Next Gen Console discussion ( PS4 'n Xbox One'n Wii U )

[CommanderShawnzer]

Finally! The peasants shall taste the scourge known as DRM!

 

[heidi2521]

Xbox One won't allow indies to self-publish g - Video Game News, Videos and File Downloads for PC and Console Games at Shacknews.com

CVG Blog: Opinion: Only games can save Xbox One - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

Microsoft and Sony Diverge on Gaming ‘Cloud’ - Digits - WSJ

“If you’re backwards compatible, you’re really backwards,” he said.

After an awful start, Xbox One must redeem itself at E3 | GamesIndustry International

The PA Report - The Kinect is mandatory, and can’t be turned off: Welcome your new motion sensing, Xbox One overlord

Is Microsoft Using XBox and Kinect To Spy On You? » BiG DaH's Kage

“You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service. These communications may be monitored; however, we cannot monitor the entire Service and make no attempt to do so. You understand that these communications can be recorded and used by others, and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions may be broadcast to others. Some games may utilize game managers and hosts. Game managers and hosts are not authorized Microsoft spokespersons, and their views do not necessarily reflect those of Microsoft. We do not routinely monitor your use of the communication features of the Service. However, to the maximum extent permitted by law, we may monitor your communications and may disclose information about you as set forth in this Section 9.”

 

[vickybat]

not replying. Keeping this clean. Anyone who wishes to reply, please take this to the offtopic thread.

Just report the post mate.

 

[heidi2521]

Dan Adelman ‏@Dan_Adelman

One might think I'd be glad Xbox won't allow indies to self-publish. It's actually a big negative, as indies need more exposure. #growthepie

*twitter.com/Dan_Adelman/status/337238668924317696

 

[vickybat]

Analysis: Xbox One versus PlayStation 4

A fairly simple and well written article.

 

[heidi2521]

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[Extreme Gamer]

Xbox One Reveal Conference Review

Yeah people seem to be whining about games and we'll come to know about that precisely after 3 weeks or so, before passing a verdict.

Considering the advent of ipads and ultra smartphones, it was necessary to take the console approach in a different direction, not neglecting the gaming aspect of course.
The design of the console and the controller itself is great. I mean there was nothing wrong with the 360 controller ( it was better than DS3), and they've done the right thing, improvising on the existing design.

The more emphasis on living room is what making hardcore gamers lose temper, but i don't see a problem with this approach. They are not necessarily following the original wii's plans.
I mean apart from the added ( excellent) gesture controls and living room features, this will still have all the hardcore titles. Atleast all major multiplats will definitely show up on the xbox one, and exclusives are already promised.

I kind of liked their approach. Under the hood, its still an x86 based console and will have all the benefits the PS4 has from a pure development standpoint.
I don't think its gonna falter in this department. E3 is going to be a 2 hour conference both for sony and microsoft. Games will take the center stage there.

1. But they did neglect gaming. From this reveal it is not clear whether the new Xbox is a media entertainment device or a gaming console.
2. Fact: I had hand pain for a week after a light 3-hour session on the 360 controller at a friends place. The DS3 gave me no trouble whatsoever. So much for the 360 controller being better...
3. Gesture controls are not revolutionary, and I don't want to look like a living-room loony. Kinect is designed to spy on you. No way does that get my money.
4. Given the fact that certain GPU units are reserved for computation on the Xbox while the PS4 (apparently) has a fully flexible heterogenous pipeline, I think the Xbox will be a little more troublesome to code for than the PS4.

People are only making fun of this reveal. There are going to be hardcore(hopefully) titles, and I'm sure everybody will be happy about it

Exactly.

EA is developing Wii U games, has bigger plans for PS4 and Xbox One, CFO says | Polygon

Well, that was quick



So much snaking and dodging. Can't say I expected any better.

I got pissed off after 5 minutes and gave up watching the rest.

Hehe, EA can't even make up it's own mind. This has been a weird day, so many claims and counter-claims.

In other news, EA is set to piss off more of their PC fans (the few that remain, anyway)

PC version of Fifa 14 won’t be using EA’s new Ignite engine

I think EA has lost the plot of survival completely.

I think that Microsoft may be trying "the flood of carefully worded, apparently conflicting information".

