Is God an Alien?

[karnivore]

^^ and what is breaking out of shell. Is it starting to believe in doG. Now, is that "breaking out of shell" or getting into it.

And since you are so "definite" that there is doG, can you please enlighten us about how you came to the conclusion.

 

[praka123]

^sorry I dont want to be a laughing stock by explaining my experience.
It would not fit this bunch of atheists. OK I will refrain from posting in this thread now!

 

[confused]

^sorry I dont want to be a laughing stock by explaining my experience.
It would not fit this bunch of atheists.

where's the self confidence mate? i am ready to listen [rather read] with an open mind .....

OK I will refrain from posting in this thread now!

yeah i've felt the same when outnumbered in certain threads ....... LOL

 

[xbonez]

@praka : dude, why do you insist on thrusting your views on others?? what u are saying is your perspective and i respect that. i am simply saying, let everyone think for oneself. you do not need to think for us

 

[sandeepk]

The main article takes many ideas from the works of author Erich von Däniken. He was one of the first to introduce this idea by his book 'Chariots Of The Gods?'. Please do try to read it.

 

[Faun]

there is no god but some of the human are more divine. But am not talking abt the ones shown in TV...lol...they are simply gaining name and fame.

Can u reverse the laws of nature ? Can u predict the time of ur physical death ? Atleast they can.

 

[naveen_reloaded]

wht next ???

whenever somebody talks about god i cant stop laughing....

 

[Faun]

^^u r so materialistic I cant stop laughing

You only see what u wanted to. So its not your fault...lol

 

[legolas]

^ ^ similar to Madonna - Frozen.. "you only see what your eyes want to see"...

good one!

 

[kumarmohit]

By what follows I do not mean to hurt anyone so please no flaming.

I have seen a number of atheists who make fun of believers. On the second breath they also complain that they are not allowed to have their views.

The reason is simple, just because you are atheists does not make you special and you are as bound to respect those who believe as they are also free to have their opinion as you r free to have your own.

Respect and be respected and if you can not, do not complain that you get paid back in the same coin.

Disclaimer: By no means am I saying that all atheists and men of faith do this to each other. My words are directed to those who do!

 

[karnivore]

...just because you are atheists does not make you special...

O yes it does. It takes a lot to swim against the current. Not everybody can point out that the king is naked. Try it and u will know what i mean.

But i do agree with u....everybody has a right to air her opinion. And in the age of Internet, one doesn't even have to know what one is talking about.

 

[kumarmohit]

O yes it does. It takes a lot to swim against the current. Not everybody can point out that the king is naked. Try it and u will know what i mean.

This is not being special, this is being chauvinist. Any one who thinks he is the correct and therefore special person commits the same mistake regardless of which side it is.

The very first thing that you must know is this tends to look like insecurity. The people of other side are not out to get you regardless you are a believer or an atheist.

Remember someone said that I might not agree with you but I would always agree that you have the right to believe what you believe and not be criticised for it. When you start thinking you are special you start to think that you are superior, colloquially put you start to think of yourself as god. Which ironically makes you a scion of the very thing you oppose in the first place.

 

[karnivore]

This is not being special, this is being chauvinist. Any one who thinks he is the correct and therefore special person commits the same mistake regardless of which side it is.

I don't think i said i am special because i am correct. I said, atheists are special, because they dare to think beyond the generally accepted views, because they dare to seek answers instead of accepting everything on the face value. They are special NOT because they are correct, but BECAUSE they QUESTION. Whether they are correct or not is a separate issue altogether.

The very first thing that you must know is this tends to look like insecurity. The people of other side are not out to get you regardless you are a believer or an atheist.

Insecurity part is your personal opinion. You are more than welcome to look at it in any way you like, although i would definitely like to know exactly why u call it "insecurity".

And yes people are "not out to get" me. I agree. At the same time i am not out there to get you, either. Its a debate and people give points and counter points. That does not mean that everybody is trying to get everyone else.

Remember someone said that I might not agree with you but I would always agree that you have the right to believe what you believe and not be criticised for it

I have never heard of that quote. But probably u are making the following quote by Voltaire

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

I guess i agreed with u regarding this. Didn't i. Do you really believe that without "criticism" civilization can go even a step forward. Of course, by criticism i don't mean the boorish manner that we indulge in, by criticism i mean counter-points.

