Pay the Hospital bills by body parts!!
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MetalheadGautham
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good idea.
One member here already guessed correctly the name of the hospital... When i wrote i was simply in the shock state at 11.30 p.m at midnight I compiled this posting..
previously I only know the father's side.. it is wrong to post the matter without the Hospital in question given adequate chance to reply to the allegation.. so now I am thinking on behalf of hospital authority/management..
they give the services to the deceased family.. this fact is not disputed.. and there is a high amount of bill, again this is not disputed, for the eyes taken out father has given some paper signed to the hospital .. this may be the authorisation .. so nothing wrong.. after death of the boy the eyes may be used for giving life to another soul... but the organs taken out of the body, the boy's father has no proof... because he only see the stiching in the abdomen, where as the injury is to head and legs... so he presume some thing taken out.. the Hospital may not dare to take out the organ without the permission of the father .. they may give you the signed document to prove the points.. further since there is a considerable delay that I get the news, the father now only wanted, that everybody left him alone.. but I am thinking about thousands of fathers like him in India, who are suffering the Corporate health care syndicate in India!!..
I told my family, if anything happened my organs may be gifted to any Govt. Hospital where only poor are taking treatment...
with sorrows,
vaithy
previously I only know the father's side.. it is wrong to post the matter without the Hospital in question given adequate chance to reply to the allegation.. so now I am thinking on behalf of hospital authority/management..
they give the services to the deceased family.. this fact is not disputed.. and there is a high amount of bill, again this is not disputed, for the eyes taken out father has given some paper signed to the hospital .. this may be the authorisation .. so nothing wrong.. after death of the boy the eyes may be used for giving life to another soul... but the organs taken out of the body, the boy's father has no proof... because he only see the stiching in the abdomen, where as the injury is to head and legs... so he presume some thing taken out.. the Hospital may not dare to take out the organ without the permission of the father .. they may give you the signed document to prove the points.. further since there is a considerable delay that I get the news, the father now only wanted, that everybody left him alone.. but I am thinking about thousands of fathers like him in India, who are suffering the Corporate health care syndicate in India!!..
I told my family, if anything happened my organs may be gifted to any Govt. Hospital where only poor are taking treatment...
with sorrows,
vaithy
victor_rambo
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The stich marks may be due to post mortem conducted on his body. Not necessarily due to "taking organs out of the body".
BTW could you plz edit the first post because you said that that the hospital had taken away all the organs and in the have post you said that father just "presumed".
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din
Tribal Boy
Vaithy, very valid point and I was about to post the same.
I mean, we do not know the other side. Whether they took all organs without his Dad's permission, which are all organs they took, whether they took any organs at all (like the injuries may be coz of the accident and surgery and may not be because they took organs ?).
So may be we will wait before we jump into conclusions. and I totally agree with Vaithy's post above.
Glad we all decided to wait a bit !
I mean, we do not know the other side. Whether they took all organs without his Dad's permission, which are all organs they took, whether they took any organs at all (like the injuries may be coz of the accident and surgery and may not be because they took organs ?).
So may be we will wait before we jump into conclusions. and I totally agree with Vaithy's post above.
Glad we all decided to wait a bit !
when I said the story on the side of the father, it was the certainty but when I told on the side of Hospital,'it is presumed'. by mistake I type all organs instead of 'all the vital organs' i.e., kidney and liver..You can tell whether a bag is empty or not even without seeing inside.. obviously the DAD may know the Son's physical appearance.. Now what about eyes?.. . but I'll post after inquiring the co-worker who passed the story.. The co-worker didn't know the boy personaly as he was working in the another project in the same office.. further there is no unity among the workers of BPO, they are like a modern slaves working for foreigners except few workers, no body bother to enquire about the incident...If any body working in BPO pl PM me I want to know how such incident are taken on behalf of the deceased employee, by the BPO management
thanking you,
vaithy
thanking you,
vaithy
Further enquiry with the co-worker reveal the following: the co-worker has never worked with the deceased as they are in different project only occassionaly seen in canteen. One of the manager of the BPO has given more details on the deceased, but on the conditions that the BPO name should not be dragged in to this affair.. they have already helped to the family as per lega requirements.
