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[Raaabo]

Indian Economy Going down

@mediator, I just want clarity of thought, and when I get time to shift this debate to another thread with an appropriate title, it will make more sense and be easier to follow for everyone, myself included. Have I read every word you wrote, no, on a phone with 5 pt font with the long posts made here and links to so many sites and other threads and posts, I cannot. However, I am able to tell when things are getting out of control and a heated debate is hurting sentiments of a community. Fight club to fight each other, sure, but we should try and keep it civil as well, and not be reduced to calling people ignorant, or entire religions evil tribes or whatever.

Personally I love debates, because they always teach me more points of view, regardless of whether I agree with said points of view or not. I just want to ask for one last clarifying point, do you believe in ANY religion? And yes, Hinduism is a religion, of many gods, and worshiping idols and the Ganga, etc.

Since I really haven't been around much to follow all of your posts in various threads, I'd like to ask you to describe your beliefs or lack of them so as to get a better understanding on where you're coming from.

For example, I am somewhere between agnostic and atheist, anti-superstition, and science minded, needing proof of at least mathematics and logic before I believe in something. While many religions claim to explain everything, I choose to believe that we are still learning, and it is only science - which in a sense is a "belief" that has the most unanswered questions - that is the true path to understanding the universe and ourselves. I also feel it takes guts to be scientifically minded, because we know we will certainly die NOT knowing all the answers, unlike those of other beliefs.

Again, I would be very happy to debate your and my personal beliefs, on a personal level, and everyone is welcome to add their own views to that - however lets stick to why we believe what we do, rather than just ridiculing major religions or belief systems. Does that sound fair to everyone?

 

[whitestar_999]

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[Raaabo]

Indian Economy Going down

And there's another post that I will delete when cleaning up. Let's not make it personal please. If it's in another on topic thread, and it's my time being wasted, and I have no complaints what difference does it make? I think mediator and me can speak for ourselves, thanks

 

[rhitwick]

I would really like to know the extent of misuse of CBI under BJP.

Now please do some listing!

Here you go. Now please go through them and analyze it.

CBI raids in India since 1999 to April, 2004 (The Telegraph)

The Telegraph - Calcutta : Nation (Wednesday, July 09, 2003)
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Bengal (Sunday, January 11, 2004 CBI raid on colliery)
The Telegraph - North East (Friday, July 11, 2003)
The Telegraph - Ranchi ( Monday, October 27, 2003 Coal giant gasps for new lease of life - Corruption and mismanagement hamper growth of Coal India Limited )
The Telegraph - Jharkhand (Tuesday, November 12, 2002 Cop in CBI net for ‘fake’ encounter )
*www.telegraphindia.com/1031009/asp/nation/story_2442731.asp(Thursday, October 09, 2003 CBI sleuths today searched two residences of former Uttar Pradesh chief minister Mayavati and 19 other places)
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Metro (Sunday, January 04, 2004 CBI raid on CalTel engineer )
*www.telegraphindia.com/1010721/index.htm(Saturday, July 21 2001 CBI RAID ON AXED UTI CHIEF)
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Nation
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Nation
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Jharkhand
The Telegraph - Calcutta
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Frontpage
The Telegraph - Calcutta (I-T official in CBI bribe net)
*www.telegraphindia.com/1000624/national.htm#head1
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Nation (Ex-minister charged in housing scam)
The East

The Telegraph - Calcutta : Nation
Man found hanging
Calcutta: A 59-year-old man from Madhyamgram who was questioned on Friday by CBI officials was found hanging in his bathroom the next day. Amal Roy, reported to be close to state BJP youth leader Rahul Sinha, was quizzed on a scam related to distribution of phone bills.

