Pay the Hospital bills by body parts!!

[DigitalDude]

^^^
sad very very sad life can be very mean sometimes


btw din consider this *www.chipin.com/ as a way to raise funds... even if 100 people give $10/$5 we will get a substantial amount.. but where that 100 people will come from I dunno much.. may be NRI's or people with some paypal balance ?


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[din]

@DigitalDude

Thank you for the suggestion, but I am not very sure whether to go for it. Friends, please comment on.

The reason being, the site (*www.helpthefamily.org) gives all info about the family, their bank details etc so that people can donate / help / get in touch with Ajith's family directly - Which makes it very transparent isn't it ?

Now if the site act as an intermediate or start a new paypal address etc (at least that is what I see in chipin.com, I mean we have to give a paypal adress to which people donate), people may suspect there is something suspicious, can't blame them.

What do you think ? Please leave your suggestions / comments.

Another thing is I requested the mods to make this thread a sticky, at least for a month or so. Other members reading this, please request the same to the mods.

 

[DigitalDude]

^^^^

ok agreed...


I thought some people here would have paypal balance but not much in bank account.. so they can send it to reputed members like you or vaithy who will in turn transfer that amount to the family


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[vaithy]

Thanks DigitalDude!

but instead of directly forwarding the amount to me, members can sent the money orders to the affected family. by this the whole process is transparent as well as the members got signed acknowledgement from the family.. may God bless all the good souls here who are trying to help the unknown peoples who suffered under distress!!

vaithy

 

[din]

First - Thanks a lot Vaithy for taking the pain to go there and meet the family members. I was nervous talking to them even over phone ! So I know it was not easy to talk to them in person, I mean they are in such a sad situation

Very sad to know Ajith's father's condition. Really hope he overcome it and everything becomes normal. As we say, may be time heal all wounds.

Updates seen in the website.

The home page and About The Family page has Ajith's photo now.

Ajith's mother started a bank account with Indian Bank, that info is also given in the How Can I help page.

Phone number has been removed from the site due to privacy reasons, but if any one need it, pm Viathy / me / send email as specified in the site. All other details are in site.

Vaithy has the scanned / photo copy of the documents like death certificate etc. Im him / me if you want to verify anything.

Once again, thanks a lot for the support, it is making a difference in their family.

Note: Also, I know majority of Digit forum members are like students etc and may not be in a position to help the family financially. Please do not worry. Do whatever you can. Like spreading the word by mouth, by email, by forum postings, by blogs and all other ways you can think of. It all matters.

And as Vaithy suggested - anyone in Chennai in a position to help Ajith's father ? Like getting him a job, even a very small job will do. I think once he restart working, he will be back to normal slowly.

 

[vaithy]

Din,
my suggestions, His name may be under the photo with his date of birth and date of death..
Now we have sufficient documents 'removal of heart ,kidneyand eyes may be told even from the hospital points of view.. simply copy the death summary report of the hospital.says,' according to the hospital sources..... paste the lines about organs donations. Let the visitors decide what actually happened? perhaps you may contacts other friends also..
If necessary, Hospital documents may be given downloadable link to anyone want to view it, again I am not sure, hospital may say that the hospital documents are confidence correspondence with the patients, they could not be publised in any other public forums..perhaps we need some statement signed by the mother to give necessary permission to publish it..discuss the matter with others...

about the job, first the father had to take the initiative..he has lost any interest in life.. so it is better the family should bring him back to normal..

with regards,
vaithy

 

[drgrudge]

Thread Stuck

Do you want me to change the title of the thread? Might attract a few more eye balls.

 

[infra_red_dude]

Do you want me to change the title of the thread? Might attract a few more eye balls.

Yep, would be better.

 

[drgrudge]

^^
These days it feels that mud slurry is flowing in my brain and not blood. Please suggest a appropriate title or I'll mess up here.

 

[narangz]

^^Help a family?
or something similar?

P.S.-
Suggestion:
If anyone knows someone in a news agency/ news paper then ask him/her to carry the news item on the website?

