Why Apple can afford to rock

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ring_wraith

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^^ aren't those Apps available for Windows as well? [that's an actual question. Not too sure myself]

I have a confession to make, today I felt the strongest urge I have ever felt to whip out the trusty shotgun and put a few rounds through the cabinet. Purely because of Vista's incompetence, which for some reason that is absolutely beyond me "broke" my internet connection and "wiped off" the clock from the taskbar. I know I could fix these things, but I really shouldn't have to.

Then I began to wonder, Do Mac users ever have this primitive urge?

Well, do you?
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
My Mac hardly has crashed more than 3-4 times in the last 6 months.
What! My Mac hasn't crashed even once in the one and a half year I've had it. I'd actually started longing for it to crash at least once so that I could see the famed kernel panic screen.

I did get to see it once though when the beta version of Leopard crashed as soon as I'd gotten it installed, but that does not count. Kernel panic does look sexy, by the way. :p
 

krazzy

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Course he is a fan... he is the CEO of the company for god's sake....
Yeah I know he's a CEO. But on stage while giving the keynotes, he's more Apple fan than a CEO. This is what I liked about him. His attitude is refreshing. This is what makes watching his keynotes exciting.
 

Gigacore

Dreamweaver
anyway, i think its time to say good bye for you guys. will catch you guys back in april. And before leaving, i would say that i'm not really impressed by Mac's UI, but i really love the body works of all the apple products. I just love them. :) But when it comes to OS, i'm sorry :p And i'm not a linboy or a winboy, i use all the three. . though i wont use apple products much, but i just GAZE at its beauty. Not the UI :lol:
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
^^ aren't those Apps available for Windows as well? [that's an actual question. Not too sure myself]
No, the ones he listed are all applications exclusive to Mac OS X. They're the reason why Mac OS X is so highly regarded in the creative field. :)

[/I]I have a confession to make, today I felt the strongest urge I have ever felt to whip out the trusty shotgun and put a few rounds through the cabinet. Purely because of Vista's incompetence, which for some reason that is absolutely beyond me "broke" my internet connection and "wiped off" the clock from the taskbar. I know I could fix these things, but I really shouldn't have to.
You know what sort of things frustrate Mac users? If the machine takes more than twenty seconds to boot up. Or if you drag an application off the Dock and the poof animation does not happen.

On Windows, these are not even regarded as minute annoyances. And Mac users raise Hell on Apple's official discussion forums if they can't find a word in the included dictionary.

That's how perfect the operating system is supposed to be.

Do you really think that some Mac user would ever get the urge to put a bullet through it? :p


I do know this though that when I'm forced to use Windows based PCs in cyber cafes sometimes, those are the times when I wish I could put my shooting skills to use. When you switch to Windows from Mac OS X, it's like you've suddenly jumped from 2008 to 1998. Trust me, I'm not exaggerating.

When I'd initially bought my Mac, I was using it like I'd used it forever within one day of switching to it. And that was after having suddenly let go five years of using Windows. After that, I left my Mac in New Delhi and returned to Siliguri (the latch seemed to be defective so the vendor kept it and would return it to me with the whole screen replaced).

The fortnight I had to spend with Windows in Siliguri, after having spent only one day with my Mac, was like being tied to a lamppost and told to run. Only I know how I spent those two weeks, and this was a time when I wasn't a fan of Apple or anything. I was a guy who'd advocated Windows for five years to all my friends.

When my Mac was shipped back to me, it was like coming home. I've never looked back ever since. And never will.


In a nutshell, it runs Mac OS X (the best OS on planet Earth) and also Windows and Linux if you want it to (and better than PCs do), has a sexy, high quality design, oozes class and is extremely silent. The company provides excellent customer support and the machine is maintenance free. Come have a look at my MacBook Pro. There is no difference between a MacBook Pro purchased yesterday and mine. It's very clean (credit goes to me), has no scratches or anything (anodized aluminium FTW) and works like a charm.

What possible reason could there be for not loving my Mac! :)

Yeah I know he's a CEO. But on stage while giving the keynotes, he's more Apple fan than a CEO. This is what I liked about him. His attitude is refreshing. This is what makes watching his keynotes exciting.
Exactly. It's fun watching him being surprised and excited by the work of his own engineers. I've never seen better presentations from anyone.

He really means it when he keeps insisting that they make stuff that they want to use themselves. Part of me thinks that Bill Gates and the ilk don't actually use the operating system they push out to the masses.
 
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ring_wraith

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Gives you a nice fuzzy warm feeling inside. And Allow me to say that if a Windows user ever told me that he hadn't crashed in 1.5 years, I would be ROFLing.... literally. Still a bit skeptic about the 1.5 years thing.