The Telegraph - Calcutta (‘POACHER’ TEHELKA HUNTED BY CBI)
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Frontpage
The Telegraph - Ranchi
*www.telegraphindia.com/1020715/editoria.htm#head3 (Aha Prevention of Corruption Act!)
*www.telegraphindia.com/1001202/national.htm#head5
The East

And, I'll get back to you on #87 and #89

b/w I hope, like I did my homework, you too doing the one I gave you..."step by step guide to bring Black Money home"

 

[rishitells]

And yes, Hinduism is a religion, of many gods, and worshiping idols and the Ganga, etc.

If Hinduism is a religion, then answer some questions about this 'religion', and KINDLY don't avoid them..-

1. Which is the holy book of Hinduism, that lays the guidelines and provides a uniform belief system for all of it's followers?

2. In which scripture or holy book, the "name" of the religion Hinduism is mentioned? In which book, it is written that Krishna or Rama is a God in the religion 'Hinduism'. Or tell the name of any 'prophet' who has said that Krishna or Rama is a God in Hinduism.

3. What is the criteria for a person to be a Hindu? A Muslim has some rules for being a Muslim, like 5 times Namaz. What is it that makes a person a Hindu? Don't say worshiping idols, or Janeu because they are traditions which need not to be followed.

4. Kindly comment on this observation by Indian Supreme Court

The court came to the conclusion that the words "Hinduism" or "Hindutva" are not necessarily to be understood and construed narrowly, confined only to the strict Hindu religious practices unrelated to the culture and ethos of the People of India depicting the way of life of the Indian people. Unless the context of a speech indicates a contrary meaning or use, in the abstract, these terms are indicative more of a way of life of the Indian people. Unless the context of a speech indicates a contrary meaning or use, in the abstract, these terms are indicative more of a way of life of the Indian people and are not confined merely to describe persons practicing the Hindu religion as a faith" (Emphasis supplied). This clearly means that, by itself, the word "Hinduism" or "Hindutva" indicates the culture of the people of India as a whole, irrespective of whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews etc. The Supreme Court Bench has further observed that "the mere fact that these words (Hindutva or Hinduism) are used in the speech would not bring in within the prohibition of sub-section (3) or (3A) of Section 123. It may well be that these words are used in the speech to promote secularism and to emphasize the way of life of the Indian people and the Indian culture or ethos, or to criticize the policy of any political party as discriminatory or intolerant. Whether a particular speech in which a reference is made to Hindutva and or Hinduism falls within the prohibition under sub-section (3) or (3A) of Section 123 is therefore a question of fact in each case" (Emphasis supplied).

According to your logic, every person who practices Yoga is a Hindu, because Yoga originated from the Vedas and pioneered by Patanjali. every person who takes Ayurvedic medicines is a Hindu, because of Vedic origin. every person who learns Indian Classical Music, which is evolved from Gandharva Veda, is a Hindu...?

 

[BombayBoy]

@Raaabo
It looks like a discussion of people's political & religious beliefs.

For the facts being pointed out to "Hindu/ism" not being a religion, I just realised that I was living with a false belief that I'm a Hindu. Every place where they asked for a religion - Hindu was my answer. But looks like we have been mislead for generations.

 

[mediator]

@rhitwick - If you are going to quote me, then quote the complete thing

Like I stated before (Post #87), I haven't seen a situation under BJP where CBI and other bodies are used against people who voice for the Nation (Anna, Ramdev etc). Can you please tell all the cases that you know of where CBI is used by BJP against its opponents and common man more importantly? Can you tell if BJP committed a scam and used CBI to manipulate evidence (e.g Coalgate) or where BJP used CBI to draw support on Bill (e.g CBi against SP on foodbill?)?

I would really like to know the extent of misuse of CBI under BJP.

Now please do some listing!

Please write a detailed comprehension in not less than 250 words explaining what you understood by these lines of mine and then read your own links.

I have not asked for CBI goofups, CBI actions and who complained to CBI. Again read what I have quoted of my own reply. Read very carefully and slowly this time.

