Reasons for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

[aryayush]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

@aryayush. Ubuntu has warned that defualt partitioning formats the entire disk. Well all the OS'es I know of do that. From what Andy said, I got that even Mac does that. And even windows does that AFAIK.
But, you can do manual partitioning and tell it which partition to format, which not to, which to mount, where to mount and all. Installer won't touch that partition otherwise.

I had very clearly instructed it to 'resize' my entire 250GB disk into two partitions: 200GB with the FAT32 that already existed and 50GB for Linux. The installer specifically said that the existing contents won't be harmed during the resizing but still advised me to make a backup. I quit the intallation and made a backup, just in case. And I selected the same options again during installation and it formatted the whole drive and did not even make the two partitions I had requested.
Then I tried to install it on my MBP's internal drive and it erased the Windows installation and THEN told me that Ubuntu could not be installed.
I am not stupid and I know that I did not make ANY mistake. I have installed Ubuntu on my PC in the past alongside Windows and I had configured everything correctly and got Ubuntu installed and working successfully (except the networking part), so I do have past experiences to fall back on.

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

although, i m not taking part in this debate...but aryaush, i don't think u can make a FAT32 partition bigger then 32GB in both Mac & Windows....maybe u can in linux, but thats hardly possible, so how did u managed to make a 200 GB FAT32 partition in Mac/Windows

 

[aryayush]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

First of all, the drive was formatted in the FAT32 format by default. But I have myself done it using Mac too. It is as simple as launching 'Disk Utility', selecting the 'Erase' tab, selecting 'MS-DOS File System' from the 'Volume Format:' drop-down menu, giving it a name and hitting return.

Click on the thumbnail to view the screenshot:
*www.tachypic.com/thumb/2601.jpeg
Note the format and capacity in the information bar at the bottom of the window.

 

[mehulved]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

I had very clearly instructed it to 'resize' my entire 250GB disk into two partitions: 200GB with the FAT32 that already existed and 50GB for Linux. The installer specifically said that the existing contents won't be harmed during the resizing but still advised me to make a backup. I quit the intallation and made a backup, just in case. And I selected the same options again during installation and it formatted the whole drive and did not even make the two partitions I had requested.
Then I tried to install it on my MBP's internal drive and it erased the Windows installation and THEN told me that Ubuntu could not be installed.
I am not stupid and I know that I did not make ANY mistake. I have installed Ubuntu on my PC in the past alongside Windows and I had configured everything correctly and got Ubuntu installed and working successfully (except the networking part), so I do have past experiences to fall back on.

All right sorry about that, I wasn't questioning you but was just asking if you had gone wrong since it is quite possible we all miss a few things sometime and never realise it.

 

[mail2and]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

Yea that comes in cost part! But u can't deny that this scenario resembles to that of MS. Neways we r discussing about end-users experience as requested by aayush and defied by himself who talked further than end-user thing!

I fail to understand how it resembles MS. Firstly, iLife has no competition, on any platform. As I said before, movies made with iMovie have been screened at Cannes. You get OS X and iLife free with your Mac.


I believe that any individual, unless he is a big audio/video editing guy working in a high profile studio, has no business considering Logic Pro or Final Cut Pro. Apple charges companies for these professional apps, as companies use these software for commercial purposes. (All big film studios/audio companies). So, saying that they resemble MS, because they charge for a software, is not only absurd, but also foolish.

 

[mediator]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

Firstly, iLife has no competition, on any platform. As I said before, movies made with iMovie have been screened at Cannes.

I know nuthing about iLife. So can't say how good it is!

You get OS X and iLife free with your Mac.

Free??? Nuthing is for free in the corporate world. ANd I'm really surprised that being a B.Com student and now a moderator u still don't know about such a simple concept! If some companies offer discounts on somewhere then they know how to compensate for it elsewhere! Think about it deeply. So u see its absurd to associate the term "free" with the corporate world! People who think that some company products r free, they r not only foolish but also toooo innocent. If u know how a company works or have some experience in corporate world then u'll probably know what I'm talking about!

Apple charges companies for these professional apps, as companies use these software for commercial purposes. (All big film studios/audio companies). So, saying that they resemble MS, because they charge for a software, is not only absurd, but also foolish.