When you start thinking you are special you start to think that you are superior, colloquially put you start to think of yourself as god. Which ironically makes you a scion of the very thing you oppose in the first place.

U can't think anything beyond doG, can u. Why else would u compare superiority to doG. Frankly, i didn't get that equation.

I don't think i am superior or anything. Believing in something, that has continued to be believed and preached since the time of cro-magnon man does not require too much of brainstorming. Even a guy who has never been to school finds it much easier to believe the same thing. Being able to undo this systematic social brainwashing about religion and doG, i do think, that i and all other atheists, have been able to swim successfully against the tide. Now its upto you to interpret it. Special or Ordinary.

PS: Sorry for the diversion of topic.

 

[legolas]

The reason is simple, just because you are atheists does not make you special and you are as bound to respect those who believe as they are also free to have their opinion as you r free to have your own. Respect and be respected and if you can not, do not complain that you get paid back in the same coin.

You must have mistaken. It happens the other way around. Its religious people (who again don't follow religion not even to the closest sense) or the God-fearing people (who mostly pray when things don't go as planned) who curse people who are agnostics or atheists. Read "The Gold Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Do you know how many closet atheists are there and are simply unwilling to come front because of the pressure they face if you express your views?? see this

Its you (people) who should start respecting. At least now, there are some books about the concept of atheism and why its also a rational concept. Simply put, its the majority who criticize and mock the minorities (in all issues for that matter) preening over their decisions and mocking others as egoistic and not the other way round!!

Most of the people who believe in the concept of God or in religion are most probably influenced right from bed-time stories which are usually told to pave the child in a right way.. to distinguish between right and wrong and choose to do always right and by inducing fear that there is a person whom we cant see and that he will punish you if you do bad...
But, the real deal is that not many of them would have had a second thought about if there is such a thing.. why?? because their parents believe in it.. and right from the start they are kind of forced to believe in it. In my opinion, its those people who have found themselves misleading or unconvincing regarding these beliefs and concepts who get converted... And this rational individuality which has prompted them to take the step and "reanalyze" is what you call as "special" may be!!?? I don't think personally they are special (or at least any other "valid" and "logical" reason why they should be). Also, in my humblest opinion.. just like "circumcision" is becoming a big issue (not because of the fact that @mediator mentioned somewhere else that it has no special purpose or use... may be, may be not..) but that is not the real argument, but the fact is that.. the child is not given the CHOICE>>> Its kind of forced, saying its for your own Good (which hasn't in reality proven to be Good say unlike a polio or small pox vaccine)... if any, the child should somehow be given the choice to choose and not adopted to religion without his consent or choice!!

If that is the case... Alice in Wonderland, Santa Claus, Talking snake in Eden garden (from the video), Unicorn, Lapricorns blah blah everything should be believed in because they are also told to make you interested in life... to train you better... to make you feel good that you should be good otherwise Santa wouldn't give you present.. but why do they tell the children at later point of stage that Santa doesn't exist??? They don't know that either.. do they??

These are just some random thoughts that occurred to me after seeing the post. Not that it was intentional. If its too vague or not congruent, sorry for that!

 

[Faun]

If i were given choice to choose one religion then it would be Buddhism,

And for GOD, i don't think that there is some supreme personality, but yeah the nature rules all of us, am too an atheist but i believe in nature

Karnivore its not that u need proof for everything, tell me who discovered laws of nature ? and then who again rectified them ? So u believe in the approximate truth scrutinized by the inaccurate instruments.

 

[naveen_reloaded]

^^u r so materialistic I cant stop laughing

You only see what u wanted to. So its not your fault...lol

I see wht exist... and not other bullshits which eats time !!!

^ ^ similar to Madonna - Frozen.. "you only see what your eyes want to see"...

good one!

see my prev reply

By what follows I do not mean to hurt anyone so please no flaming.

I have seen a number of atheists who make fun of believers. On the second breath they also complain that they are not allowed to have their views.

