Reservation System - Should it exist?

Should the Reservation System exist in India?


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metalfan

Modern Philosopher
now they give reservation to SC/ST's after some years brhamins and kshtriya will vanish and so remaining of higher castes will be displayed in zoo ............yupeeeee OR as said uppercaste(poor people like me)....will be given reservation when the backward castes will rise and then history will repeat and chain will roll again.........................INDIA will always work to heal its past never is or will do 4 the future
 

aCe: dAvE

Broken In
Reservations is REALLY VERY necessary. Its only the rich and well-to-do family who disagrees these days.
The fact is: Without Reservations, India might not have even existed in the first place. Can an Indian simply take a VISA and reach Australia or any other Foreign institutes? NO! What if they get kicked out "No Reservations"?
And I'm quite sure that India will not be able to recover once it gets affected by the non-reservations status!
 

rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
Reservations is REALLY VERY necessary. Its only the rich and well-to-do family who disagrees these days.
The fact is: Without Reservations, India might not have even existed in the first place. Can an Indian simply take a VISA and reach Australia or any other Foreign institutes? NO! What if they get kicked out "No Reservations"?
And I'm quite sure that India will not be able to recover once it gets affected by the non-reservations status!

Hmmm, u r pretty much sure of everything...
 

techmaniack

Broken In
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^ well even we say that rreservation should be there but it should be strictly on Financial basis, not on the basis of caste or creed! Today we have the SC/ST working in all major posts of the country including IAS, IPS and IFS and you see their children enjoy the benefit of reservation + 90% concession in fees, but a Brahmin guy who does a part time job to help his family has to take Loans to continue his studies!!!
now how fair is that???
 

way2jatin

Journeyman
My question for Gvt that they say that SC/ST & OBC DONT get a good atmosphere to study but i think that general quota have this problem
This means that better to be a minority
Plz comment on this
 

metalfan

Modern Philosopher
dont fight best thing to do is make fake reservation documents from ur hometown .............if everyone will be reserved then govt will understand..........................besides i consider that if they r given quota then we should have freedom of speech i.e. no prosecution for calling dalits as dalits do u all get my point its a fair deal:razz::razz::razz::razz::razz:
 

abhijangda

Padawan
either reservation should be abolished or reserved seats must be decreased. Many of the reserved seats in IIT's remains empty. Many good and deserving students are not able to get their favourite college and instead those undeserving one's get those good colleges.
If not abolished, reserved seats should be decreased.
 
If reservation continues like that, then there is no use of giving prestigious exams as the IIT-JEE and AIEEE. Incompetent people get selected and a deserving person is left behind. Its all vote bank game . But its a fact that this discussion is going to have no effect on the situation .
"If You dont like a rule, Follow it , reach the top and change the rule !!! "
 

hansraj

In the zone
Lets imagine it like this:

I have been told to set up a new city in the remote island where its only jungle and nothing else(i.e. North Sentinal of Andamans....lol). Basically I have to start from scratch. Now i have some gr8 powers so with the flick of a wand I can create and set up anything for the intial few days till the time the city is inaugrated!! So what do I do- i start placing all segments of society in that city. A Mayor, a local municipal body with few officers and more working class(of course not all be officers), for law enforcing 1-2 IPS Officers and few hundred island police force, 1-2 IAS officers and their team under them. Various other departments like water, electricity, immigration, shipping and so on with similar set up. Also a civil sector which shall have hundreds of masons,labourers,supervisors and few engineers.
At the end of the day I realize that every one wants to be the mayor or an officer but no one wants to be at the bottom!!! But the harsh reality is, for a society all of them have important roles to play! Its just that only the team leader gets the recogntion and rest of them get applauded as a group. So its my responsibility to convey this point to every one so that they continue with their efforts to make this city a great and a grand city. I as a leader is responsible to make them work without any kind of enmity or hatred among them and should not bring any kind of reservation in this city. It shall be my failure if i introduce some thing of that sort.

In modern times this topmost position is taken by Politicians who hail from the labour class(majority of them). They know the aspirations of all and for the votebank they are just doing what will fetch them the maximum votes. Because the reality is "Officer" cadre(higher caste) is just handful and labour class(generally lower caste) is majority so woo them. In present day this greed has been exploited by offering reservation to the lower castes (who were the worker class of yester years) and the higher castes are blamed to bring the lack of opportunity to all. Though in reality this upper castes were as such no threat in any field except for the fact that their ancestors were of higher class in earlier society. These politicians have legally divided the society now.

