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I would really like to know the extent of misuse of CBI under BJP.
Now please do some listing!
And yes, Hinduism is a religion, of many gods, and worshiping idols and the Ganga, etc.
The court came to the conclusion that the words "Hinduism" or "Hindutva" are not necessarily to be understood and construed narrowly, confined only to the strict Hindu religious practices unrelated to the culture and ethos of the People of India depicting the way of life of the Indian people. Unless the context of a speech indicates a contrary meaning or use, in the abstract, these terms are indicative more of a way of life of the Indian people. Unless the context of a speech indicates a contrary meaning or use, in the abstract, these terms are indicative more of a way of life of the Indian people and are not confined merely to describe persons practicing the Hindu religion as a faith" (Emphasis supplied). This clearly means that, by itself, the word "Hinduism" or "Hindutva" indicates the culture of the people of India as a whole, irrespective of whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews etc. The Supreme Court Bench has further observed that "the mere fact that these words (Hindutva or Hinduism) are used in the speech would not bring in within the prohibition of sub-section (3) or (3A) of Section 123. It may well be that these words are used in the speech to promote secularism and to emphasize the way of life of the Indian people and the Indian culture or ethos, or to criticize the policy of any political party as discriminatory or intolerant. Whether a particular speech in which a reference is made to Hindutva and or Hinduism falls within the prohibition under sub-section (3) or (3A) of Section 123 is therefore a question of fact in each case" (Emphasis supplied).
Please write a detailed comprehension in not less than 250 words explaining what you understood by these lines of mine and then read your own links.mediator said:Like I stated before (Post #87), I haven't seen a situation under BJP where CBI and other bodies are used against people who voice for the Nation (Anna, Ramdev etc). Can you please tell all the cases that you know of where CBI is used by BJP against its opponents and common man more importantly? Can you tell if BJP committed a scam and used CBI to manipulate evidence (e.g Coalgate) or where BJP used CBI to draw support on Bill (e.g CBi against SP on foodbill?)?
I would really like to know the extent of misuse of CBI under BJP.
Now please do some listing!
You have already lost my interest in your posts. But still I will keep it simple without going into details.Raaabo said:I just want to ask for one last clarifying point, do you believe in ANY religion? And yes, Hinduism is a religion, of many gods, and worshiping idols and the Ganga, etc.
Huh!@rhitwick - If you are going to quote me, then quote the complete thing
Please write a detailed comprehension in not less than 250 words explaining what you understood by these lines of mine and then read your own links.
I have not asked for CBI goofups, CBI actions and who complained to CBI. Again read what I have quoted of my own reply. Read very carefully and slowly this time.
“Behind the appearances of the universe there is the Reality of a Being and Consciousness, a Self of all things, one and eternal. All beings are united in that One Self and Spirit but divided by a certain separativity of consciousness, an ignorance of their true Self and Reality in the mind, life and body. It is possible by a certain psychological discipline to remove this veil of separative consciousness and become aware of the true Self, the Divinity within us and all…”
And to whom? Only a particular group of people. Again which is irrelevant as caste or "barnashram" would come into picture here.@rhitwick
Nobody wrote Veda. The hymns/Shrutis were handed down from one generation to another in oral form.
He's assumed to have written "Mahabharata".Later, the great sage Vedavyasa compiled and classified the Vedas into four parts.
Veda VyasaWhen he was young, all the knowledge of the past was available as one single Veda. (Veda means -That which is known). But when he wanted to teach the Veda to his students, he found that no one student had the ability to learn it all. So he divided it into 4 vedas, Puranas, UpaPuranas. And he asked different students to learn different Vedas. He himself documented the Mahabharata an itihasa like the Valmiki Ramayana.
IDK, what you wanted to mean by this post.Upanishads are the commentaries on the Vedic knowledge by various Rishis, and Gita is the practical essence of Vedic wisdom. No matter who wrote them, they belong to the same lineage and tradition i.e. the tradition of Self-Knowledge, or the Science of Consciousness.