I just want to ask for one last clarifying point, do you believe in ANY religion? And yes, Hinduism is a religion, of many gods, and worshiping idols and the Ganga, etc.

You have already lost my interest in your posts. But still I will keep it simple without going into details.

I live in a world where religion or any of these "isms" have no meaning. I can hold Gita, Upanishads, Zend Avesta, Paulo Coelho, the works of scientists, Tao of Physics, Chess books, Guitar tutorials, Ragas, Mathematics etc without finding connection to what "religion" that have been tagged to by the illiterates.

I can randomly listen to music and put a song to my collection list without trying to find out what genre it belongs to and then falling a trap to the lowly discussion on whether Pop is better or Rock. Someone has already notified you the difference between Abrahamic religions and Indian science which you have ignored as usual. For me life is not about finding the best for that is subjective to everyone, but rather how to make best of everything that is available.

So there you have your answer => I don't believe in any religion. Hinduism is religion by the acts of people attached to superstition and busy making deals with the so called gods. Similarly atheism is a religion for me, where atheists usually have condescending attitude towards theists and busy worshipping money, booze, scientists and fancying with science instead of understanding it in detail to achieve a level which can enable it to question that very science.

In that perspective, astik is one who after some serious digging, questioning the Veda itself, understanding its concepts and the higher science through his own understanding authorizes the Veda to be absolute science. Here a shruti (the heard) has been affirmed. Same goes for Upanishads and Gita etc. Veda as you might know comes from the root word Vid (to know), bhagvad-gita from bhagvad-geet (divine song), brahma from (bhr) to grow and hence most of the Vedic symbology is not just a name but an experience of the higher unlike names in English which provide a bland and conrete mugging! Similarly, with that experience the one beyond time and space is called "Mahakaal" who is at the top of the heirarchy of the devas (agni/will, Indra/mind-intellect, Vayu/different-breaths etc) and hence called Mahadev as well. Our own body here is seen as a mountain and at the top of that the highest level consciousness is sitting. Hence Mahadev can be found only at Kailash (science of consciousness explained through a story). Perhaps, you are conditioned to "believe" that drinking, bozzing, earning is the only aim of life and perhaps reading some quotes and behave well. You have no idea what your mind and body are capable of! You are attached to technology, but what if your mind can enable you of something that is even better than technology? Again, before you assume, I'm not trying to put technology down!

If you understand anything from the above, then you'd also understand how astik is contrary to the word theism. Regarding temples, they used to be places of science research and research on consciousness. Google for dhruv STambh, Konark temple, history of Jantar Mantar. Just like how you'd find quotes regarding teeth and gums in a dentist's lab, similarly you'd find quotes from veda and Upanisads etc in temples as well. It is quite natural. I have linked more of my replies to you which you have ignored though which explain on Shiva-Shakti, Vishnu and his snake etc. If you goto the places like Hampi, the guide alone would tell what these riddles are on the walls where two snakes are trying to eat a rabit. I guess you have never visited these "communal" places or places of "belief" that you happily state as.

Let me ask a simple question. If you try to meditate, there is a state where the experience of body itself dilutes. What remains is "I", but after sometime that "I" also dilutes and you remain in an experience where there is no "I" or disconnection from "that". Just like if you put a drop in teh ocean, then you cannot say that the drop is here or there. The drop has become the entire ocean! If your physical body is killed in that state of yog, what is the guarantee that the "Experience" will also vanish? Remember, you have already transcended the experience of the body!

Similarly, many times it happens during dreaming that one loses a sense of his body or whether he is breathing at all. If someone shoots you in the head in the midst of that dream what is the guarantee that your dream will be broken?

Now try to understand what a Samadhi means.

