*** Science Or God? ***

Science or God?


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rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
/*Atleast this guy is +ve*/

Man.. u tell me to go thru all that f*** stuff behind... do u even realize how long it is...
Yes I'm damn serious on wat I told u.
Now I know that u r not only ignorant but a very much lazy also.
B4 u there were so many more people who had more strong logics (not an imaginary story like u) and we had answered them all.
IF U REALLY WANT TO CLEAR UR DOUBTS go throughr previous posts. (Me, I've red them all, and had at least posted more than 30 times here, then there is karni, mediator etc.)

hmm.. u guys are tired off repeating what you said already...? Yeah .. I understand....
Ya, we just don't want to waste our energy on such petty stories based as reason.

But I am still not clear of one thing... how da hell can or did a scientist create life from scratch.. I mean.. not from a living cell.. or anything living..!!
If u were a man from science stream u would n't ask this question.

Guys... I just found this while searching the net for "Scientists creating life from scratch" thought that it wouldn't be off topic.... Quoting it anyway.... Plzz don't get outraged.. u atheists... just be cool and post ur views.. I mean.. any thoughts as to why its not..!
That was a story, u found something that u wanted to find...hope u got me.
 

virilecliffhanger

I ain't afraid of nothin'
Yes I'm damn serious on wat I told u.
Now I know that u r not only ignorant but a very much lazy also.
B4 u there were so many more people who had more strong logics (not an imaginary story like u) and we had answered them all.
IF U REALLY WANT TO CLEAR UR DOUBTS go throughr previous posts. (Me, I've red them all, and had at least posted more than 30 times here, then there is karni, mediator etc.)


Ya, we just don't want to waste our energy on such petty stories based as reason.


If u were a man from science stream u would n't ask this question.


That was a story, u found something that u wanted to find...hope u got me.


:x:x:cool:

Dude.. you seem to be nothing... The story nicely teaches how we are using nature, minerals etc to make what we call creation... I know you guys just know to scream when somone qs.. or to refer threads.... I very well can imagine wat crap went in previously if this itself is too much to take LOL...
I am not furious but can ease ur mind off... but am not ready to close this thread or myself banned...!..... Stop talking about THAT person and start talking ABOUT SUBSTANCE again when u post THAN WASTING UR ENERGY IN MAKING THIS THREAD A ********... No Rational GUY Here... See yu atheists.. gud luck wid ur SCIENCE.. LOL
 

rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
:x:x:cool:

Dude.. you seem to be nothing... The story nicely teaches how we are using nature, minerals etc to make what we call creation... I know you guys just know to scream when somone qs.. or to refer threads.... I very well can imagine wat crap went in previously if this itself is too much to take LOL...
I am not furious but can ease ur mind off... but am not ready to close this thread or myself banned...!..... Stop talking about THAT person and start talking ABOUT SUBSTANCE again when u post THAN WASTING UR ENERGY IN MAKING THIS THREAD A ********... No Rational GUY Here... See yu atheists.. gud luck wid ur SCIENCE.. LOL
Only one thing for u, I don't believe in stories, show me facts. If u can't then believe us, because science provides facts with proof.
 

virilecliffhanger

I ain't afraid of nothin'
/*hmm... dragging me real bad to post again... but really .. its my last one...*/

Look man... stories are there to realize the moral (which is fact) but not to ignore it as a STORY.. I said WHAT WE ARE DOING in ma previous posts.. wat we r doin is ain't story d!

Science hasn't proven or can't prove that GOD doesn't exist. All the proofs in this arena are nothing just but to prove that GOD exists...
amino acids... which man claims to be the basic building block of life , had to do so much of research but end up using things already around him(not realizing that he didn't make them) to build what is existing already.... Don't you think there must have been some better or great guy who created them when scientists themselves are so worn out for doin such a basic thing?? BTW amino acids which they created in Labs are dead.. they ain't living! I have to dig my drives to find an article.. literally burning that thing to ashes..... Let me go search......
 

rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
Science hasn't proven or can't prove that GOD doesn't exist. All the proofs in this arena are nothing just but to prove that GOD exists...
We are never proving that thesre is no GOD. To claim that GOD exists u've asked so many questions and we've tried to answer them and prove them wrong. Now, if ur questions are proved wrong, logically ur claim (That GOD exists) becomes invalid.

amino acids... which man claims to be the basic building block of life , had to do so much of research but end up using things already around him(not realizing that he didn't make them) to build what is existing already.... Don't you think there must have been some better or great guy who created them when scientists themselves are so worn out for doin such a basic thing?? BTW amino acids which they created in Labs are dead.. they ain't living! I have to dig my drives to find an article.. literally burning that thing to ashes..... Let me go search......
C, science is trying to answer questions. If don't know something we don't just stop, we keep on trying to find the truth. But that doesn't mean we wi'' bow b4 some imaginary concept only because we don't know d answer.
U also believe dat science was successfull in creating life, dat was a first step. If could create it, we would sure geat a way to sustain it.

^^fcuk the facts
Ab tujhe kaya hua??
Not in good mood today?:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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ionicsachin

Ambassador of Buzz
Science doesnt explain everything, so the two types of people here fill it with "yet to be known" or "God" here...
 

amitash

Intel OCer
You say science hasnt proven god does not exist...by that reasoning science hasnt proven that superman doesnt exist either...so it must be true that superman exists in real life....hope you get what i am saying

fak science
without science we would still be living like cave men...without what you call "god" we would be much better off without those interreligious wars and what not...

btw you still havent answered my question
 

mediator

Technomancer
amitash said:
If it werent for god and religion there would have been no "religious" wars like the crusades and the mughal oppression and the modern day "terrorists" who fight in the name of things like jihad
If there was no advent of modern science there wud have been no "nuclear tests and problem of disposal of nuclear waste, global warming & rise of water level, biological warfare, choking of water pipes by plastic bags, air pollution due to various reasons, cancer due to radiation....complete the list urself"! Time to rethink on this logic that has been pervading this thread throughout. I guess human is the worst and the most dangerous creature on the planet.

Though, I do believe that "propagandist" religions fuel intolerance.

amitash said:
without science we would still be living like cave men
What does that suppose to mean? Science doesn't prove that "everybody" was a caveman in earlier times. U might still find plenty of people fulfilling the definition of caveman in todays time. As for "we", we had good knowledge of astronomy, arts, geometry etc even in ancient times. But today the situation of INDIA is such that we are divided on the lines of religion, region, caste and colour. We honour one who is rich and shows off his assets, and many live under the spell of superstitions. Guess humanity has seriously degraded with time then. You do know that INDIA had great knowledge & wealth when science just started in the west, don't u?

Before replying, do know that I have already been flamed a lot. So have mercy n please don't roast me now. I wont ask to read the whole thread. Even better, goto advanced search and search for all my posts in this thread. :oops:
 

rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
Before replying, do know that I have already been flamed a lot. So have mercy n please don't roast me now. I wont ask to read the whole thread. Even better, goto advanced search and search for all my posts in this thread. :oops:
First of all, welcome back...:D, I hope "he" will be here soon.

Just one question, r u intentionally overlooking the good things that science has done for us or...:confused:
U r not someone who just tells something...wassup???:confused::rolleyes:
 

mediator

Technomancer
^U got me there. :D
Neways, just to clear the air then, u can call me the biggest science fan out here who is completely neutral/unbiased when it comes to topic as such. The thing many don't realise is that they think that voting out for science or discussing in favour of it would automatically give them the rights to flame or laugh at ones who favour supernatural phenomena or say GOD. I believe the "end arguments" from both the sides hold valid. i.e

Theists argue :
1. GOD created life
2. God created Universe

You really can't ignore the question where the all the material & energy in Universe came from! Scientists have even started to argue that life came from outside the planet. And what bt string theory and parallel universe??

Science argues :
1. Who created GOD then?
2. Many theories and the stuff!

Well thats also a reasonable question, as to where GOD is residing and whats "his"(?) gender. Some even argue "where GOd was?" when various kinds of injustices and crime happened.