Too bad they cost so darn much.
 

aditya.shevade

Console Junkie
^^ ring_wraith, I was talking movie graphics... (ex, TLOR... your favorite it seems from your ID). I don't even know what game graphics are, cause I don't play games... :D

@Arya... please, tell me what you meant when you said that apple tends to screw customers?
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
Trust me, I've been forced to admit much worse things in life and have been ridiculed for them just because I believe that an Arya Samaaji shouldn't lie. The last thing I would do is lie over such a trivial issue. :)

In fact, I think that even if a Mac crashes every once in a while, it would be fine. No computer is perfect. I'm sure that, like drgrudge said, some people's Macs do crash sometimes.

But there's a different between sometimes and once every week or two. I have a Windows based PC right next to me that we don't boot even if we have something damn important to do and the Mac is busy being used for something else. We'd rather wait that press that dreaded button on that PC.

Here's what happens if we do:
1. It takes over a minute to show the desktop.
2. Several programs start up after that, which takes well over five minutes.
3. Almost every time I use that machine, my patience given way within those five minutes and I move the mouse or hit a key on the keyboard and BAM! It gets stuck. Now there is no option but to do a cold restart.
4. If it's my brother using the computer, who's used to it, he'll wait out those five minutes and then double click Internet Explorer or Opera. Another thirty-forty seconds later, some part of the window shows up, followed by the whole thing in bits and pieces over the course of the next minute.

... You can probably see where this is headed. I know we have to reinstall Windows and everything will be fine, for the next two months. But it will be back to this same stage after that. Rinse and repeat. I'm so freaking frustrated of this whole routine that I've decided not to touch that computer.

We're waiting for the iMac line to be refreshed with the Penryn processors so that we can replace this stupid thing.

Compared to that, a crash once every month sounds like heaven to me. Thankfully enough, I don't even have to suffer through that. :)


FWIW, it should be quite obvious but, apart from updating to Leopard and trying the two beta releases in between, I've never had to do a reinstall of the OS either. When I used Tiger, I would sometimes get stuck when the machine resumed from sleep and would have to put it back to sleep and resume it again for it to work. That's the only harassment I used to have with my Mac and even that has been put to rest with Leopard. :)

@Arya... please, tell me what you meant when you said that apple tends to screw customers?
Oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot to address your question. I'm going to have dinner now. I'll post a reply as soon as I return. :)
 
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drgrudge

Another Brick in the Wall
^^ aren't those Apps available for Windows as well? [that's an actual question. Not too sure myself]

No, they aren't. They're exclusive to Mac.

@giga,
I've been to Raj TV, and seen M TV office. Those guys use a Mac. Sure you've apps for Windows, but you're mistaken when you say Mac is Home/Personal use only.


What! My Mac hasn't crashed even once in the one and a half year I've had it. I'd actually started longing for it to crash at least once so that I could see the famed kernel panic screen.

I did get to see it once though when the beta version of Leopard crashed as soon as I'd gotten it installed, but that does not count. Kernel panic does look sexy, by the way. :p
I meant apps has crashed, not OS X. VLC and Firefox to blame. Aperture also crashed once. Leopard didn't crash for 3-4 times, only once if I can remember.
 
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ring_wraith

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^^ your apps crashed a few times? That sounds like a different planet! We have to get used to an App [just one if we're lucky] crashing al least once every time we switch on the PC.....

@ Aayush, come on, it can't be that bad!

Does a mac really take 20 seconds flat to have the desktop, with all bg apps fully loaded, up and running?????
 

krazzy

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I don't quite agree with you Aayush on Windows usability. I'm using Windows XP since the last two years, and I'm being quite honest here, the number of crashes I've had in these two years can be counted on the fingers of one hand. No. Kidding. I have a old Compaq laptop with now-completely outdated hardware, but it still starts up by around half a minute. The time taken by my pc to be completely usable is around 45-50 seconds which is not bad for my two year old hardware. I try to keep my pc neat and trim and avoid installing unnecessary softwares. And in return it rewards me with pretty good performance.

I do most of the stuff that a regular Windows user does like browsing the net, emails, movies, music, ebooks, etc. except gaming (the hardware does not permit that). Still my pc hardly ever crashes. Infact I don't even remember the last time it crashed. I don't know what exactly I do (or don't) that makes my Windows pc stay crash-free. I'm surprised sometimes when people who understand computers much more than me and have computers much better than mine complain about crashes. I guess I'm just too darn lucky!
 
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ring_wraith

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^^ that makes a lot of sense. The reason your PC refuses to crash is because you are keeping more than the metaphorical toe in the lone. Those things you mentioned are things no PC has a right of crashing whilst doing.
 

Gigacore

Dreamweaver
i installed XP way back in early 2007, when i bought a new hdd. Till now my XP SP2 has never showed a BSOD. My bad, my hardware is down now, coz its outdated! And it takes less then a minute for me too, which is not something to wonder about. I use some resource hungry apps, it runs ASS (As Smooth as Silk)
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
@ Aayush, come on, it can't be that bad!
Are you really that surprised? Seriously?