I would request you to empathise of what I say before you start making random conclusions. The science of consciousness briefed by Upanishands, Gita, Buddhist Sutras, the chakras and the science based on it e.g vaisheshika, Ayurveda etc are too broad and scientific to be narrowed to an umbrella term with an "ism". Did Buddha create Buddhism and Mahavira Jainism? Have you ever read the texts of GuruGranth sahib? If you are still conditioned and attached to the meaning of religion to be seeing all these isms as some religion, then you cannot say I'm pro-Hindu. I can be Pro-Buddh, Pro-Jainism, Pro-Sikhism as well. FYI, yog is integral to all these sciences which you because of your conditionings reduced to a "ism" and hence religion. For that matter I'm pro Zend-Avestan science as well. Now will you call me pro-Iran and Iranian culture?

I know you have not read any of these and hence I requested you to read and give it some 5 years or the same amount of time you give to technology or the field of knowledge you adore, before making the next statement. You would have saved a lot of time of yours alone in understanding instead of playing "You Vs Me".


Whoever says Indian science is a religion is mocking his own intelligence!

 

[rhitwick]

@rhitwick - If you are going to quote me, then quote the complete thing


Please write a detailed comprehension in not less than 250 words explaining what you understood by these lines of mine and then read your own links.

I have not asked for CBI goofups, CBI actions and who complained to CBI. Again read what I have quoted of my own reply. Read very carefully and slowly this time.

Huh!
You asked to list CBI raids under BJP rule, I gave you that. There are links of how CBI raids had happened to opposition parties, ex-ministers and common men.
Do your work now and read 'em. I've read them, you know.

b/w still no post from you about that black money issue. Why are you avoiding that?

And what is this Hinduism or Indianness you were blabbering since the beginning.

You yourself admitted that there were no 'hinduism' as there were no Hindu religion. This term is coined by foreigners, mainly invaders to recognise the inhabitants of people living the shore of 'Sindhu' river. I posted you texts by historians where its clearly mentioned that there were no defined boundary of present day India.
Who wrote that Veda? who wrote that Upanishada? the Geeta? Can pinpoint the area in map of the then map of land?
After that it would be necessary to show how that knowledge traveled in the land having present day boundary?
Then it would be required to show how many tribes or states were actually practicing the virtues or following the texts mentioned in veda and agreed to it?

Then it would be required to point out how modern day 'bharat' actually got defined? The then land boundary. How much were included with respect to preset day 'bharat' border or excluded?
After its established how the unification happened what did the inhabitants follow as 'religion'? Were all of them as spiritual and knowledgeable as you claim them to be?
If not, what percentage actually followed the concept you mentioned as 'dharma' and 'religion' and how many just followed present day distorted version of 'religion'?

There are books. Religious books. Our Ramayana, our Mahabharata, our 'Purana's (4 of them) where its mentioned about different gods. Which clashes with your theory of 'Hindu' religion never talking about different gods rather one god...

Best knowledge comes from local stories of ancient times.

There is this book of collection of local stores of throughout India (considering present day land boundary). I was astonished reading them how each state (and the then tribes) discussed about creation of earth, their land, their food, and Gods. But each version different. Different god everywhere, they functioned differently, powers different. But, never I read about this one god, atma/paramatma thing.

b/w Raaabo told one thing correct though. You sound arrogant and pompous. You claim to know everything and anyone having different opinion is wrong. Why can't that opinion be right?
You quoted few verses from Quran and we've to take them on face value. We can't claim that they might been quoted out of context whereas anything posted against your claim can be termed be you as its quoted out of context.
I've told ago, telling again. You are an expert of Veda, Upanishada and Geeta may be. But till now I've hardly seen who practise Islam in daily life posting here. may be true meaning (and their side of story) can be presented then.

b/w what is your take on Swami Vivekanada's take on Hinduism and spirituality?