U r saying as if Apple is the only company that makes professional apps! Goto *www.microsoft.com/products/info/default.aspx?View=22 and u'll find several professional apps used for commercial purposes as well as used for university education purposes! So I guess its ur reason which is absurd which isn't logical and correct enough to say that my reason was absurd!

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

ok, one thing needs to be clerified...ilife is not free

If Apple bundles ilife apps into OS X they will be sued that instant, just like MS got sued, however, if they give it for sale, & still bundle for free with OS X then this way they will not get sued, cos then they are not including it inside the OS but giving it with the OS/Computer at a discount (free). It's a very good strategy to save themselves from being sued

 

[mail2and]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

I know nuthing about iLife. So can't say how good it is!


Free??? Nuthing is for free in the corporate world. ANd I'm really surprised that being a B.Com student and now a moderator u still don't know about such a simple concept!

What I meant was that it is bundled with the package. Not free as in free beer.

U r saying as if Apple is the only company that makes professional apps! Goto *www.microsoft.com/products/info/default.aspx?View=22 and u'll find several professional apps used for commercial purposes as well as used for university education purposes! So I guess its ur reason which is absurd which isn't logical and correct enough to say that my reason was absurd!

Please go to any bollywood movie/music studio. Ask them which software they use for post-production work. Then come back and post. Even though similar apps are available for Windows, most of the creative(graphics, audio, video) work is done on Macs. That's one field, where Apple has dominance(The other being education). By graphical work, I don't mean Badriprasad Narayan Sharma making Rs. 2000/month as a free lancer.
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ok, one thing needs to be clerified...ilife is not free

If Apple bundles ilife apps into OS X they will be sued that instant, just like MS got sued, however, if they give it for sale, & still bundle for free with OS X then this way they will not get sued, cos then they are not including it inside the OS but giving it with the OS/Computer at a discount (free). It's a very good strategy to save themselves from being sued

Nice explanation.

 

[mehulved]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

By graphical work, I don't mean Badriprasad Narayan Sharma making Rs. 2000/month as a free lancer.

Huh, Who's Badriprasad Narayan Sharma

 

[mediator]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

You get OS X and iLife free with your Mac.

What I meant was that it is bundled with the package. Not free as in free beer.

@Andy, in the first post u had explicitly highlighted the term "free" to make ur point! Check for urself! ANd for what else is highlighting done for??? So I'm not sure what u really meant out of the 2 posts! It sounded more affirmly like "free as in free bear".

Please go to any bollywood movie/music studio. Ask them which software they use for post-production work. Then come back and post. Even though similar apps are available for Windows, most of the creative(graphics, audio, video) work is done on Macs. That's one field, where Apple has dominance(The other being education). By graphical work, I don't mean Badriprasad Narayan Sharma making Rs. 2000/month as a free lancer.

Now ur acting a little strange. First I cud understand the typo u made, but now I can't understand why r u acting strangely! The highilighted part is as good as saying that "Go in most homes, and in most of the best companies and find out which operating system they use" to make ur point in Win Vs MAc debate. Isn't that absurd?

And I'm not talking about the creative part alone! It sounds more like as if Ur admitting that Mac is better only for creative part! So u see MS also offers several professional apps used for commercial purposes as well as used for university education purposes! They also offer several products not meant for individuals but companies! I gave u the link, u can freely check it!

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

Please go to any bollywood movie/music studio. Ask them which software they use for post-production work. Then come back and post

Andy, it depends completely on the applications they use, it's not like most of the companies use Apple Mac only....u will find more percentage of companies using X86 PCs with Windows XP on it, because

1) AVID apps, used mostly in TVs, news channel work on Windows

2) If AVID real time compositing hardware is used, they use PCs with Windows

3) If they want to use Autodesk application, they use PCs', cos then they can run, 3Ds Max, Toxic, Combustion on the same computer, instead of buying a Mac on which they cannot use Toxic, & 3Ds Max, but they can use a few others

4) If they want to use Final cut HD, Motion, & Shake 4.1, then they are forced to buy a Mac by Apple, as they do not run on other operating system, Apple again ties the software with the hardware, which I would say is a wrong marketing strategy so that their own product sale more then others. They do the same with ipod too, but that’s a different story

5) If they want to use Maya, & other former alias apps along with Apple compositing apps ,they buy Mac as it runs both