In this row, the person who was neither from the upper caste nor from the lower, is at the recieving end because he finds today that even after having the calibre he is getting left out and the lower class "idiot" is overtaking him. This lower class "idiot" is just like a whore who wants to be proud of this cheap opportunity and feels offended when he is now addressed as dalit.

The sad reality is the bills are made by the MPs in parliament. This kind of bills abolishing reservation can never be passed in a country like India coz vote bank plays a major role in all this. The vote bank is the worst drawback of a democracy like india.

This fight for reservation is unending now coz someone will always be replacing the worker class and the then existing worker class shall be offered the opportunities.

Dr Bhimrao Ambedkar must have never thought that his name shall be misused in the present context as its done by stupid Mayawati for her petty parochial interests.
 

rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
At the end of the day I realize that every one wants to be the mayor or an officer but no one wants to be at the bottom!!!
This is normal human behavior. That is why we are what we are i.e. HUMAN. we ask, we want, we wish, we get or we snatch, we fight, we beg.
Why would settle for anything less? Is there any particular reason?

But the harsh reality is, for a society all of them have important roles to play!
Its not harsh reality, its the reality.
Its just that only the team leader gets the recogntion and rest of them get applauded as a group. So its my responsibility to convey this point to every one so that they continue with their efforts to make this city a great and a grand city. I as a leader is responsible to make them work without any kind of enmity or hatred among them
Agreed. But one thing you are avoiding/forgetting is that, you can always give all of the demanding class an equal opportunity to come at the top level. Why not Introduce an entrance exam? Here you have to take care on the other important thing also i.e. proper resource for all.
Whoever passes gets a promotion else continues his present role, and tries again after a predefined time frame.
and should not bring any kind of reservation in this city. It shall be my failure if i introduce some thing of that sort.
Agreed. And you should not too.
In modern times this topmost position is taken by Politicians who hail from the labour class(majority of them).
I very much disagree here. What is your definition of labour class? How are you drawing the line of "labour class" and "officer cadre"? What is the base of your comment?

They know the aspirations of all and for the votebank they are just doing what will fetch them the maximum votes.
Agreed. Now-a-days reservation has become an object to lure people for vote.
Because the reality is "Officer" cadre(higher caste) is just handful
This is the most dangerous comment!!! (and not a reality)
Are you trying to say, anyone who belongs to a higher caste, by default falls in "Officer Cadre" ?!!!

In present day this greed has been exploited by offering reservation
Agreed.
the lower castes (who were the worker class of yester years)
What does that even mean???
I guess, you have no idea how casteism was introduced in ancient India and was in practice.
Either refer some history books or read a few previous pages of this thread.

Though in reality this upper castes were as such no threat in any field
Yes they were.
To prove you are elite you have to show someone who is small from you.

In this row, the person who was neither from the upper caste nor from the lower
There were never such "middle caste" or "confused caste" or "na ghar ka, na ghat ka" caste.
You always belong to some caste. The phrase "General Caste" in coined recently and used only while filling forms.

The lower class "idiot" is overtaking him.
This is another dangerous comment.
What do u mean by lower caste idiot.
This lower class "idiot" is just like a whore who wants to be proud of this cheap opportunity and feels offended when he is now addressed as dalit.
How does this even explain who u are addressing as idiot?
The sad reality is the bills are made by the MPs in parliament. This kind of bills abolishing reservation can never be passed in a country like India coz vote bank plays a major role in all this. The vote bank is the worst drawback of a democracy like india.
Sad but true. But this voting system is a drawback of any democracy.

This fight for reservation is unending now coz someone will always be replacing the worker class and the then existing worker class shall be offered the opportunities.
I could not get it. How is it harmful? Everyone should be given an opportunity to prove himself.

Dr Bhimrao Ambedkar must have never thought that his name shall be misused in the present context as its done by stupid Mayawati for her petty parochial interests.
This can be a valid concern.
 

hansraj

In the zone
Agreed. But one thing you are avoiding/forgetting is that, you can always give all of the demanding class an equal opportunity to come at the top level. Why not introduce an entrance exam? Here you have to take care on the other important thing also i.e. Proper resource for all.
Whoever passes gets a promotion else continues his present role, and tries again after a predefined time frame.
This is an ideal solution but has been diluted by the politicians only. What once was a fair competition has become an arena of caste war. This discussion is about the same problem

I very much disagree here. What is your definition of labour class? How are you drawing the line of "labour class" and "officer cadre"? What is the base of your comment?