When it comes to GOD, I really can't argue coz it all becomes illogical and nothing to quesion or intellectually stimulating! But when it comes to science, the power of questioning rises exponentially. That increases your knowledge and with more knowledge many more questions keep piling up. The scenario is such that many theories have been formed with various flaws and setbacks. We already discussed two main theories!

Let me repeat n brief one. We already read bt the various theories regarding Universe. One of such was big bang and expanding and contracting state. Later scientists found out that reality is actually contradicting their assumptions and that universe was expanding even faster. So they filled it with an assumption of dark energy and matter argued by many. To many, who take it for granted that whatever scientists do is right and swallow it innocently, everything seems fine. Thats because they are not questioning! And when they don't question and instead support such theories, then they are obliged to answer many questions to those who actually question. Since it has become a kind of trend to support theories without actually questioning it out of your own understanding, then obviously answering a lot of questions that other might ask might puzzle the supporter.

And so let me ask how many have actually questioned the scientific facts, figures and theories that they support? I'm in no way trying to make myself look as the star of the show. But beware, if you try to logic with science then you are bound for a lot of questions too. And thats what I'm doing n have been doing i.e questioning the science and the scientists here. I guess many didn't realise my reason for posting here. But I neither favoured GOD nor spoke in favour or support of science (though I would favour science anyday). I guess thats what science means to understand how and why things work, isn't it? And I guess that how a scientist should be, to answer any question a person asks or atleast tries to find out and not laugh or mock one who might question something that he(science supporter) might not be able to answer!

Coming back to your next statement, NO I haven't forgotten anything science has done for us. But I was asking to ponder upon the logic in the first para of my previous post. If that same logic is applied too science, then science may also look like an evil thing. But that whole logic is absurd "exceptions" made!


I guess GOD is a better medicine for those who try to ruin their life with drugs, alcohol and cigars! They say "God helps those who help themselves" right? So I hope, no one will mind if I keep my train of thoughts and questions pouring in periodically corresponding to favourable logic that people (science supporters) might give likewise! So @rhitwick, I hope that answers a lot for u. :)
 
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rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
@mediator, c, thats why I appreciate both of you. U guys at least believe in logic.

When the questioning part comes to science we accept it, try to answer, but when u ask question about god, u r told "thou sha'nt question god", they can't even tolerate people questioning.

In my previous posts, I've tried to divulge my idea on how and why God was created. And today u seem to match with it. I too believe its a "concept" which was developed for the good of mankind. If u've confidence, belief in something u can do anything. Most of d people r too frightful to believe themselves, but they'll believe in God that everything will be alright.
This "HOPE" of being alright keeps them going. But I still look for a day when people will prefer saying "I can do it" instead "I can do it if GOD is with me".
I've no problem worshiping the GOD concept if everyone stop doing those nasty things in d name of it. (But, they won't and I won't:))
 

amitash

Intel OCer
To many, who take it for granted that whatever scientists do is right and swallow it innocently, everything seems fine. Thats because they are not questioning! And when they don't question and instead support such theories, then they are obliged to answer many questions to those who actually question. Since it has become a kind of trend to support theories without actually questioning it out of your own understanding, then obviously answering a lot of questions that other might ask might puzzle the supporter.

I totally agree but who are the ones questioning the scientists? Other scientists of course..An answer in science spawns a 100 other questions and that i feel is a good thing...I feel its better to try and answer these questions (which inevitably will lead to more questions) instead of ignoring the unanswered questions and puting it on God.


If there was no advent of modern science there wud have been no "nuclear tests and problem of disposal of nuclear waste, global warming & rise of water level, biological warfare, choking of water pipes by plastic bags, air pollution due to various reasons, cancer due to radiation....complete the list urself"! Time to rethink on this logic that has been pervading this thread throughout. I guess human is the worst and the most dangerous creature on the planet.

From everything we have seen i think we can agree that everything good also spawns evil....advent of nuclear energy meant saving fuel but it led to the development of nuclear weapons..but what say science designs some kind of device that can easily dispose nuclear waste? What if science discovers a way to turn carbon monoxide into oxygen? This is just a cycle of good and evil we will have to accept and move on...If you dont invent something new for the fear of it being used for evil, human society will stagnate.