the Boy's name Ajith,Accident happened on 1 st march 2008, when the boy taken his salary return home at 8 P.M there is dark portion of the road side, he was hit by a speeding vechicle.. seen by the friends ,and taken to nearest hospital, named,'Mehtha Hospital'. On examination the hospital told them injury was on the head, and concluded that a vital nerve (I think it is brain nerve) was damaged, and they have no facility for attended this type.. they didn't tell them which hospital to take the boy..the friends immediately panicked, taken the boy to the nearest 'Superspeciality Hospital' They immediately admitted him.. but the documents were not signed by the father, he couldn't understand it (don'tknow English) One cousin who come with the father has signed on behalf of father, but he also didn't read what were written inside.After three days the boy dead.At the time of release of body, the hospital staff has told the father, since he is not in a position to pay three lakh bill they take some exchange in lieu of the bill.(eye sockets filled with cotton swap, from chest to abdomen indicated nothing inside) and the angry father was told, that indeed permission was taken from him (which he hotly denied) The BPO managment which had to reimburse the medical expenses(the boy is temporary staff) think the treatment worth around Rs1 lahk only. It want to avoid any involvement in the fight between Hospital and the father of the boy.
I am willing to realease the address portion of the the Father with phone number if any news paper/TV channel in chennai(I am not acquinted with any of them). Any member in chennai may pl PM me
Thanking you,
vaithy
the Boy's name Ajith,Accident happened on 1 st march 2008, when the boy taken his salary return home at 8 P.M there is dark portion of the road side, he was hit by a speeding vechicle.. seen by the friends ,and taken to nearest hospital, named,'Mehtha Hospital'. On examination the hospital told them injury was on the head, and concluded that a vital nerve (I think it is brain nerve) was damaged, and they have no facility for attended this type.. they didn't tell them which hospital to take the boy..the friends immediately panicked, taken the boy to the nearest 'Superspeciality Hospital' They immediately admitted him.. but the documents were not signed by the father, he couldn't understand it (don'tknow English) One cousin who come with the father has signed on behalf of father, but he also didn't read what were written inside.After three days the boy dead.At the time of release of body, the hospital staff has told the father, since he is not in a position to pay three lakh bill they take some exchange in lieu of the bill.(eye sockets filled with cotton swap, from chest to abdomen indicated nothing inside) and the angry father was told, that indeed permission was taken from him (which he hotly denied) The BPO managment which had to reimburse the medical expenses(the boy is temporary staff) think the treatment worth around Rs1 lahk only. It want to avoid any involvement in the fight between Hospital and the father of the boy.
I am willing to realease the address portion of the the Father with phone number if any news paper/TV channel in chennai(I am not acquinted with any of them). Any member in chennai may pl PM me
Thanking you,
vaithy
Now the co-worker of the boy has got death report issued by the Police Inspector on which the postmortem certificate endorsed by the Head of Dept,Department of Forensic Medicine, Kilpauck medical College Hospital, One donation consent form for 'Eyes and blood samples" signed by the nearest relative...and another is certificate issued by the Corporation of Madras for 'burial ground Report of Death'
So far, my posting are only a heresay, nothing more..Monday I'll attach the documents copies after scanning the documents Except eye donation and blood sample donation consent form, other forms are in Tamil...
Death Report:
R-4 PONDY BAZAR TR INV. PS Cr.no.162/tn2/2008@304 A IPC & 184 M.V. ACT (SELF), u/s338 ipc & 184 MV act (self)
2.Name: Ajith Kumar s/O Babu
3.Date of Date 04-03-2008 at 18.00 hrs 4. Place of Death : ******* Hospital Ward.
5.Professsion: ****** Associate (**marked are BPO name, the documents without their help could not be obtained, so their name are not dragged here.
7. Whether to be buried /burnt: Burried,
8. Name of the Burial ground : Nungambakkam burial ground.
post Postmortem endorsement isssued on 05-03-08 at 4-15 P.m
curiously the 'Voluntary donation form for Eyes and Blood sample' is not issued by the Hospital where the Boy dead, it is in the name of another Hospital (eyespecialist ) nearest to it.. no where it mentioned that the eyes are exchanged for three lahk rupees. this is the only evidence that the eyes has taken out in lieu of fees.. But they mentioned it as 'voluntary' no date is mentioned there, also the form is only a carbon copy which is given to the boy's brother in law who signed it on the dotted line.. The death is mentioned 04-03-08 at 11.PM .