Labour class (as used by me formerly)= yester years worker class of indian society which included the last two segments vaisya and shudra.
Officer cadre of this island(as used by me formerly)= the present set of deserving people who have made it to that position by open competition and not by any reservations

This is the most dangerous comment!!! (and not a reality)
are you trying to say, anyone who belongs to a higher caste, by default falls in "officer cadre" ?!!!

You have ended up comparing present officer cadre/executives to the old high caste people directly. My comparison was not that straight. I mean the kind of jobs entrusted to higher caste people at old times is somewhat like what we expect from present executive cadre today. i.e important policy decisions, judgements and behaviour. During old times the high caste people enjoyed all the grand privileges, invitations in grand functions, seeking advice on various matters(coz they were considered intellectuals), immunity from punishments and various other such privileges. Similar are the powers of present day executives in our democracy. The only difference is earlier higher caste person inherited that privieige by birth (which was unfair) and today a person has to prove his caliber by appearing in competitive exams. Now introducing reservation here will spoil everything again.

What does that even mean???
I guess, you have no idea how casteism was introduced in ancient india and was in practice.
Either refer some history books or read a few previous pages of this thread.

Well I am not a student of history or for that matter Indian Caste system to know exactly how it was in reality in old times. (Present history is the gift of British rule who believed in "Writing", Indians have only written literature except for a very few like Chanakya; let me know a name of any Indian Historian. I shall know something new which i dont know yet). So what i know about indian caste system is what my elders have told me and I think most of us know that way only. I am deviating though.... I mean that the earlier Vaishya and shudra had limited roles and jobs...may be to cultivate crops, trading, serving someone(kind of slavery) and cleaning up the surroundings. But today the society has various jobs!!! So today its not possible to have that kind of classification based on the job profile..... Result... We dont have that classification also. But its the politicians who want this classification to exist coz that is the only way of their survival. This sense is so strong that they rather than discouraging it, fueled it by bringing in the reservation system. Hence the caste system which should have vanished in thin air with time as the job profile changed, these politicians are still clinging to it for their interests.

This is another dangerous comment.
What do u mean by lower caste idiot.

How does this even explain who u are addressing as idiot?

This idiot is that guy who is seeking reservation based on his ancestarial legacy of dalit being tagged to him. If he is capable as per the present educational norms and requirements he doesnt have to say he is a dalit or something similar. This idiot is that guy who is a non qualified lower caste but wants everything just because he is a dalit.
 

metalfan

Modern Philosopher
I could not get it. How is it harmful? Everyone should be given an opportunity to prove himself.

He means that evrytime there is a worker class to be supressed and their future generations will get reservation
 
if reservation continues like that ..then there will be no place for General Category. The History is itself a proof that majority of best students are from general category (IIT toppers etc)
IMO reservation should be removed from a family when its annual income goes above 2-2.2 lakhs. They should be then considered in General category as they have enough money to feed and educate their children.
 

red dragon

Master troll
Just look at our Country`s medical education system,about 90%of the newly appointed medical teachers have those precious surnames and even precious certificates,and a very few of them can write a sentence correctly,let alone teach medicine.I am a part of medical education system,and believe me it is in a horrible state.
 

gagan007

Uhu, Not Gonna Happen!
if reservation continues like that ..then there will be no place for General Category. The History is itself a proof that majority of best students are from general category (IIT toppers etc)
IMO reservation should be removed from a family when its annual income goes above 2-2.2 lakhs. They should be then considered in General category as they have enough money to feed and educate their children.

History has such proofs my dear friend because ST/SCs have been oppressed for many years...they were not given a fair chance to prove themselves...many generations followed this trend and they all fell back...

Supreme Court has said that the reservation is required not only for the economic but social upliftment as well...so such cut-off is not feasible...
I am not in favor of reservation...but I fully respect Supreme Court of India...

Just look at our Country`s medical education system,about 90%of the newly appointed medical teachers have those precious surnames and even precious certificates,and a very few of them can write a sentence correctly,let alone teach medicine.I am a part of medical education system,and believe me it is in a horrible state.

I do not agree...though some of them (who get reservations) may belong to the kind you are mentioning but not all. I am not in medical profession but I have four very close friends who belong to backward class and are masters in this profession...
 
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