a bunch of unverfiable hypothesis is crap. I would have stuck my head up in dung if I had to listen to such bullshit.

There are many things that science cannot deal with, and that doesn't necessarily mean that there exists a god or a supreme being. It all may just be random and chaos and we don't know yet for sure.

So what were you arguing all about, how scientists are simpletons who come up with a bunch of unverifieable hypthesis. Do you spend you free time so that you find how smarter than scientists you are and boast around? You should join, politics...

There is no need for the bitterness that has grown inside us. I apologize if your feelings were hurt because of me. But my stance on the topic remains unchanged.

I understand I caused you quite a hurt with my comments it is to be taken in a lighter vein, like I have a good laugh on reading this crap. And don't worry too much I am not bothered about your stance seriously, it is only internet - a lot of things I come across by people who really are sick and frustrated with life and hit pointlessly at everything and anything for the sake of attention, I can quite understand that.

 

[Yamaraj]

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I understand I caused you quite a hurt with my comments it is to be taken in a lighter vein, like I have a good laugh on reading this crap. And don't worry too much I am not bothered about your stance seriously, it is only internet - a lot of things I come across by people who really are sick and frustrated with life and hit pointlessly at everything and anything for the sake of attention, I can quite understand that.

You really need to take your head and stick it in dung, for it is a sin to keep twins parted. If my apology came to you as a string of soft words of a beaten warrior, don't flatter yourself. I would even apologize to a dog if I accidently stepped over its tail. It shows that I'm a rational and sensitive person. But you probably don't even deserve that.

It's not really difficult to imagine how all these ideas, theories, scientific papers and their statements, philosophy and quantum mechanics appear stupid and "bullshit" to you, given your level of intelligence and ability to comprehand and understand.

As I said it earlier, you are a beaten arrogant idiot. Take it like a man, and don't moan about it any longer. All hail this brilliant, who thinks he is smarter than Heisenberg, Einstein and Penrose. And it didn't take a theory to prove you wrong. Go home!

 

[Aberforth]

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It's not really difficult to imagine how all these ideas, theories, scientific papers and their statements, philosophy and quantum mechanics appear stupid and "bullshit" to you, given your level of intelligence and ability to comprehand and understand.

Why would you change your stance now, is it because you realised your blind opposition to science is bullshit? Look up at your own posts man and then I guess you'll realise your claims about how science is nothing but a bunch of insufficient hypotheses, quantum mechanics are doubtful and confusing...and what not. Please do have a look at your own posts, its really cheap changing colours faster than a chameleon to look pretty.

If my apology came to you as a string of soft words of a beaten warrior, don't flatter yourself.

Ooo boy, you really spoiled my moment of flattery. Now don't spoil my moment of fun when I laugh at this stupidity....

You are a really imaginative person, to think of yourself as a beaten warrior when you lose a silly forum debate. If you won, would we have had to call you Sir Yamaraj, knighted by her Majesty?

I would even apologize to a dog if I accidently stepped over its tail. It shows that I'm a rational and sensitive person. But you probably don't even deserve that.

That would be extremely stupid, a dog would be unable to understand your apology and you would get bitten. Now don't go telling me you can telepath with a dog...in that case I could assume you are one of them.

You really need to take your head and stick it in dung, for it is a sin to keep twins parted.

Dung is better than reading unsufferable stupid analogies and comments.

As I said it earlier, you are a beaten arrogant idiot. Take it like a man, and don't moan about it any longer.

Bit rich, coming from you. Maybe you really need to heed your own words a bit as I have pointed in my comment below.

All hail this brilliant, who thinks he is smarter than Heisenberg, Einstein and Penrose. And it didn't take a theory to prove you wrong.

Ahem...this really took me by surprise. I didn't expect your arrogance to give you an opinion that you are brilliant than Einstein. Well talk for yourself, pity being such narcisstic person....I learned never to give way to narcisstic people like you, it on;y makes them worse.

Go home!

Pretty silly comment, when I am sitting at home all right. Next time, don't pick phrases from a slang dictionary, doesn't look impressive.