The reason is simple, just because you are atheists does not make you special and you are as bound to respect those who believe as they are also free to have their opinion as you r free to have your own.

Respect and be respected and if you can not, do not complain that you get paid back in the same coin.

Disclaimer: By no means am I saying that all atheists and men of faith do this to each other. My words are directed to those who do!

I agree... i dont hurt other belief... i am just expressing mine... shoudnt i do ??? i know all these religions main aim is to supress any revolt against them ...
this has been the case for sooo long time...

Now who`s being regulator???
we too have our thoughts and we are here to express it...


from the article :

The ship lands on a planet, inhabited by a population of creatures in the state of development that Earth was 8000 years ago. What do the primitives think of these strange visitors coming in large roaring ships? They close their eyes, and face the ground fearing these "Gods."

talk about teaching how to mastrub@te to young children....

and why do u think they will think it as GOD ???? i think the person who wrote doesnt have idea wht a GOD is ???
why cant they(alien life forms) think humans as some animal ??/ or say a dragon or whtever ... may be even think as dumb Sh!ts... in those suits...!!!
and wht if the life forms are bigger than human beings who landed and being eaten by the aliens ??? LOL


still more to come ...from the article....

The Gods have come to visit them!

cant stop laughing !!! hope those aliens are not cannibals.. or else our astronauts would have been eaten.... !!!

The crew would study these inhabitants, pick up their language and would be able to communicate with them. Priests from the tribe would approach them to pay homage and offer gifts. No amount of explanation would deter any of the primitives from the notion that these are Gods.

I dont know wht makes these writers think that alien life forms will think us as GODS just becoz u landed with a big BIG dumb space ship ???

Our crew would also teach the primitives some of the basic values of civilization. Interbreeding among them (perhaps by 'choosing' women) would lead to a generation that's actually a few generations ahead in intelligence and abilities. The crew would eventually leave, perhaps with a promise of return. Back on that planet, the saga would continue. They will write stories, erect statues, drawings, temples…

imagination to extreme....
interbreed ???? yuuuckkkkk!!!! come on who is here for alien s3x ????
last line is simply superb... can direct a full length movie with it ... !!!

Piri Reis Maps found in Topkapi Palace. This was found in the possession of a Turkish Navy Admiral. It was a map of the world, showing even North and South America and even Antarctica if the ice caps were to be removed. However, the map was seemingly distorted. A startling discovery showed that projecting the map onto a sphere would produce an exact view of how the world would appear if it were seen from a certain distance in space. How did our ancestors get a hold of this?
Straight geometrical lines, some intersect and form trapezoids, in Nazca, Peru. And they're not even roads, because they end abruptly.
Tiahuanaco is a city teeming with mysteries. Here, archaeologists founds an accurate calendar that gave the equinoxes, astronomical seasons and the positions of the moon at every hour. This is from 27,000 years ago. Also at Tiahuanaco, one can find huge sandstone blocks with accurate stonework on it, in seemingly impossible ways. There is also a Great Idol at the Old Temple, and the Gate of the Sun shows 'flying Gods' on it. Tiahuanaco also holds a legend of flying ships from the stars.
Sacsahuaman: Giant Monolith, exquisitely carved and standing on its head.
In Ur, where the worlds oldest books exist, we find stories of "Great Gods" that come in flying ships.
Sumerians were one of the earliest civilizations that apparently appeared out of nowhere. Not only that, they were an advanced civilization: They had advanced astronomy, and estimates on the rotation of the moon that differ from todays calculations by 0.4 seconds. Also found was a calculation with a 15 digit result. The Greeks at the peak of their civilization never went above 10,000. The Sumerians, apparently, also had huge spans of life. They have documented 10 kings that ruled for a total of 456,000 years. The Sumerians also relate a story of how the Gods had returned after the Great Flood. Some Akkadian tablets show Gods connected with helmets and stars. What's strange is that around the stars are planets of various sizes.
Drawing of spirals at Geoy Tepe from 6000 years ago.
A 40,000 year old flint industry at Gar Kobeh
A Similar one from 30,000 years ago at Baradostian
Figures and Tombs, 13,000 years old at Tepe Asiab
Tools, engravings and flints at Karim Shahir from the year 45000 BC
Helwan has a piece of cloth so fine that it is possible only in a specialized factory today.
Electric batteries that work on the galvanic principle are on display at the Baghdad Museum
A 10,000 year old star map in Kohistan
Smelted Platinum found in Peru
A rust proof Iron pillar in Delhi

simple ... our ancestors were more intellegent !!! coz they used thier brain instead of wasting time in writing some imaginative story !!!!