 

[DigitalDude]

"Help the suffering family of a young accident death victim. Hospital suspected to be stealing body parts to settle bills"

long ?


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[din]

First - thanks a lot Drudge for making this a sticky.

Regarding the topic title, may be Vaithy can suggest more ? As he is the thread starter. Something that has 'Help The Family' and 'Pay hospital bill by body parts" will be better I think

Something like - "Help the family who lost a member in an accident - Had to pay hospital bill by body parts" - hmm bit long. Any suggestions ?

Regarding the documents - I have slightly different opinion in this matter. I fully trust Vaithy even before seeing the documents, even before making phone call to Ajith's parents. And with the documents Vaithy have now (he got it from Ajith's family members when he visted them last week) we can convince other people. I mean the hospital took organs etc.

But the thing is - Will that be of any use ? I mean we all know the hospital took the organs of the person, very tactically. But they have solid proof in their side. The family members were shocked and very sad, the hospital people took advantage of it and got written consent from them to remove it. So even if anyone go legally against the hospital, it will be very tough. In addition to that the family may not be in a position to go legal. I mean as they are very poor and there is no solid support (like a very good lawyer or a good NGO or something like that) behind them and they may be worried on the consequences (form hospital people) and finally thinking about their written consent, they may not move ahead in this matter.

I may be wrong, but please give a thought on this.

I am not discouraging Vaithy and I am not against showing the document part. We should give all the details including the organ donation part etc in forum and emails (may be just check whether it has any legal issues - like whether it is confidential or soemthing - should not be like that I guess, but just to make sure), but may be we can give importance to - Help The Family - only in the website ? Members, please suggest.

Regarding newspaper - yes it is a good idea. But may need to get permission form the family first. May be we can ask the newspaper people to go there directly.

Ajith's cousin made a call today, I told him I removed the phone number from the website, also added Ajith's mother's Bank Account details.

 

[slugger]

I had used the title "Family loses its sole breadwinner along with his organs" on my blog

@din

Sorry for not responding back to you earlier. I had read and checked the site the same afternoon but was unable to compose an appropriate response [inertia being one of the reasons]. I want to send you a pm and shall do so tonight.

Regards

 

[din]

@slugger

No problem. What you have done is an excellent thing. I mean the blog post. I am very happy Thinkdigit has such great members who want to help others.

Also, I think Slugger's blog post title is really good, may be we can use the same title here if he do not mind ? But will wait for Vaithy's suggestion as he is the thread starter.

 

[vaithy]

Thanks for the members as well as the 'mod' here for making the thread as sticky..usually my posting always some thing about my organisation as well general news.. i never feel or make such a social cause will affect many members here which predominantly consists of I.T. professionals as well as students.. the story affect me great deal so as a man who possessed to help the family, I posted the thread..My good luck 'din' has picked the thread and put a powerful base for continuing the thread for helping the family in need..besides he made a separate website with his own money..besides many friends here either put the story on their own blogs, or some other websites.... So this thread has affected many members here..
Now this is the time to change the title of the thread...here are the my views
every day we saw or hear many incidents in our neighbourhood or in our town, never come in to public ,news, t.v. etc/ even the members need not post any such incident in separate thread as this mainly a technology forum, so thier news can be posted here, based on these we may perhaps discuss ,investigate and enquire about the incidents with the help of members in the respective locations..
What sort of news ? organs trading, human trafficking,child labour,child abuse etc.,the affected party should be known or the location known to the poster.. this make the victim's location traceable and benefit can reach them...
i f we can help one family, it is possible to help others equally deserved...We are not a NGO, not the GOVT neither the social organisation..but somehow by bring the news and actively discussing such thread can lead to wide awareness, and subsequently reach the organisation who are taking their causes..
here are my titles and comments!