 

[rishitells]

@rhitwick

Nobody wrote Veda. The hymns/Shrutis were handed down from one generation to another in oral form. Later, the great sage Vedavyasa compiled and classified the Vedas into four parts. Upanishads are the commentaries on the Vedic knowledge by various Rishis, and Gita is the practical essence of Vedic wisdom. No matter who wrote them, they belong to the same lineage and tradition i.e. the tradition of Self-Knowledge, or the Science of Consciousness.
Vedic knowledge traveled to present day boundary because of the oral tradition of India. Everything, from studies to music, to dance, has been orally imparted from one generation to another for centuries. There are Music gharanas of India dating back to 600-700 years at least. Every gharana has its own style of playing which has continued for centuries! And not only in India, the Vedic traditions have traveled all over the world because of many foreign students coming to India to learn native sciences, music, dance and then going back to their homeland and teaching there.

Even architecture and culture traveled, as there are numerous Vedic style temples in many Asian countries like Indonesia. Vedic culture is still prevalent in many countries like Indonesia despite being the ‘Largest Muslim Population’, as their currency note contains the picture of Lord Ganesha. Indonesia Airlines is called Garuda-Indonesia, named after the Vishnu’s vehicle Garuda. The mascot of Military Intelligence in Indonesia is Hanuman. Such is the cultural influence of Vedic traditions. Had it (Ganesha, Hanuman) been on Indian currency or Military, they would have been labeled as ‘communal’.

I don’t want to go into the geographical discussion as what matters to me is the culture, which was prevalent in the land of current India and many other countries. And that culture still survives. I’d rather like to go into the philosophy and sciences like Yoga, Ayurveda because it’s what really matters. Even if the Veda or Gita is lost, they can be recovered by self-knowledge again.

You first need to have a basic knowledge about the Vedic tradition. Puranas are not 4, they are Vedas. Such a childish knowledge about it and you think you are qualified enough to debate on it?
There may be many declared Gods, but the ‘essence’ of Vedic knowledge, according to Sri Aurobindo is that-

“Behind the appearances of the universe there is the Reality of a Being and Consciousness, a Self of all things, one and eternal. All beings are united in that One Self and Spirit but divided by a certain separativity of consciousness, an ignorance of their true Self and Reality in the mind, life and body. It is possible by a certain psychological discipline to remove this veil of separative consciousness and become aware of the true Self, the Divinity within us and all…”

You are nobody to say that ‘best knowledge comes from local stories’. Sorry but that’s a ridiculously funny statement. It’s like saying ‘best knowledge about Maths can come from a nursery book’. I don’t know which book are you claiming to read, but there is no shortage of crap hovering around in Indian book market. So better read from authentic sources (Scriptures themselves) instead of falling for local stories.

 

[theterminator]

there is no doubt Islam promotes violence against other religions. Its self evident with what is happening in all parts of the planet (especially middle east)... Have said this before , what kind of religion is one where killing an animal becomes a festival. The Quranic verses are self explanatory, one doesnt need to dig much to find what degree of inferiority it attaches to other religions. Practicing Wahabism has resulted in the 100s of terror groups whose favourite sport is suicide bombing. All Islamists should practice Sufism.
By the way, NOTHING of this sort of allegiance to violence has been found in Hindu texts, scriptures.

 

[amjath]

Please answer this why do u make an idol [ganesha] and drop it into the sea?
Why do u spend lots of money on crackers and burst them?
Not hurting anyone's feelings here just answer them in short

OT: Title change, when did this happen

 

[Raaabo]

Sorry, I tried going through the thread to segregate, and it's impossible, so I changed the thread title itself. Apologies to the OP, but unavoidable.

 

[rishitells]

@amjath

I never personally dropped any Ganesha into sea, neither have I spent a single buck on crackers since when I grew up (in childhood, it was an excitement because of ignorance). Such practices have evolved from people with lower understanding, but why target only them? That's everywhere, in any group, sect, or community, whether it's the mass slaughtering of animals on Eid, or tomato festival in Spain. Even the so called modern science conducts experiments by torturing innocent animals! Kindly broaden your view of things instead of falling for selective amnesia.