Now the question is.. when a accident happened then it become Law subject.. the body which damaged in the process is treated as property of State.. In the analogy, if the body is due for Postmaortem, then how can hospital remove eyes and other parts in the body sent the remaining to PM..
why there is no police objection filed ? why the Govt doctor who perform the postmortem didn't file the objection.?... why the case which was involved in accident is treated as self implicated (No opposition involved.. according to police theory the boy implicate the accident on his own???)
There is some Tamil saying.."when devils ruled, 'veda's obliged to eat Dead corps ..
So far, my posting are only a heresay, nothing more..Monday I'll attach the documents copies after scanning the documents Except eye donation and blood sample donation consent form, other forms are in Tamil...
Death Report:
R-4 PONDY BAZAR TR INV. PS Cr.no.162/tn2/2008@304 A IPC & 184 M.V. ACT (SELF), u/s338 ipc & 184 MV act (self)
2.Name: Ajith Kumar s/O Babu
3.Date of Date 04-03-2008 at 18.00 hrs 4. Place of Death : ******* Hospital Ward.
5.Professsion: ****** Associate (**marked are BPO name, the documents without their help could not be obtained, so their name are not dragged here.
7. Whether to be buried /burnt: Burried,
8. Name of the Burial ground : Nungambakkam burial ground.
post Postmortem endorsement isssued on 05-03-08 at 4-15 P.m
curiously the 'Voluntary donation form for Eyes and Blood sample' is not issued by the Hospital where the Boy dead, it is in the name of another Hospital (eyespecialist ) nearest to it.. no where it mentioned that the eyes are exchanged for three lahk rupees. this is the only evidence that the eyes has taken out in lieu of fees.. But they mentioned it as 'voluntary' no date is mentioned there, also the form is only a carbon copy which is given to the boy's brother in law who signed it on the dotted line.. The death is mentioned 04-03-08 at 11.PM .
Now the question is.. when a accident happened then it become Law subject.. the body which damaged in the process is treated as property of State.. In the analogy, if the body is due for Postmaortem, then how can hospital remove eyes and other parts in the body sent the remaining to PM..
why there is no police objection filed ? why the Govt doctor who perform the postmortem didn't file the objection.?... why the case which was involved in accident is treated as self implicated (No opposition involved.. according to police theory the boy implicate the accident on his own???)
There is some Tamil saying.."when devils ruled, 'veda's obliged to eat Dead corps ..
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din
Tribal Boy
@vaithy
I totally agree with you and share the same feelings
But I do not know what we can do in this matter. I know this is injustice (if the police didn't start investigation on the accidents and if there is no explanation / details of organ donation)
On the other hand, if it is just the eye donation, we can't blame the hospital authorities. I mean thinking on a positive way, the poor family lost the guy, but if any blind man /woman in the world get sight and see what light is, just because of the person who died, that is a good thing.
Of course, I do not know whether the approval was sought to remove eyes, whether the person who got the eyes had to pay for it etc. Nothing I know.
On a different note, I have another idea.
Anyway to get the bank details of any family members ? I mean the name, branch name and account number may be ? I think we may not be able to do anything legally, atleast for the time being - as there are no solid proof. But what we can do is to help the poor family, donate what we can. That is why.
What do you think ? Is it a good idea ? Please comment on.
I totally agree with you and share the same feelings
But I do not know what we can do in this matter. I know this is injustice (if the police didn't start investigation on the accidents and if there is no explanation / details of organ donation)
On the other hand, if it is just the eye donation, we can't blame the hospital authorities. I mean thinking on a positive way, the poor family lost the guy, but if any blind man /woman in the world get sight and see what light is, just because of the person who died, that is a good thing.
Of course, I do not know whether the approval was sought to remove eyes, whether the person who got the eyes had to pay for it etc. Nothing I know.
On a different note, I have another idea.
Anyway to get the bank details of any family members ? I mean the name, branch name and account number may be ? I think we may not be able to do anything legally, atleast for the time being - as there are no solid proof. But what we can do is to help the poor family, donate what we can. That is why.
What do you think ? Is it a good idea ? Please comment on.
Dear Din,
Just think about it..A father who has just lost his breadwinner of the family was presented with Rs.three lahks / demand, and couble of form to be signed so he can get decent burial for the body.. one of the relative signed.. later he received the body without some organs, which the hospital told him as 'donation' / they are magnimous so they drop the demand..
on the other side there is a law... A donation will be a voluntary and no coercion involved by any party to the decision.. didn't the presentation of high amount of bill (without any clarification ..what are the services?).. worse the father now even don't has the satisfaction that he had just paid the bill by body parts of his son..Very cleverly, instead of exchange document, they put the donation document of another Hospital , so they later they can always deny that they ever made any such exchange.. on the other hand the family is still under debt to the Hospital for Rs three lahks..Just a phone call to the local police station, can put entire family into jail for non-payment of Hospital fees..