6) If they wanna use Adobe After effect, they would prefer a PC more then a Mac, cos on the same PC there are more apps which can run, which do not run on Mac, however, they can also buy a Mac, if they have some apps which run only on Mac, as After effect is also available for Mac. By the way, just check Premiere Pro is no longer available for Mac, so if a company uses it, they will buy PCs

U said this in the other Windows vs. Mac thread too, let me write here again

Cheapest Mac pro = $2500 approx
Shake 4.1 for Mac = $500

Total cost = $ 3000

Shake 4.1 for Fedora core 4, which is the only Linux it runs on, & I still don't understand the reason, cos inside...all Linux are same for this work, costs $3000. Now add to this cost of a workstation about $2500 again, & u can easily find out why a buyer will buy a Mac, cos that is cost effective, just cos Apple has tied it with their own OS & hardware. Besides, u can go out & buy shake 4.1 off the shelf for a Mac, but if u wanna use it for linux, u will need to call them, give a lot of info, render farm size, number of nodes. At least with Windows & Linux, they can run these apps on any PC hardware, not just dell , or HP

Now u tell me, is this a proper marketing strategy? Is this valid....why don't they get sued for this then.

& by the way, why are u bringing workstations apps to this discussion. This thread was made for end user experience. I had to interfere when u said these lines here, which are compleately wrong as such

The day apple releases MacOS X for general computer, like Windows & Linux, it will loose its stability, tieing to their own Hardware is wrong always. Can u imagine the response, if ubuntu ties their Linux with their own OEM Computers or Windows with their own Microsoft OEM PCs

 

[mail2and]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

cr@p and more cr@p

Star News/Aaj Tak/IBN use Macs. Period.

Most audio studios use Macs(Confirmed by a senior pro who lives in my building)

Same is the case with Movie studios.

These studios don't upgrade like everyday. They have batch upgrades once in two-three years. And they don't buy from retail, they buy from the corporate sales department. Do you even think they change machines? It's sad that you are so grossly misinformed about how offices work. Any computer they buy is used for atleast 2-3 years before upgrading. They max out the specs when the buy a computer so that it lasts them the 2-3 yr. cycle. If you don't believe me, mail the PR department of any movie studio in India(Adlabs). Ask them about their upgrade cycle.

And what do you know about marketing strategy?

I've told you 331231233 times that Apple IS NOT a software company. It's a hardware company that bundles a OS with their hardware. They can't help if the competition uses Fischer Price user interface(Vista).

You're probably posting this cr@p for the 10th time. Accept it, no one listens to you, GX.

To the others: Well, the troll is here. No more sensible debate will be possible, sadly.

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

i came just to say this....& i m not wrong, when i said it depends on the applications they use

 

[mediator]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

@Andy, why r u only talking about softwares used in movies etc?? Ur talking as if in the world of computing there exist no field other than movie editing etc and all u said!

You're probably posting this cr@p for the 10th time. Accept it, no one listens to you, GX.
To the others: Well, the troll is here. No more sensible debate will be possible, sadly.

Don't get offended, but ur exhibiting the same childishness as shown by @aayush! I agreed to what @mehul said. But something like this is not expected from a moderator now! @Gxsaurav posted his opinions etc in a most humble manner and is debating quite respectfully! And I do find his post filled with some sense,sanity instead of crap! But it seems ur only being rude to him and getting personal.
I don't know why u say he is "trolling" coz I find nuthing in his actions that match the meaning of that word. And where has gx written "cr@p and more cr@p" ??

Please behave! And don't behave like @aayush now who even posted my finger here to make him see it quite clearly and properly! ANd please do reply to my post too!

Neways I think it wud be better to switch back to "end-users experience" if u can't reason and reply correctly!

 

[eddie]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

Star News/Aaj Tak/IBN use Macs. Period.

I would like to read more on this. Links?

P.S. Have googled.

 

[mail2and]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

Don't get offended, but ur exhibiting the same childishness as shown by @aayush! I agreed to what @mehul said. But something like this is not expected from a moderator now! @Gxsaurav posted his opinions etc in a most humble manner and is debating quite respectfully! And I do find his post filled with some sense,sanity instead of crap! But it seems ur only being rude to him and getting personal.

He has posted the same stuff 10 times over, in different threads, with a clear intention of deviating the discussion at hand. I have corrected him and told him facts. But, he does not listen.

If you still find my post offensive, go ahead, click on the report postbutton.