I guess GOD is a better medicine for those who try to ruin their life with drugs, alcohol and cigars! They say "God helps those who help themselves" right? So I hope, no one will mind if I keep my train of thoughts and questions pouring in periodically corresponding to favourable logic that people (scien

If the addicts had learnt to "help themselves" they wouldnt be in their position....Its logical that if you help yourself than you will succeed ergo there is no intervening medium i.e. god which will help you.......which is why I quoted: "a hand bent in hard work can do much more than a 100 hands folded in prayer."
 

mediator

Technomancer
amitash said:
From everything we have seen i think we can agree that everything good also spawns evil....advent of nuclear energy meant saving fuel but it led to the development of nuclear weapons..but what say science designs some kind of device that can easily dispose nuclear waste? What if science discovers a way to turn carbon monoxide into oxygen? This is just a cycle of good and evil we will have to accept and move on...If you dont invent something new for the fear of it being used for evil, human society will stagnate.
Disposing nuclear waste, if any where possible for now, will lead to another process that will require "energy" which will in turn require some form of energy that will heat up the environment or may pollute it. The same goes for the theoretical conversion of "CO to O2". What about heaters and ACs? Heaters give out heat which requires production of energy which in turn causes disspitation of lot of heat. Heat Heat Heat! And for his own comfort, man is screwing up the environment with science as a tool. So there can be pros and cons of both the sides i.e Science and God, the simple tools that the man uses for his own good both in true and ironical way!! Things related with GOD can calm ur mind, prayers may sooth u and it may fill u with wisdom. Its only the intolerance that leads to riots and Jihads! What essential is not letting ur conscience disappear either in case of Science or GOD!

Did we foresee the consequence of using carbon related fuels when we first used it? Did we think what will happen if we keep using nuclear fuel? Plastics, non-biodegradable substances? So the circumstances are such that humankind is in danger today coz of his lack of conscience and foresight, screwing up the nature, making animal species go extinct n leadin to the rise of sea level n pollution! So my simple point is that your logic, that GOD does harm, can also bounce back on science in the same way!

@rhitwick : You r right, I do side with logic wherever possible. But I believe logic has its own limits. Science is like a fish in giant aquarium (universe) where the fish doesn't know where the start is and where the end is. It can explore the ways in the aquarium, but can never get out of it. And if it tries to get out of it, it simply dies! The "why" part regarding universe and life is all illogical to me!! The only truth and logical part is that you shud njoy and play ur guitar! :D

LOL, forgive me! I didn't mean to become a preacher! :D
 

amitash

Intel OCer
So my simple point is that your logic, that GOD does harm, can also bounce back on science in the same way!

My logic actually is that god does more harm than good.....In science not necassarily everything spawns bad things...the good outweighs the bad in the case of science.
 

IITian

Broken In
Science is like a fish in giant aquarium (universe) where the fish doesn't know where the start is and where the end is. It can explore the ways in the aquarium, but can never get out of it. And if it tries to get out of it, it simply dies!

how do u know all this?are u one of those who sees **visions of heaven**
or are u saying this because u heard it from someone and that someone heard it from someone else and that someone else was "the chosen one"?

someday when u have time, just imagine that if u were born in a society where no one told u about these stories of god, would u have still believed in this notion?

if no, then why now? is it because everyone around u believes? do u depend on others' mind to do the thinking for yourself?

and if yes, then why?just because u can't explain the origin of universe?do u run around shouting "hallelujah!!" everytime u can't explain something?people of science aren't that lame.they don't give credit to some **divine being** for everything they can't explain, they start thinking instead, and when they find some proper explaination, they runs around naked on the streets shouting "Eureka!!" and trust me that's the biggest happiness one can get.

IMO this notion of religion is a widespread incurable contagious psychological disease which has taken millions of lives so far.

all the believers out there grab and watch "Jesus wasn't there" and "The root of all evil-the god delusion" documentaries if u can.
 
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