 

[Yamaraj]

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Why would you change your stance now, is it because you realised your blind opposition to science is bullshit? Look up at your own posts man and then I guess you'll realise your claims about how science is nothing but a bunch of insufficient hypotheses, quantum mechanics are doubtful and confusing...and what not. Please do have a look at your own posts, its really cheap changing colours faster than a chameleon to look pretty.

If it's anyone who's taken a U-turn on this thread - it's you. You went from not recognizing the shortcomings and limitations of science to accepting them. My posts are there for anyone and everyone to read, analyze and form their own opinions.

Since you have nothing creative to say on topic, I'll be ignoring you from now on. Any personal insult, improper comment, silly remarks will be reported to moderators.

I'm done with you!

 

[Aberforth]

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Well the thread is open for all you see and since you admit it, no worries. Everyone can see for themselves who is a boast. And I cannot even bother to report any insults seeing the sheer numbers of it, I learnt something when I was little, "Don't bark back the at dog if it barks at you".

 

[Yamaraj]

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Dogs are better than stupid humans, for even they don't bark without a reason.

Reported.

 

[Aberforth]

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You didn't have to bother posting that. If it is report worthy moderators will do something about it. I can't help laughing, do you think you are scaring me with your show of <you know>....?

Since you have nothing creative to say on topic, I'll be ignoring you from now on.

Who said that?

 

[planetcall]

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something can be created outta nothing, and thats how the great tiny ball was formed before the big bang theory.

if ppl bliving in god think that god created itself, same way , i'd say the universe created itself as i said in my abv post

Those who believe in GOD have a valid point stating that there is a supreme state, the logic to define becomes illogical. Those who believe in Supermacy of science without any input from philosophy cant provide a logic based on such an idle state. You need to define what was there before bigbang and then only the bigbang model becomes ideal. As already said before by my friends here that big bang is a seriously flawed model and whatever logic develops from that root assumption is automatically nullified.
I have a view of GOD which is different to many others as I have already stated that GOD is not an entity which you think in the form of Shiva or Krishna. God is the ultimate source which can not be define and is unquestionable. He certainly is the creator of this universe and as science is maturing we see that various different things are going towards unity. The ultimate unification theory.

 

[..:: Free Radical ::..]

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Come back @Aberforth & @Yamaraj.
Both your posts are always a good read.
As for the topic at large, dunno about God but I shun religion.

 

[prakhar18]

Re: ***science Or God?***

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class

On the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He

Asks one of his new students to stand and.....



Prof: So you believe in God?

Student: Absolutely, sir.



Prof: Is God good?

Student: Sure.



Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student: Yes.



Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed

To God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help

Others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God

Good then? Hmm?

Student is silent.



Prof: You can't answer, can you?

Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?

Student: Yes.



Prof: Is Satan good?

Student: No.



Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student: From...God...



Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this

World?

Student: Yes.



Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make

Everything. Correct?

Student: Yes.



Prof: So who created evil?

Student does not answer.



Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?

All these terrible things exist in the world, don't

They?

Student: Yes, sir.



Prof: So, who created them?

Student has no answer.



Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to

Identify and observe the world around you. Tell me,

Son...Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.



Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student: No, sir.



Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God,

Smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory?

Perception of God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.



Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.



Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable

Protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do?

You say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.



Prof: Yes Faith. And that is the problem science has.



Now the student said can I ask something to you

Professor.



Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.



Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.



Student: No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn

Of events.)



Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more

Heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat

Or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We

Can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but

We can't go any further after that. There is no such

Thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe

The absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is

Energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just

The absence of it. (There is pin-drop silence in the

Lecture theatre.)



Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such

A thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?



Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the

Absence of something.

You can have low light, normal light, bright light,

Flashing light... But if you have no light constantly,

You have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In

Reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able

To make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?



Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise

Is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?



Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of

Duality. You argue there is life and then there is

Death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the

Concept of God as something finite, something we can

Measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It

Uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen,

Much less fully understood either one. To view death

As the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact

That death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death

Is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it?

Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students?

That they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary

Process, yes, of course, I do.





Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your

Own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning

To realize where the argument is going.)



Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of

Evolution at work and cannot even prove that this

Process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching

Your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a

Preacher?



(The class is in uproar.)



Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever

Seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)



Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the

Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No

One appears to have done so. So, according to the

Established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable

Protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.

With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your

Lectures, sir?



(The room is silent. The professor stares at the

Student, his face unfathomable.)



Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god

Is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving &

Alive. .



WANT TO KNOW WHO THAT STUDENT WAS? This is a true

Story, and the student was none other than



DR. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, President of India.

 

[zyberboy]

Re: ***science Or God?***

prakhar18...good post!!

 

[Vyasram]

Re: ***science Or God?***

read this

*www.erikweijers.nl/pages/translations/psychology/the-origin-of-consciousness/summary.php

Julian Jaynes is to cognitive evolution as Charles Darwin is to biological evolution. Charles Darwin provided a coherent explanation of how life evolved from prior life forms. He explained how we got to where we are in terms of our physiology. Dr. Julian Jaynes, in this book, provides a coherent explanation of how consciousness evolved and why man is the only creature to have developed an abstract/introspective consciousness.
While this book was published in the 1970s, it still is repressed throughout the world because it implicitly smashes major paradigms of human life. For example, it convincingly explains that god and religion were used as a tool of transition from prehistoric man to modern man. This implies that god and religion are no longer necessary.

*www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=40344

@prakhar18

that's one of the dumbest things i've heard of. i think itz made up stuff, apjak cant be that dumb and neither can his professor be that dumb

reg darkness and heat:

i can do nothing but laugh at the professor's 'supposed' stupidity, but all athiests are not stupids

reg evolution:

why do people come to a conclusion b4 learning what evolution is actually, simply bcoz u dont see it doesn't mean that itz false. using carbon dating and a little anatomy/morphology , humans have almost completely understood evolution (near 99%) and the super theists are bashing that remaining 1% percent. can those ppl give me a simple radical explanation and proof for the existence of something called god ( dont tell me that this is being repeated by athiests again and again, i am repeating this question bcoz no one of u theists have answered it acceptably) . life is a miracle and i believe that there is no way for another supposed life/life-like form called god to exist

. simply bcoz it has been taught everywhere form schools to homes , for milleniums doesn't mean that god must exist. you must appreciate the unbelievable ability of humans to not let go of things that they believe is true

as for the professors brain, the probability of finding one in his head is very high (though not entirely possible coz that guy is so dumb ) and you dont need to break everyone's skull to prove that everyone got a brain ( learn probability ,dude)


@planetcall

dont ask me to re-say the same question , but i just gotta ask it again ,
"how was god created". if it wasn't created then it doesn't exist. if u think it doesn't have an end or a start , then the same thing applies to the universe. going by history , god was created by religion (due to superstitious stuff among ppl) and thus the god theory evolved, now ppl have learnt that those superstitions are fake stuff , but they still dont have the heart to leave the god part, and are using different protocols partly related to science like you do ( many humans have enormous will power when it comes to believing in something). now, had your parents/teachers haven't taught you about god, would you have developed this concept on your own it on your own ( if the answer is yes, you are this years' " Most Imaginative Person")

even if god exists and if he did create the universe, you dont need to pray him or thank him bcoz he doesn't give a f abt u. Or maybe he doesn't even know about you or who you are, he may not even know that life exists on earth. he wud be busy with the googols of alien civilizations and googolplexes of aliens. and finally, everything happenning in the universe must happen because of him( since there is no external force acting on the universe) and hence if you dont pray to god , itz not your fault; if you kill someone , itz not your fault; it you cheat your wife or anyone, itz not your fault......... This is the excuse used by SoaBs like b U s H and terrorists when they do bad things.