 

[Skyh3ck]

i never thought there are so many intelligent people on this forum, @rishitells you have very in depth knowledge of world religions, and especially i agree with you that there is no such religion as "Hinduism", its a way of life and i am happy to live like that, there are no rules to follow, even if you study deep, there is no concept of GOD also, its just finding yourself, like "Purush" and "Prakriti" , but this kind of knowledge is not worth to be discussed with mind less people, who dont know the fact.

@Raaabo "Hinduism" is no religion, there is no such word in any of the puranas, vedas etc. you need to accpet this fact.

 

[rishitells]

@Skyh3ck I appreciate your kind feedback. I am just a curious human being, having interest in Indian Philosophy, Sciences and especially Indian Classical Music.

 

[rhitwick]

Re: Indian Economy Going down

@rhitwick

Nobody wrote Veda. The hymns/Shrutis were handed down from one generation to another in oral form.

And to whom? Only a particular group of people. Again which is irrelevant as caste or "barnashram" would come into picture here.

Rest of your posts are laughable. Even Mediator would want to correct you on this and I bet he would tell you more clerly than me. Still let me point out the gaps in knowledge you have.

Later, the great sage Vedavyasa compiled and classified the Vedas into four parts.

He's assumed to have written "Mahabharata".
And, its also assumed he merely divided Veda into four parts. Not compiled rather it was believed to be one whole thing and he split it.

When he was young, all the knowledge of the past was available as one single Veda. (Veda means -That which is known). But when he wanted to teach the Veda to his students, he found that no one student had the ability to learn it all. So he divided it into 4 vedas, Puranas, UpaPuranas. And he asked different students to learn different Vedas. He himself documented the Mahabharata an itihasa like the Valmiki Ramayana.

Veda Vyasa

Upanishads are the commentaries on the Vedic knowledge by various Rishis, and Gita is the practical essence of Vedic wisdom. No matter who wrote them, they belong to the same lineage and tradition i.e. the tradition of Self-Knowledge, or the Science of Consciousness.
Vedic knowledge traveled to present day boundary because of the oral tradition of India. Everything, from studies to music, to dance, has been orally imparted from one generation to another for centuries. There are Music gharanas of India dating back to 600-700 years at least. Every gharana has its own style of playing which has continued for centuries! And not only in India, the Vedic traditions have traveled all over the world because of many foreign students coming to India to learn native sciences, music, dance and then going back to their homeland and teaching there.

IDK, what you wanted to mean by this post.
Its really essential to set-up a timeline I can't take things on face-value just because YOU told them. After all these meaningless blabbering of both sides its really required to provide some concrete verifiable proof. I need that timeline. Work on it.

Even architecture and culture traveled, as there are numerous Indian temples in many Asian countries like Indonesia. Vedic culture is still prevalent in many countries like Indonesia despite being the ‘Largest Muslim Population’, as their currency note contains the picture of Lord Ganesha. Indonesia Airlines is called Garuda-Indonesia, named after the Vishnu’s vehicle Garuda. The mascot of Military Intelligence in Indonesia is Hanuman. Such is the cultural influence of Vedic traditions. Had it (Ganesha, Hanuman) been on Indian currency or Military, they would have been labeled as ‘communal’.

Again, have you ever even read what mediator posted about Veda? There were no specific 'GOD' mentioned in any 'Veda' neither in Upanishada. You just can't create a relation between the mentioned Gods and 'vedic tradition' here on your whim.

I don’t want to go into the geographical discussion as what matters to me is the culture, which was prevalent in the land of current India and many other countries. And that culture still survives. I’d rather like to go into the philosophy and sciences like Yoga, Ayurveda because it’s what really matters. Even if the Veda or Gita is lost, they can be recovered by self-knowledge again.

So why do you think the 'self knowledge' was transferred to generations by 'rishi-muni's in old time if they can be recovered again?
You won't go into geographical discussion because.....it does not suit you. It does not work that way. You would answer half of the questions and then decide rest do not 'mater' to you. Either answer my queries or stop posting anything at all about anything I asked here.