Eg. "You don't need to pay to install used games" claims person one
"You need to pay to play used games" says person two.

When read some time apart you end up conflating them while they don't actually contradict each other.

If they wanted to clear the confusion they would have openly said "We won't block used games and you don't have to pay for them again" or something to that effect.

On the Wii U there were no EA games in development a week ago. Now they are developing them right after the Xbox One was announced. Strange. Innit?

Agreed.

Yup,The Ignite Engine can only work on a console which is based on "Rocket-Science level stuff"

I hope PC game drought does not come......

Oh how I love the smell of sarcasm before a good night's sleep!

Xbox One Already Up for Pre-order in the UK

Xbox One Reveal Reactions... WTF?

Microsoft Unveils Xbox One: The One and Only Machine One Needs in the Living Room.

This really sucks a lot. The game is actually tied to a live account which is unique to a user. Even if a user bricks his/her console, a new console can still play the games if logged in through the old account. So its an online check and not a hardware checking protocol.

Not sure if you're trying to defend the DRM after saying it sucks. Could you please clarify?

Well its way too early to pass a comment on that aspect mate. It was just a physical reveal. Expect games and much more at E3.

Yeah someone should change the xbox 720 to xbox one.

This was nothing more than a feature reveal. A physical reveal gives some technical details of the innards with a bit more depth.

This forum seems to have no shortage of geniuses to beef up my ignore list with.

I'm pretty sure saying that you have an unprecedented partnership, that the console is amazing, that it has your full support etc. one day and then simply giving half assed late ports and calling it the end of the deal, saying that the console is crap the next day, it wont be getting any games from you etc. counts as backstabbing.

They are blocking yt videos of their games to make sure that their brand image , games marketing etc. is not hurt. Whatever they may earn from this will be negligible for them. They are blocking people only if they are trying to monetize their intellectual property without their consent. What they are doing is bs but it is not unique to them. A lot of Japanese companies like SEGA and Square Enix do the same due to a lack of understanding of the western Internet culture. The difference is that they are only targeting monetized videos right now rather than all of them. If you are doing non commercial work the contentid system should stay away from your videos.

Saying that they are doing this to grub money takes another level of geniusosity that I cannot comprehend.

Where did I depict them as the underdog?

Xbox 360

Lets see if Kinect 2.0 is any better.

Microsoft talks Xbox One naming, privacy and more (Q&A) | Microsoft - CNET News

Microsoft sure loves dodging questions and beating around the bush.

No need to be so abrasive, although I agree wholeheartedly. What should be taken away from here is that many Japanese Cos fail to understand western internet culture- they're not doing it for nickels and dimes. Japanese culture takes a dim view of a grub-money attitude in case you didn't know. Honour before wealth.

Dont blindly babble without getting your faacts right. EA never said there wont be any games they said there wont be games based on Frostbite 3 engine due to the technical difficulties.. there are other engines they use... The thing about frostbite still stands..

You are so blind to everything Nintendo does that you can accept their flaws.... you say its to make sure that their brand image , games marketing etc. is not hurt.. but why not just flag the videos or block the content like sega.. why are they still keeping the so called low quality videos in youtube.. if not to rake the money from the views...
If the company feels that the videos are such low quality to hurt their image why keep them up and running?!
I agree I am not as smart as you .. so can you explain why they are trying to make fools of people who have been and are supporting them from a long time and forcing them to close their channels?
I would love to see how you respond when Nintendo block your stuff related their product even when you are supporting them....
BTW Sega blocked the videos related to Shining force (and shining force only.. as they were developing a new shining force game), it didnt divert the money to their account.... And it has apologized since for the actions and has unblocked many of them....
I dont hate nintendo, but the fevour with which you rave about them seems childish like a 14 year old.... When you like a thing you should help in making it better and not keep covering its flaws; eventually people will stop valuing your veiws and the product you are supporting....and finally they will ignore them even theres something good in it...

Just because he was rude doesn't mean you also have to be rude. Nintendo does not want people to make money out of their channels if they're discussing nintendo's assets. Like he mentioned before, it wasn't for grub money, but because they don't understand how the western internet culture has shaped itself.

^^ Exactly. No need to argue with people like that. His own signature speaks for himself.

Now get ready for an in-depth analysis by anandtech.