The Bible is a book full of contradictions. Go to a library, or search online for the following passages:

Genesis 1:26 - who is "our"? Why is God talking like a group?

as i know bible is constantly being overwritten / edited to make sentences more powerfulll...

wasnt jesus accompanied by his followers...??? or say deciples ???

Genesis 6:1-2 - Who are the sons of God?

there is no god and there is no son for himm !!!

Genesis 6:4 - this describes mighty men known as the sons of God who mated with humans. Just about all the ancient books describe these giants. Keep in mind that if aliens had come from a planet with lower gravity, they would be extremely tall, and sport large chests. Similar to the giants.

nice integratiuon of sciene and imagination to make it look genuine... good work/..

Genesis 19:1-28 - describes or relates some sort of a catastrophe countdown, wherein the 'angels' of God tell the prophet "Lot" to hurry and get out of the city, into the mountains, and not to look at the explosion. Why the rush? Why a countdown?

wTH is this ???

Exodus 15:10, Exodus 25:40 - Noah was given the exact instructions and measurements for building the Ark, down to the inch. Also, it was described to be electrically charged, because things like sparks and flashes were said to be there. Was that perhaps a means of communication with the God?

wait.... please why do u ask for proof for a imaginative story ????
its all getting very simple ... you createa story... make others believe it and ask for why this happened .. why that happened... and integrate some recently found scientific work with the story and make it authenticated!!!



The flood epic isn't confined to the pages of the Bible. It exists in just about every culture. You can read a few of these flood myth stories here. How did all of them come up with the same flood story? Why?

Was it perhaps that the aliens were attempting to breed an intelligent race of humans, and were attempting to destroy the experiments that they weren't satisfied with?

 

[Faun]

I see wht exist... and not other bullshits which eats time !!!

so please next time do comprehend them too
There are many things that exists but u can't see.Others can.
Many things you can't sense but others can.

Many things that your subconscious mind can tell you but things you can't seem to reason from ur subconscious mind.

Science is just a medium to discover those things.

 

[karnivore]

Karnivore its not that u need proof for everything,....

Of course u need that. By proof i mean empirical evidence. Believing something which is not supported by any evidence is just blind "faith". Let me give u a very hackneyed example. There was a time when, based on observation of night sky with naked eyes only, it was believed that everything else revolved round earth. Today, u don't even think about it. Why ?? Not because Copernicus or Galileo proved something to the contrary. But because there is enough empirical evidence AGAINST it. Today, only a moron will argue against the fact that it is the earth that revolves around sun and not the other way round. Thats the power of evidence.

..tell me who discovered laws of nature ? and then who again rectified them?..

I am not sure i got that question. Are u asking, who INVENTED laws of nature ? If that's what u are asking, then u are asking the wrong question in the first place. Your question assumes, that "Somebody" invented these laws and we need to find that "someone", someday. Let me first politely ask u to establish the fact that "someone" did invent and then fine-tunned the laws of nature. Then, may be, we can decide who it was. Was it Superman or Batman ?

On a more serious note, the answer to that question would be NO ONE. Everything in nature is a result of a long process of trial and error. Tell me why is it necessary to always think of "someone" at the helm of everything.

..u believe in the approximate truth scrutinized by the inaccurate instruments.

You have said this quite beautifully. Truth is indeed, sometimes, approximate. But instead of "inaccurate" instruments i would prefer to say "imperfect" instruments. Again, i would use another much used example. If everything was approximately true, then the wonders of science, that surround u in your daily life, starting from the much simpler electricity to more complex, communication satellites that we keep shooting into the dark sky of oblivion, with precision of nanosecond, would not have been possible. It does prove, that we got at least something ABSOLUTELY right. And we did that not by praying to doG, but by questioning doG.