 

[aryayush]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

All right sorry about that, I wasn't questioning you but was just asking if you had gone wrong since it is quite possible we all miss a few things sometime and never realise it.

Yeah, I know it was a suggestion and I obviously was not offended by it. Thanks for a civil reply though, some people have obviously long forgotten how to reply in that manner!

The day apple releases MacOS X for general computer, like Windows & Linux, it will loose its stability, tieing to their own Hardware is wrong always. Can u imagine the response, if ubuntu ties their Linux with their own OEM Computers or Windows with their own Microsoft OEM PCs

You know what, if Microsoft's marketing department decided that they could make more money if they introduced a Microsoft PC and tied Windows with it, they would do it in a flash. They don't because they are primarily a software company and make money from the software, not the hardware. Therefore, it makes more sense to sell an operating system that will run on almost any PC in the world, bringing them more customers.
Similarly, Apple is a hardware company and if they tie their world-class operating system and applications with their hardware, people will have more reason to buy the hardware. If the iTunes music service was available to any MP3 player, they would make tens times more money from the service but iPod would not have had even thirty percent market share. Theie primary aim is to sell their Macs, iPods and XServes, not OS X, Final Cut Pro, iLife or iTunes Store. If in the process of selling the hardware, they make money from some of the software too, all the better for them. But they make sure that when you buy a Mac (even Mac Mini, the cheapest of the lot), you get a healthy set of bundled applications and the best OS in the world to run them on. Plus, it gives Apple users a feeling of exclusivity. The difference between a Maruti and Mercedes owner, if you will!

You're probably posting this cr@p for the 10th time. Accept it, no one listens to you, GX.

To the others: Well, the troll is here. No more sensible debate will be possible, sadly.

We do listen to him and it is YOU who is not making sense here, mail2and. Even if some of his posts are illogical and/or biased (and I am not saying that they are), he has every right to post his opinions and I don't think you should make personal comments about it, especially not since you are a moderator. Look at tech_your_future's response to my post for inspiration.

You get OS X and iLife free with your Mac.

Free??? Nuthing is for free in the corporate world. ANd I'm really surprised that being a B.Com student and now a moderator u still don't know about such a simple concept! If some companies offer discounts on somewhere then they know how to compensate for it elsewhere! Think about it deeply. So u see its absurd to associate the term "free" with the corporate world! People who think that some company products r free, they r not only foolish but also toooo innocent. If u know how a company works or have some experience in corporate world then u'll probably know what I'm talking about!

You get Windows Movie Maker and Windows Media Player free with Windows XP. What is wrong with that statement? A pepsi bottle cost Rs. 45 a month ago and it costs the same today but you get a Kurkure packet with it for the same price. So, what do we say? We cannot say it is 'free' according to you, so do we say we bought the packet seperately? I know they adjusted the price of the packet somewhere and they are obviously not suffering a loss due to it, but for all ends and puposes, it is free for us, isn't it? So, if Apple bundles Mac OS X and iLife with every Mac without any additional charge (the price of every upgraded Mac keeps falling, in fact), then it is FREE. Free as in free beer!

Apple charges companies for these professional apps, as companies use these software for commercial purposes. (All big film studios/audio companies). So, saying that they resemble MS, because they charge for a software, is not only absurd, but also foolish.

U r saying as if Apple is the only company that makes professional apps!

When did he say that? I'll bet you hundred bucks if you can quote me the statement in which he either said that directly or even implied so! He just tried to clear your concept of which applications were free and which were not and the reason behind it.
I know you are now going to quote my message, bolden some statements and then say how 'absurd, ignorant, foolish' they are (since these seem to be the only words in your severely limited vocabulary) and then proceed to tell me what my dad would have thought about it. It has become so routine that it seems boring to read through your tirade now, frankly!

 

[Desi-Tek.com]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

unsatisfaction could be the reason for some 1 to switch from mac to linux or linux to mac or or windows to linux vice versa.
but if u are satisfied with ur os and if it is fulfilling ur requirement , than there is no point in switching to other os!.
other than that could be a mind set of people of trying something new or affection toward other os.

 

[mediator]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

He has posted the same stuff 10 times over, in different threads, with a clear intention of deviating the discussion at hand. I have corrected him and told him facts. But, he does not listen.