I know my ranting wouldn;t help the family.. so let us make some concrete suggestion how to help them without attracting the Hospital ire?
Here the full address:
Mr.Babu Nair
F/o Ajithkumar(deceased)
7/17, aranganathan street,
Chetput, Chennai: PIN_600031
phone No.64614413
Digit Members who are Malayalee can help the poor family by contacting the local relatives or friends to advise them give some form of support to the the family, Although a Tamilian, I only think of them another fellow Indian who suffer under worst corruption forces..So far I have no direct contact with them.. only through the co- workers, so if any body has contact with the family pl introduce me as a relative of one of the co- worker.. tht is enough for me..
My special thanks to 'din' who share the same agony of the family with me..
Again my advance thanks to all the members9irrespective of their language barriers, who has gave the warmest support in this matter..
Thanks for all
with regards vaithy
Just think about it..A father who has just lost his breadwinner of the family was presented with Rs.three lahks / demand, and couble of form to be signed so he can get decent burial for the body.. one of the relative signed.. later he received the body without some organs, which the hospital told him as 'donation' / they are magnimous so they drop the demand..
on the other side there is a law... A donation will be a voluntary and no coercion involved by any party to the decision.. didn't the presentation of high amount of bill (without any clarification ..what are the services?).. worse the father now even don't has the satisfaction that he had just paid the bill by body parts of his son..Very cleverly, instead of exchange document, they put the donation document of another Hospital , so they later they can always deny that they ever made any such exchange.. on the other hand the family is still under debt to the Hospital for Rs three lahks..Just a phone call to the local police station, can put entire family into jail for non-payment of Hospital fees..
I know my ranting wouldn;t help the family.. so let us make some concrete suggestion how to help them without attracting the Hospital ire?
Here the full address:
Mr.Babu Nair
F/o Ajithkumar(deceased)
7/17, aranganathan street,
Chetput, Chennai: PIN_600031
phone No.64614413
Digit Members who are Malayalee can help the poor family by contacting the local relatives or friends to advise them give some form of support to the the family, Although a Tamilian, I only think of them another fellow Indian who suffer under worst corruption forces..So far I have no direct contact with them.. only through the co- workers, so if any body has contact with the family pl introduce me as a relative of one of the co- worker.. tht is enough for me..
My special thanks to 'din' who share the same agony of the family with me..
Again my advance thanks to all the members9irrespective of their language barriers, who has gave the warmest support in this matter..
Thanks for all
with regards vaithy
Praka,
thanks you for your concern... But revenge is not the matter here.. How to help the family in distress , who had lost the breadwinner..I give phone number.. some body speaking malayalam can enquire them, what are the requirements, also genral enquiry about whether the Hospital releive them for any future payment, or they give any detailed bills for the services rendered..
As rightly pointed by 'Din' any further antagonism against the Hospital prove to be the counter productive, and the family itself may suffer further as a result of this..Hospital should be teached some lesson no doubt.. but this need some additional documents, such as, Police register for accident, case diary, as well as the complete postmaortem report whether additional organs other than the eyes had been intact while the postmortem performed ?.. this involved conflict with the law officers which we don't want at present..
Please ask one of digit member in chennai to speak to the family.. It is the family 's welfare that is the matter now.. if they don't need any help now, we simply close this thread..
thanking you,
vaithy
thanks you for your concern... But revenge is not the matter here.. How to help the family in distress , who had lost the breadwinner..I give phone number.. some body speaking malayalam can enquire them, what are the requirements, also genral enquiry about whether the Hospital releive them for any future payment, or they give any detailed bills for the services rendered..
As rightly pointed by 'Din' any further antagonism against the Hospital prove to be the counter productive, and the family itself may suffer further as a result of this..Hospital should be teached some lesson no doubt.. but this need some additional documents, such as, Police register for accident, case diary, as well as the complete postmaortem report whether additional organs other than the eyes had been intact while the postmortem performed ?.. this involved conflict with the law officers which we don't want at present..