That, my dear friend, gives me hope and conviction, that we are indeed on the right track.

 

[dreamcatcher]

ooh cummon guys...GOD for me

is a power, that we need to ensure sanctity in our minds..

a power that relieves us of the immense stress when we think about it

a helping hand which burrows us with inspiration when called upon

someone whom we can trust during the times of distress

a parent who is there to look on us when we are down

someone whom we can bank upon,someone whom we can intertact with without the fear of someone snorting back,sumone whom we can relieve all our troubles, and i believe that a troubled mind is the root to all mishaps.

In conclusion,god may be nothing,may just be a figment of our imagination, but I believe in god...not that coz everyun believes so..but because i need sum1 in this world to listen to your prayers..there are some things you cant tell anyone but yourself...and if u know yourself very well..you are your own god..

coming to the technical part of it

God and Aliens have been a rummaging theory for mane years to precede...its like a cycle..Einstien said that the system is a cycle and is monotonous and in no way can there be anything that goes against this monotony..there are peaple to look upon us..we call them parents..our parents have their parents to look upon us and so...as a matter of fact..the whole cycle goes back to the earliest when the first organism was born..there was someone to look upon them as well..so comes the theory of GOD..

U r right...God maybe JAADu rpoaming around helping Hrithik and thus helping us in turns too..but it may also be an unknown force that makes things happen..there are many forces unknown to this us that still rule upon us...Science itslef claims that we can hardly comprehenda single percent of the mysteries that lie in this world.....sooo..back to square one!!!

your views

 

[naveen_reloaded]

In 1965, two time capsules were buried in New York, which could withstand just about anything, including a nuclear holocaust. Now suppose a nuclear war wipes out most of civilization. It's but obvious that the bombs won't be directed at the bush tribes of Africa or the Eskimos. They'd be directed towards the epicenters of civilization, cities such as New York. In such a time, libraries, achievements and ideas won't be of any use. Life wouldn't be able to flourish in that area for years. But then everything will begin again. Once again, a civilization will emerge. In this new civilization, the archaeologists will claim that 20th century man was not familiar with Iron. . If they find cassette tapes, they wouldn't know what to do with it, even though these could be of incalculable value to them. Texts which spoke of tall skyscrapers would be scoffed and dismissed as 'creativity' on our part. The London Tube would be viewed as a drainage system. Airplanes never existed, because 20th century man could never fly. If they happened to come across the speeches of Marx and Lenin, these would suddenly become high priests. What is being shown here is the analogy between the way we are being viewed 5000 years later, and how we view our ancestors from 5000 years ago.

ya nice point sriuosly...!!!!
appreciated...

The civilization of Egypt appeared out of nowhere: an advanced, readymade civilization. Where did they come from anyways, and how is this sudden jump possible? To start off, fertile land in Egypt occurs only in the Nile Delta. Experts estimate that there may have been some 50 million inhabitants required at the time of the construction of the pyramids. Whatever the population, one this is sure: they all had to be fed, and the scanty yields of the Nile Delta's agriculture isn't enough.

These so called experts also say that wooden rollers were required to move the blocks. But the only trees in Egypt are palm trees, the shape of which makes it unfit as a roller. Not only that, but these were required for dates and shades. Did the Egyptians import wood? It should be noted that the horse and cart weren't around until 1600 BC.

How did the Egyptians carve the tombs out of the rocks? How did they achieve such fine smoothness on the walls? How did they lay out a maze of galleries?

A meridian running through the pyramids can divide the continents and oceans in exactly two equal halves. The area of the base of a pyramid, divided by twice the height gives us pi (3.141592). How is this possible? How did they illuminate the interiors of the pyramid to create the drawings and paintings, without blackening the ceilings? How were the blocks joined to the accuracy of a thousandth of an inch?

i think u should have seen the latest series in HISTORY CHANNEL... coz many of those architectural mysteries are slowly getting solved...

one example is erection of a very big pillar carvedd out of one single stone... prev it was believeed it was by the help of so called aliens/gods ( i am not saying aliens dont exist) helped them.. but they found ways that could have been done with very minimum labour ....

will post video if theere soon....