I dunno about the different threads, but here his sanity levels were high enough. If u did reply to him earlier or made everyone clear with ur points then simply point to that debate with corresponding post numbers. Thats what I always do instead of writing the whole thing again or getting personal. Neways if u feel the topic is being deviated then its fine with me!

If you still find my post offensive, go ahead, click on the report postbutton.

C'mon bro, thats the last thing I'll ever do! @mehul requested me something. Read it. And I indeed found I was wrong. Did I get offended? SO there r other ways to deal instead of getting personal and bringing ur ego around!

You get Windows Movie Maker and Windows Media Player free with Windows XP. What is wrong with that statement? A pepsi bottle cost Rs. 45 a month ago and it costs the same today but you get a Kurkure packet with it for the same price. So, what do we say? We cannot say it is 'free' according to you, so do we say we bought the packet seperately? I know they adjusted the price of the packet somewhere and they are obviously not suffering a loss due to it, but for all ends and puposes, it is free for us, isn't it? So, if Apple bundles Mac OS X and iLife with every Mac without any additional charge (the price of every upgraded Mac keeps falling, in fact), then it is FREE. Free as in free beer!

Since u

1. didn't reply to my earlier posts about Commandline etc (read em all, there r many things u still didn't reply)
2. Can't classifiy users based on their task as stated in Software Engineering, IEEE etc and argue the facts!
3. Can't stick to ur own request of stating "end-users" experience and jump outta topic wheneva u feel like
4. Can't even debate properly in ur excited state and can't differentiate and judge which words shud be brought in debates and what kinda comparable and logical examples to be given. E.g that absurd doctor example
5. Can't even give a proper advice like about parallels and later @Andy saying that ur advice was strange!
6. Quite confidently exhibited ur childishness all the way specially the image of that finger of mine which u have stored in ur hardisk and posted here to make urself see it clearly and properly in larger size.
7. Many more,etc

Witnessing all this from u, u actually lost mah interest in debating with u. U better reply to all those previous posts of mine before asking me to give u further enlightenment!


@aryayush : @Andy is a B.Com guy and probably knew or understood what I said! Want Proof?? Read below

What I meant was that it is bundled with the package. Not free as in free beer.

So @aayush, u may ask the same question about "free" to @Andy. And since he is a B.Com guy, he may be able to explain actually better than me! Now do ask him and don't sit quiet!

then it is FREE. Free as in free beer!

No its not! And ask @Andy how. It seems ur too innocent!

Apple charges companies for these professional apps, as companies use these software for commercial purposes. (All big film studios/audio companies). So, saying that they resemble MS, because they charge for a software, is not only absurd, but also foolish.

U r saying as if Apple is the only company that makes professional apps!

When did he say that? I'll bet you hundred bucks if you can quote me the statement in which he either said that directly or even implied so! He just tried to clear your concept of which applications were free and which were not and the reason behind it.

Say what the @Andy part or the highlighted part?? If ur asking about Andy part, then go back n read again?? If ur asking about the hilighted part then if don't mind to read a little bit more carefully then u'll see clearly that I have written "as if". Now shud I enlighten u about English learning tooo??

I know you are now going to quote my message, bolden some statements and then say how 'absurd, ignorant, foolish' they are (since these seem to be the only words in your severely limited vocabulary) and then proceed to tell me what my dad would have thought about it. It has become so routine that it seems boring to read through your tirade now, frankly!

Atleast the words are better and ethical then ur words, the few words that u have learnt like "su**er" etc in ur skool days in the state of ur childishness and utter them thinking that they make u look quite fancy and modern. People don't realise that these words when spoken that confidently in public actually make them look quite stupid and pathetic! And ofcors if u can radiate ur nature so well with these words, then I guess u shud make urself comfortable with them n front ur dad. Wat say?? Now u'll really surprise me if u say that ur already speak with such words in front of ur dad!
As for the highlighted part, thats a well known fact in debates that a person utters such words when he grows frustrated n can't reason appropriately and has run outta his points! Frankly!
And why do u keep on posting "frankly" after ur personal comments like a child. Aren't ur other opinions and posts frank??

So do ask @andy about that "free" thing!

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: Reasone for a Mac user to make the switch to Linux.

i was taking part in this thread, just cos of the workstation apps discussion, but since now u r again getting personal like u always do, i m backing off...can't argue with a mod who wants to run things his own way

u still have not replied, how do u know they use Mac in Star news etc? Source plz