The Xbox One: Hardware Analysis & Comparison to PlayStation 4

The casing is full aluminium and is sturdy according to anandtech. The design is honestly spot on to what microsoft has been targeting all along.
It will just fit beautifully alongside a large screen display.

I hope you realize that his signature also speaks for many of your previous posts. I don't think the new box will fit with a large screen display at all. I have a 55" TV (which, by all means is large) waiting to be installed at home, and the Xbox just looks like it will mar the appearance.

there is a 30% performance gap, and with the hypervisor and the gesture heavy ui xbot one is running, i dont think that you will get more than 30fps on 1080p... it just cant keep up with the ps4.

on the other hand the cooling solution seems pretty solid, so temps should be stable and thermal and power brick should be quite cool. The ps4 on the other hand with the 5.5ghz(equivalent) ram will be running quite hot, and i expect the power brick to be larger. Lets see the cooling solution sony has gone with.

Agreed, the Xbox is not good enough. But the OpenGL derivative vs Direct3D contest should be interesting. I'm not sure how being GDDR5 RAM necessarily makes it hotter than DDR3. Last I remember, the bulk of the heat in a video card was due to the GPU. Also, heat will be dependent on the manufacturing process of either type of RAM, not it's type. Obviously Sony would not sell a console with overclocked memory (that would be interesting, though). E3 will be ample opportunity for Sony to show how much ingenuity (or lack of it) it put in the PS4. The design, I'm hoping will be way better than the Xbox, which just looks like an AV receiver with built in CD player from the 90's housed in an Aluminium chassis.

not replying. Keeping this clean. Anyone who wishes to reply, please take this to the offtopic thread.

Agreed, any further commentary should go off-topic.

Xbox One won't allow indies to self-publish g - Video Game News, Videos and File Downloads for PC and Console Games at Shacknews.com

CVG Blog: Opinion: Only games can save Xbox One - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

Microsoft and Sony Diverge on Gaming ‘Cloud’ - Digits - WSJ

After an awful start, Xbox One must redeem itself at E3 | GamesIndustry International

The PA Report - The Kinect is mandatory, and can’t be turned off: Welcome your new motion sensing, Xbox One overlord

Is Microsoft Using XBox and Kinect To Spy On You? » BiG DaH's Kage

I'm hoping the Xbox fails. I don't want my video game console (or in this case, media entertainment device) to spy on me. That, apart from the DRM, lack of Indie support and the continuous vague responses by Microsoft is totally pissing me off. And it looks like this thread's posters are unanimous except for one dissenting voice, who I'm hoping will realize that he's mistaken.

Just report the post mate.

And get a valid, on-topic response deleted? Looks like I forget who I'm responding to (oh yeah, the quote doesn't mention his name, whoever he is).

 

[RCuber]

there is a simple way to go across the DRM of Xbox One. Your friend can't play with your disk you ask? just give him your account details and he can play.

 

[vickybat]

Kinect for Xbox One Also Coming to PC

This is real good news. PC gamers can rejoice now.

 

[Thunder]

How is Kinect good for PC? No one would like to sit infront of their screen and wave their arms like a turtle.

 

[RCuber]

^^ Kinect for PC means loads of development opportunities. its not necessary that it has to be used only for games.

 

[NoasArcAngel]

Agreed, the Xbox is not good enough. But the OpenGL derivative vs Direct3D contest should be interesting. I'm not sure how being GDDR5 RAM necessarily makes it hotter than DDR3. Last I remember, the bulk of the heat in a video card was due to the GPU. Also, heat will be dependent on the manufacturing process of either type of RAM, not it's type. Obviously Sony would not sell a console with overclocked memory (that would be interesting, though). E3 will be ample opportunity for Sony to show how much ingenuity (or lack of it) it put in the PS4. The design, I'm hoping will be way better than the Xbox, which just looks like an AV receiver with built in CD player from the 90's housed in an Aluminium chassis.

Actually, heat will be dependent on the ram type only. because of the ps4 approach of SoC the ram sticks and the apu will be soldered on the board directly. The processor of the apu is the jaguar which is an 8 core SoC having increased performance over bobcat cpu, overclocked to 1.6GHz and the Gpu is a custom radeon solution. Sony will be using 512mb x 16 ram chips for 8GB GDDR5 ( most probably be ~75nm so its pretty high compared to the core which will be 28 or 40 nm). Since these ram chips will be running at a pretty high clock speed of equivalent of 5.5Ghz, these will be heating up the most.