My computer is not just one example. Almost every Windows based PC I've ever seen has been in situation just slightly better than mine. I once went to a Tata Indicom office on Park Street and had to sit there for sixteen minutes (I timed it on my stopwatch because I wanted to rub it in gx_saurav's face at that time :p) while the guy booted his PC, it crashed, he rebooted, it didn't even reach the welcome screen, he rebooted, everything loaded up taking its own sweet time and then their own Internet connection refused to connect for several minutes. As soon as it did, the PC crashed again. He finally asked me to jot down my registration data on a paper.

And the kicker was when I was leaving and he said, "I'm sorry, sir, but you were a bit late and we'd turned off the PC today. If it had been on, this would've been a two minute job." I couldn't believe my ears. Does turning off a Windows PC mean permanently bidding goodbye to it?

Does a mac really take 20 seconds flat to have the desktop, with all bg apps fully loaded, up and running?????
Yes, which is partly due to the fact that applications never ever set themselves to start up at login on their own accord. And if you set any of them to do so and want to remove them, you just right click on the Dock icon and select 'Remove from Login". No running msconfig nonsense.

And partly due to the fact that, well, it just is fast. Tiger did take around 25-30 seconds though.

Once, when I was in Arena Multimedia, a student had purchased a brand new Compaq notebook and was going on and on about how it had Vista, this awesome OS that none of us had supposedly even dreamt of ever being able to use. "It's so fast that it feels like there is butter on the processor chip RAM it has." I'm not kidding, he actually did say that.

I challenged him that I would restart my machine, while all he had to do was boot it up and we would see who'd get done first. Frankly, that was one moment when I wasn't all that confident on my Mac and instantly regretted having challenged the guy to that. But you know what, not only did I win, his machine didn't move a step beyond that Vista logo thing. Ha!

Ah, good times. :D

I don't quite agree with you Aayush on Windows usability. I'm using Windows XP since the last two years, and I'm being quite honest here, the number of crashes I've had in these two years can be counted on the fingers of one hand. No. Kidding. I have a old Compaq laptop with now-completely outdated hardware, but it still starts up by around half a minute. The time taken by my pc to be completely usable is around 45-50 seconds which is not bad for my two year old hardware. I try to keep my pc neat and trim and avoid installing unnecessary softwares. And in return it rewards me with pretty good performance.

I do most of the stuff that a regular Windows user does like browsing the net, emails, movies, music, ebooks, etc. except gaming (the hardware does not permit that). Still my pc hardly ever crashes. Infact I don't even remember the last time it crashed. I don't know what exactly I do (or don't) that makes my Windows pc stay crash-free. I'm surprised sometimes when people who understand computers much more than me and have computers much better than mine complain about crashes. I guess I'm just too darn lucky!
Well, I certainly am glad you have such a trouble free experience with your computer. Good for you. :)

But you have to realise that it's far removed from the general user experience with Windows. Eight people till date have switched to Mac OS X on my recommendation (directly or indirectly) and the first two things they say when they report back to me, almost universally, are that the crash-free experience is an unexpected and welcome change and that they still cannot believe they don't have any anti-virus software installed and the machine hasn't been compromised.
 
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but when it comes down to it, a mac isn't really a mac. Its just a pretty PC.
And using the Eee PC and the XO-1 Book along with the Moto Rokr E6 as proofs, a perfect PC/Mobile needn't use only Macintosh or Windows.

Us "Third World" country guys prefer to live in the third world

and the way ayyush talks about a Mac, it sounds like he has never ever seen a customised Laptop/Desktop before(In my dictionary, computer customisation and linux are interchangable).

You must be kidding, lives of people and billions of $$ and country's respect are at stake !
They all use Real Time Operating System ! And own designed OS at workstation !
*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTLinux

I'm never going back to Windows, mate. Don't worry. :)
join the club:D
 

goobimama

 Macboy
How Apple screws you over? That iPod touch upgrade for one. $20 for an upgrade that should have been a part of it in the first place. There was also a Wifi-N upgrade where they charged $2. Then there was the fiasco of bricking all those jailbroken phones.

Apple also charges you heavily for:
Memory and other upgrades. Repair costs, if out of warranty are really inexcusable. I've hard that to replace the Powerbook display it costs $800 which is absurd.

As for apps for macs. I can with surety say that there is nothing on windows like there is for the Mac.

Coda. That is a whole reason by itself. Inspite of Dreamweaver having all it's 'features' and such, I have just gone used to the ease of use with Coda. The beauty of the interface just makes sense. And all those animations are not only for 'wow', they are a helpful cue as to what exactly is happening.

iTunes. Nothing, absolutely nothing like on Windows. With iTunes helpers, iLife media browser, integration throughout, it is like a system. You can't help but use iTunes on a mac.

Pages. Of course there will be Office:Word whiners, but I Pages has been growing into an exceptionally handsome app which has completely replaced Word.

And all of this is possible only due to OS X. The way windows work, multi tasking, memory management, animations. They are all OS X. And I will pay much more than 64k for the iMac (well, actually, I paid 92k for my "old" iMac so 64k seems cheap to me).
 
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