Vedic knowledge traveled to present day boundary because of the oral tradition of India. Everything, from studies to music, to dance, has been orally imparted from one generation to another for centuries. There are Music gharanas of India dating back to 600-700 years at least. Every gharana has its own style of playing which has continued for centuries! And not only in India, the Vedic traditions have traveled all over the world because of many foreign students coming to India to learn native sciences, music, dance and then going back to their homeland and teaching there.
Again, have you ever even read what mediator posted about Veda? There were no specific 'GOD' mentioned in any 'Veda' neither in Upanishada. You just can't create a relation between the mentioned Gods and 'vedic tradition' here on your whim.Even architecture and culture traveled, as there are numerous Indian temples in many Asian countries like Indonesia. Vedic culture is still prevalent in many countries like Indonesia despite being the ‘Largest Muslim Population’, as their currency note contains the picture of Lord Ganesha. Indonesia Airlines is called Garuda-Indonesia, named after the Vishnu’s vehicle Garuda. The mascot of Military Intelligence in Indonesia is Hanuman. Such is the cultural influence of Vedic traditions. Had it (Ganesha, Hanuman) been on Indian currency or Military, they would have been labeled as ‘communal’.
So why do you think the 'self knowledge' was transferred to generations by 'rishi-muni's in old time if they can be recovered again?I don’t want to go into the geographical discussion as what matters to me is the culture, which was prevalent in the land of current India and many other countries. And that culture still survives. I’d rather like to go into the philosophy and sciences like Yoga, Ayurveda because it’s what really matters. Even if the Veda or Gita is lost, they can be recovered by self-knowledge again.
You first need to have a basic knowledge about the Vedic tradition. Puranas are not 4, they are Vedas. Such a childish knowledge about it and you think you are qualified enough to debate on it?
So do we just abandon the Gods you just mentioned Indonesia use or the various Gods that are worshipped throughout India? So what do we do with them?There may be many declared Gods, but the ‘essence’ of Vedic knowledge, according to Sri Aurobindo is that-
I'm not talking about any god related book or a very spiritual book but a collection of folk tales. Tales that are documented now whereas for centuries they were told to generations in different tribes only via mouth. A less glorified form of 'Shruti' I guess. And about knowledge, may not be very deep but at least a pattern forms infront of you. A pattern which shows how these tribes staying unrealed to each other for ages thought same way. Created a God for same objects and then worshipped them.You are nobody to say that ‘best knowledge comes from local stories’. Sorry but that’s a ridiculously funny statement. It’s like saying ‘best knowledge about Maths can come from a nursery book’. I don’t know which book are you claiming to read, but there is no shortage of crap hovering around in Indian book market. So better read from authentic sources instead of falling for local stories.
@amjath
I never personally dropped any Ganesha into sea, neither have I spent a single buck on crackers since when I grew up (in childhood, it was an excitement because of ignorance). Such practices have evolved from people with lower understanding, but why target only them? That's everywhere, in any group, sect, or community, whether it's the mass slaughtering of animals on Eid, or tomato festival in Spain. Even the so called modern science conducts experiments by torturing innocent animals! Kindly broaden your view of things instead of falling for selective amnesia.
@amjath
I never personally dropped any Ganesha into sea, neither have I spent a single buck on crackers since when I grew up (in childhood, it was an excitement because of ignorance). Such practices have evolved from people with lower understanding, but why target only them? That's everywhere, in any group, sect, or community, whether it's the mass slaughtering of animals on Eid, or tomato festival in Spain. Even the so called modern science conducts experiments by torturing innocent animals! Kindly broaden your view of things instead of falling for selective amnesia.
I dont know whether you guys [and who says mass slaughtering blah blah blah] went to school or not. Have u heard about food chain and food web.
If u go to a meat shop [non muslim shop] u can see that slits the throat of the animal and immediately breaks the neck from the spinal cord. Thats painful and brutal. The way the muslim do is not brutal.
One personal question Do u drink Milk??