You first need to have a basic knowledge about the Vedic tradition. Puranas are not 4, they are Vedas. Such a childish knowledge about it and you think you are qualified enough to debate on it?

Dude, I never denied that there are not 4 vedas. And just for your information there are 4 major Puranas we have and total 18 puranas including those 4. Do your homework first before opening your mouth here.
*srivedavyasa.org/Puranas.htm

There may be many declared Gods, but the ‘essence’ of Vedic knowledge, according to Sri Aurobindo is that-

So do we just abandon the Gods you just mentioned Indonesia use or the various Gods that are worshipped throughout India? So what do we do with them?

If Rishi AAurobindo's explanation is to be believed how can I follow all these Gods. There is some fundamental issue at the very beginning. If Veda actually teaches us about Atma and Paramatma and one God how these beings came into Picture? Are they real or imagined?

You are nobody to say that ‘best knowledge comes from local stories’. Sorry but that’s a ridiculously funny statement. It’s like saying ‘best knowledge about Maths can come from a nursery book’. I don’t know which book are you claiming to read, but there is no shortage of crap hovering around in Indian book market. So better read from authentic sources instead of falling for local stories.

I'm not talking about any god related book or a very spiritual book but a collection of folk tales. Tales that are documented now whereas for centuries they were told to generations in different tribes only via mouth. A less glorified form of 'Shruti' I guess. And about knowledge, may not be very deep but at least a pattern forms infront of you. A pattern which shows how these tribes staying unrealed to each other for ages thought same way. Created a God for same objects and then worshipped them.

This pattern I'm talking about. This also shows that the knowledge of Veda did not actually flow all over the then un-divided India like you all claim to be. Thus such gaps in continuity.

///Did I just post in a new thread?!! How did that happen?
///Got it, title change!

 

[Anorion]

have copy of gita. Its full of more offending verses. And lets not even start on manu smriti.
Its easy to remember only razed temples and forget about moghul miniatures that immortalized hindu myths

Some posts about islam are as bad as prabhupada saying all nobel prize winners are donkeys

If you look at religious texts as a continuum based on the time they came up, there is increasing focus on texts, books, knowledge and technology.

The indian science has reduced to cults of godmen, to whom people are losing friends and relatives. It barely survives as an alternative institutional setup for relevant knowledge. If babas were teaching radio broadcasting through oral traditions, then would agree that it is indian science.

 

[Skyh3ck]

@amjath

I never personally dropped any Ganesha into sea, neither have I spent a single buck on crackers since when I grew up (in childhood, it was an excitement because of ignorance). Such practices have evolved from people with lower understanding, but why target only them? That's everywhere, in any group, sect, or community, whether it's the mass slaughtering of animals on Eid, or tomato festival in Spain. Even the so called modern science conducts experiments by torturing innocent animals! Kindly broaden your view of things instead of falling for selective amnesia.

 

[amjath]

@amjath

I never personally dropped any Ganesha into sea, neither have I spent a single buck on crackers since when I grew up (in childhood, it was an excitement because of ignorance). Such practices have evolved from people with lower understanding, but why target only them? That's everywhere, in any group, sect, or community, whether it's the mass slaughtering of animals on Eid, or tomato festival in Spain. Even the so called modern science conducts experiments by torturing innocent animals! Kindly broaden your view of things instead of falling for selective amnesia.

I dont know whether you guys [and who says mass slaughtering blah blah blah] went to school or not. Have u heard about food chain and food web.
If u go to a meat shop [non muslim shop] u can see that slits the throat of the animal and immediately breaks the neck from the spinal cord. Thats painful and brutal. The way the muslim do is not brutal.

One personal question Do u drink Milk??

 

[snap]

going by some of the recent posts i think we should have a veg vs non veg thread