If you have noticed, the gddr5 ram in the ps4 will be equivalent to a high end gpu like a 7970, and in those cards the heatsink covers all of the gpu board specially the ram. If the ram isnt cooled properly, its the ram which will get burnt and not the core of the gpu.

mean while, kaz hira is growing 1 extra finger and yet reducing 2 fingers

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they screwed up the xbox one reveal because this must have been giving them nightmares.

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can i haz memes please ?


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Peter parker : getting the xbox one

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[heidi2521]

Unlike PlayStation 4, prospects for indie games on Xbox One are murky | The Verge

Xbox One Raises the Burden of Privacy Safeguards: 5 Questions for Microsoft | TIME.com


Game Developers React to Microsoft's Xbox One Reveal : G For Geek : Gamenguide

*i.imgur.com/6Xi0c69l.png


Live TV on the Xbox One: Microsoft learns nothing from Google TV's mistakes | The Verge

The Escapist : Video Galleries : Jimquisition : Xbox One out of Ten

“@Polygon: Indie developers cannot self-publish on Xbox One *sbn.to/YZERGv ” Booo! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! BoooOOOoooOooooo! Boo!

*twitter.com/TimOfLegend/status/337333503039508480

@people considering the Xbone really advanced: What do you think of this?



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[vickybat]

Crytek’s Ryse is exclusive To Xbox One

I think this is reserved for E3 as a live demo. Microsoft sure wasn't bluffing about those 15 exclusives. This is surely one of them and it looks pretty classy to me.
Cryengine 3 is going to shine in next gen consoles.

*news.cheatcc.com/articles/390952#.UZ3DlrVTB4o

 

[cyborg47]

Crytek’s Ryse is exclusive To Xbox One

I think this is reserved for E3 as a live demo. Microsoft sure wasn't bluffing about those 15 exclusives. This is surely one of them and it looks pretty classy to me.
Cryengine 3 s going to shine in next gen consoles.

Crytek

Ohhh this game is going to piss off a lot of people, not during the reveal, but after the release

 

[NoasArcAngel]

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Crytek’s Ryse is exclusive To Xbox One

I think this is reserved for E3 as a live demo. Microsoft sure wasn't bluffing about those 15 exclusives. This is surely one of them and it looks pretty classy to me.
Cryengine 3 is going to shine in next gen consoles.

*news.cheatcc.com/articles/390952#.UZ3DlrVTB4o

is it just me ? or the roman numerals are a really stupid idea?

 

[vickybat]

Here's a small comparison in a nutshell:

Full Comparison: PS4 vs Xbox One

The playstation 4 eye camera seems kind of equally good as kinect. It isn't forced on the user though and is an optional purchase.
The next gen, its going to be an exclusive content battle because most multiplats are going to look similar in either platforms. That's because the lowest denominator is considered to as standard across all platforms. Pc will also get most console only multiplats this time around.

is it just me ? or the roman numerals are a really stupid idea?

Yeah it kinda confused me too at first.

But the countdown leads to june 10th i.e E3.

 

[NoasArcAngel]

Crytek’s Ryse is exclusive To Xbox One

I think this is reserved for E3 as a live demo. Microsoft sure wasn't bluffing about those 15 exclusives. This is surely one of them and it looks pretty classy to me.
Cryengine 3 is going to shine in next gen consoles.

Crytek

*www.abload.de/img/0426_gjrtd.gif

 

[vickybat]

The ‘Console War’ is so last decade: How everyone wins with Xbox One and PlayStation 4

Hmmm i wonder why somebody is deliberately left out here! Oh heck who cares anyway . The real next-gen consoles is all that matters.

 

[NoasArcAngel]

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/attachments/consoles/10677d1369296628-next-gen-console-discussion-ps4-n-xbox-onen-wii-u-xb1.jpg


exclusive in game footage from call of duty : ghosts

This is so real ! HOLY ****. THE TEXTURE COUNT IS THROUGH THE ROOF


*www.gamespot.com/23-5-2013/xbox-one/call-of-duty-ghosts-special-preview/live-in-game-footage.jpeg

Spoiler

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