""since you got someone to blame something on , do whatever you want"" attitude is one of the possible ill-effects of theism . in athiesm, you control everything in you, not god, so you cant do any wrong thing

to sum it up, itz ignorance from the start of mankind and more ignorance to fight against this ignorance that lets the concept of god to live


dont forget to read the link stated at the beginning

 

[planetcall]

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@planetcall

dont ask me to re-say the same question , but i just gotta ask it again ,
"how was god created". if it wasn't created then it doesn't exist. if u think it doesn't have an end or a start , then the same thing applies to the universe. going by history , god was created by religion (due to superstitious stuff among ppl) and thus the god theory evolved, now ppl have learnt that those superstitions are fake stuff , but they still dont have the heart to leave the god part, and are using different protocols partly related to science like you do ( many humans have enormous will power when it comes to believing in something). now, had your parents/teachers haven't taught you about god, would you have developed this concept on your own it on your own ( if the answer is yes, you are this years' " Most Imaginative Person")

@Vyasram
Repetition seems to be a part of your posts. You dont read my posts carefully for sure else you might not have jumped on your question. Your question shows your failure to align with the fundamental principles of science. "Same thing applies to universe" is a fallacy as per science because Science denies an ideal state of universe and quests for the reasons. The failure of BigBang is owing to the fact that it starts from the fundamentally incorrect principle of ideal state. God was not created so it doesnt exist is your principle...because you treat Almighty to be a mortal entity like yourself and you know nothing of the science inscribed in Vedas. I trust in God and my explanations are well rooted in this thread. Had my parents and teachers failed to teach me the concept of God and the very foundation principles of our glorious Indian culture, I may have been another vyasram.
And yes.. I dont mind the title of being called the most imaginative person.

 

[Vyasram]

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wow, u ppl create ur own imaginary dimensions and define a new type of existence for god no matter how odd/illogical it seems. itz like this

someone creates something and when they ask proof for itz existence or itz birth, he says that he cant bcoz that thing is not in our 'League' and has itz very own dimensions. funnier thing is that it they say that it lasts forever and has no birth,no origin. A lot of Ppl say like this because they dont know how the universe is created and they dont want to know. the god concept is an alternative for them in the time-being just like that guy in the film 'Matrix' who says ,"ignorance is bliss"


they are afraid to face the truth and developed the god concept for their own satisfaction. ok, i dont know much abt higher science, so u may be right about the bing bang theory, a lot of science theories have been disproved in the past and this maybe one of them. but dont say that everything in the vedas are science, some of them are stupid imaginations as well. our might must be spent in resolving the puzzle of the formation of the universe and what was there b4 it; and we should not be pleased with a totally imaginary concept called god and be ignorant about everything.

imagine me, saying that we are actually living in a matrix and we cant get out of it or see it or know anything about it, but ppl just gotta believe it and should feel it. sounds stupid , with a probability of 1/(googolplex*2.1234325345*10^23) , but ppl wud start believing it soon enough. such is human nature. the same thing applies to the god concept which has a probability of (1/.45645645648*10^35 * googolplex)) and yet ppl blive it coz some nerd , thousands of years ago claimed so.

" Curiosity makes a human, a human;
Ignorance destoys the same "

Yet, no one ever has given me a satisfactory explanation/proof for the god concept(dont tell me that i just have to feel it --- itz like telling me that i'm an elephant in human clothing,in human form and that i just have to accept it without proof and i should just feel it so)


and i dont f'ing know why you are involving this thread and myself with the culture of our country. deal with the topic alone

 

[mediator]

Re: ***science Or God?***

they are afraid to face the truth and developed the god concept for their own satisfaction. ok, i dont know much abt higher science, so u may be right about the bing bang theory, a lot of science theories have been disproved in the past and this maybe one of them. but dont say that everything in the vedas are science, some of them are stupid imaginations as well. our might must be spent in resolving the puzzle of the formation of the universe and what was there b4 it; and we should not be pleased with a totally imaginary concept called god and be ignorant about everything.

As FYI, Vedas is a vast set of well accumulated scientific knowledge and observations, it defines ur way to live ur life, medication,music etc which is now just being reexplored by modern science. Neways can u throw some light as to what r those "stupid imaginations" in Vedas? Doesn't imagination and scientific observation contradict?

Take ur time and let us know.