1)Help the helpless!! (this like a 'cry' compaign or some sort of donation drive readers may vary to go through once they see the title..
2)The news of body raiders!!! ( may induce some one read but can it convert to help?)
3)The untold stories of less fortunates!!(this is much appropriate general topic title,here we bring less known atrocities committed on less fortunates peoples, and bring their tales in to lime lights..)

Each of the story may have some tag, such as 'Ajith's story' will refer to the first story published in this series... thus if any one want to refer and go back to old stroy simply refer as Ajith's story'..

Now members can contribute their idea how the thread can be live and useful to helping the suffering peoples..

vaithy
Note: When I compose the notes, I didn't see the slugger's post and din's reply, din himself aptly explained why the organ as well as the mention of hospital is not repeated here..Now the family's story is separately mentioned in separate website as well as blog post et., we may refrain from repeating the same here.. it'll be a overkill..

vaithy

 

[din]

That is really nice suggestion from Vaithy. I mean keeping the thread sticky and discussing similar issues. Like someone very trusted should verify the incident and then we will discuss what we can do on that.

@slugger

Thanks a lot for the suggestion, sorry, was bit busy last few days, couldn't make the changes, but I will do it asap.

I also contacted another friend and he promised me that he will write an article in his blog.

One of my friends in UK (NRI, was my classmate in Engineering college) asked me whether she can join in this, she is not from ThinkDigit. I told her we are very happy in that. she will be sending emails and links to many of her friends. Hope it will work. She told me shes sending a cheque as well.

Main thing is convincing the people I think. As they get hundreds of scam / spam emails every day, can't blame them too.

Anyway, very happy a lot of Digit members came forward in this matter and trying to help the family directly and indirectly.

 

[infra_red_dude]

Din, did you implement the auto-mail-responder for the details?

 

[din]

Infra,

No, but Vaithy showed the website to Vinod (Ajith's cousin) and confirmed that they do not have any problems giving the address etc in the website. I talked to them over phone on another day and asked about it again. So I thought we will keep it like that. I mean leaving the address in site.

Only suggestion form them was to remove the phone number, so I removed it.

I think by giving the full information like address, location, bank details etc - we are making it very transparent isn't it ? So that peolpe can contact them directly, it will help them to verify the incident also (for those who think its a scam etc).

What do you think ?

Also, got my pm ?

 

[infra_red_dude]

Infra,

No, but Vaithy showed the website to Vinod (Ajith's cousin) and confirmed that they do not have any problems giving the address etc in the website. I talked to them over phone on another day and asked about it again. So I thought we will keep it like that. I mean leaving the address in site.

Only suggestion form them was to remove the phone number, so I removed it.

I think by giving the full information like address, location, bank details etc - we are making it very transparent isn't it ? So that peolpe can contact them directly, it will help them to verify the incident also (for those who think its a scam etc).

Actually its not about the family's consent. Its more about some form of harm being caused to them by external agencies due to it. Thats my only concern.

What do you think ?

Also, got my pm ?

Err.. No.. when did you send it?

 

[din]

I totally understand and ready to remove all contact info.

But why I was worried a lil -

I sent an email to many of my friends with the site link, posted in many forums. Majority think its a scam ! Can't blame them as we all get hundreds of emails every day. But only advantage is the address and other info that we provide in the website. I mean it makes it very transparent. We do not act as a medium of communication for the visitors and do not work as an intermediate in the $$$ donation part.

If we ask the visitor to send an email or fill out a form in the website to get the address or contact info of the family, they will surely suspect there is something suspicious.

I really understand your concern. It is a very valid point. But on the other hand I think about the credibility of the website too. One of my close friends wrote me - "...don't look so genuine and am unsure as they have removed the phone number..." (But that guy is my close friend and I sent him a very detailed reply with all details and he convinced) Even the phone number removal raises eyebrow (we had to remove it as per the suggestion from the family members) so I am not sure how the visitors will react to the contact info removal.

I totally agree we should give more importance to the family, so if all think we should remove address part from the website, please let me know I will sure do it.

Never mind on the PM. That was just the same thing, I mean the address / contact info part.