Please ask one of digit member in chennai to speak to the family.. It is the family 's welfare that is the matter now.. if they don't need any help now, we simply close this thread..
thanking you,
vaithy
din
Tribal Boy
@vaithy
Thanks a lot for the details. I will sure make a phone call and will get maximum details and will find a way to help them. With the help of friends, I am sure we will be able to donate something to the poor family. It may not come to 3 lakhs or any huge amount like that. But I am pretty sure even a small amount will help them in this condition.
@praka123
We also thought of that first. But on a second thought, that does not sound as a good idea. The main reason is, there is no solid proof. So we just can't give publicity by putting it in newspapers or calling TV channels. That may worsen the situation
@all Digit forum members
How many time we blame our Government, how many time we blame for slow internet speed, how many time we complain for things which are luxurious for some other people. Why not get united in this cause ? Why not donating something to the poor family ? Please make this thread active. We may not be able to make anything against the hospital or we may not be able to help anything in the investigation. The family lost a guy just like every one in this forum. He might be like one of us. Young, educated, working in a company, having a lot of dreams for him and for his family. And all of his dreams and his family's dreams shattered by the fatal accident, the poor family lost a member which they will never get back. Only thing we can do is, to help them. Consider ourselves as very lucky, we have a lot of things in our life which many other Indians does not have. Why not sharing a small percentage with the poor family of our friend ?
Please think about it, please suggest what we can do. No legal battle or publicity movements. Just some noble way to help the family, mostly in the finance.
Special thanks to Vaithy and I really hope others will agree and make this a good movement.
Thank you dear friends.
Thanks a lot for the details. I will sure make a phone call and will get maximum details and will find a way to help them. With the help of friends, I am sure we will be able to donate something to the poor family. It may not come to 3 lakhs or any huge amount like that. But I am pretty sure even a small amount will help them in this condition.
@praka123
We also thought of that first. But on a second thought, that does not sound as a good idea. The main reason is, there is no solid proof. So we just can't give publicity by putting it in newspapers or calling TV channels. That may worsen the situation
@all Digit forum members
How many time we blame our Government, how many time we blame for slow internet speed, how many time we complain for things which are luxurious for some other people. Why not get united in this cause ? Why not donating something to the poor family ? Please make this thread active. We may not be able to make anything against the hospital or we may not be able to help anything in the investigation. The family lost a guy just like every one in this forum. He might be like one of us. Young, educated, working in a company, having a lot of dreams for him and for his family. And all of his dreams and his family's dreams shattered by the fatal accident, the poor family lost a member which they will never get back. Only thing we can do is, to help them. Consider ourselves as very lucky, we have a lot of things in our life which many other Indians does not have. Why not sharing a small percentage with the poor family of our friend ?
Please think about it, please suggest what we can do. No legal battle or publicity movements. Just some noble way to help the family, mostly in the finance.
Special thanks to Vaithy and I really hope others will agree and make this a good movement.
Thank you dear friends.
din
Tribal Boy
OK, I made a call in the morning. I guess his mom attended the call. I was lil nervous as I was not sure what to talk or how. I hope I manged it anyway.
The accident happened on March 1 (so he was in hospital for 3 days ?) , I didn't ask much details as his mom was very sad and they do not know me in real too. I asked them whether they got any help from any other kerala people residing there (like association etc) and she said they didn't. They are running a small tea shop and it is closed after his death and they didn't re-open it yet.
I told them some of my friends decided to make a small donation / help and whether they have any problem accepting it. She was so sad and couldn't complete talking, but asked me to call after 10.00. Seems I will be able to talk to the cousin.
I will keep you updated.
Anyone in this forum want to contribute something (however small the amount may be, it really matters it seems) please make this thread active. That is the least we can do for the family, I mean a small help financially.
The accident happened on March 1 (so he was in hospital for 3 days ?) , I didn't ask much details as his mom was very sad and they do not know me in real too. I asked them whether they got any help from any other kerala people residing there (like association etc) and she said they didn't. They are running a small tea shop and it is closed after his death and they didn't re-open it yet.
I told them some of my friends decided to make a small donation / help and whether they have any problem accepting it. She was so sad and couldn't complete talking, but asked me to call after 10.00. Seems I will be able to talk to the cousin.
I will keep you updated.
Anyone in this forum want to contribute something (however small the amount may be, it really matters it seems) please make this thread active. That is the least we can do for the family, I mean a small help financially.
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