NEED A CONFIGURATION FOR GAMING PC UNDER Rs 70k

Should I go For AMD Phenom II x6 or Core i7 930 ??


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vickybat

I am the night...I am...
The phenom 2 on a decent hsf can overclock in air @ 4.1ghz.The i7 can also go upto that mark and will post better results than the x6.

Only the x6 has strong showing in 3d content creation suites like Cinebench & video encoding apps but only by a bit.An o'ced i7 will bridge the gap even further.
 

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
Any OC for CPU, safer to get a good OEM HSF. More vCore is going to be poured in, and with ambient temperatures relatively higher in India compared to North America, stock HSF are not good.
 

pulsar_swift

Youngling
Exactly, processor manufacturers should provide HSFs based on the ambient temps for that country. Or Else they should stop giving HSF and sell the proccy at a lower price. We can always purchase aftermarket HSFs
 
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cyberdude.samar

Broken In
Final Rig Is Yet Not ready.

I had To Buy The PC around 20th of May.

But Maybe I'll wait for June Issue.

I've mailed agent 001.

Lets see wat he Suggests.


Till Now I've Decicded This Rig But Maybe I'll Consider Some Replacements -

Proccy : Core i7 930 2.8GHz - Rs 14,500
Mobo : MSI X-58 Pro-E - Rs 10,500
RAM : G-skill Ripjaws 1600MHz 6gb kit (tri channel) - Rs 9,700
HDD :WD black 1TB - Rs 5,600
Optical Drive : LG H55N - Rs 1,100
Graphics Card : Sapphire HD5850 1GB DDR5 - Rs 15,800
PSU : Cooler Master GX750 - Rs 6,500
Cabby : Coller Master 690 (with side panel) - Rs 4,400
Monitor : BenQ 24" G2420 LCD - Rs 11,300
Mouse : Razer Abyssus 3500 Dpi - Rs 1,550
Mouse Pad : StL Series QcK Mass - Rs 750
HeadPhones :StL Series 3H Headphones - Rs 1,800

But This Is Costing Me 80k +.

So I am Ready For More Sugegstions.

Some1 PLease Suggest me a Gr8 AMD RIG [Complete wiD GooD Mobo].. . . . ..
 

pulsar_swift

Youngling
for AMD rig, replace the proccy with 1090T and any 785board @ 5.5K. and 4GB Ram would be sufficient.
so you can save 5K on mobo and 3K on RAM as we are using 4GB only.
 
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cyberdude.samar

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One More Thing...

I'll Not Be Overcocking My proccy untill 1yr.

So now tell Me which one is better (without OC) -

Intel Core i7 930

or

AMD phenom II x6
 
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cyberdude.samar

Broken In
My Main NEED in The PC is GAMING So will the AMD x6 sufficise without overclocking?

---------- Post added at 04:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:20 PM ----------

SMC website Shows MSI X58 Pro-E does not support 1600Mhz RAM .. .. .. Is That True ??
 

pulsar_swift

Youngling
Core i7 and i5 continue to excel at games. Not sure about the ram support for the mobo you are referring to. Check MSI site for specifications
 
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cyberdude.samar

Broken In
Got this from MSI Web-Site :

Memory - DDR3 Memory DDR3 800/1066/1333/1600*/1800*/2133*(OC)

Does This Mean DDR3 1600Mhz WIll Run on OCed Mobo ??

---------- Post added at 04:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:37 PM ----------

Can Anyone Give Me pRices For MSI 890GXM-G65 Mobo and MSI 890FXA-GD70 Mobo (both for AMD).

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If i get any of these board @ decent Price . . . . I'll certainly be going for AMD phenoM II X6 . :D
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
its really hard to believe! :eek:

Well, I am using a Zebronics Reaper cabinet and my config is not very low. I have Phenom II 955, Oced at 3.6 GHz, 4 GB of DDR3 ram, 1 TB Seagate + 500 GB Seagate, ATI 5770 1 GB etc. For normal applications its temp never goes over 45 degree, even when I am doing lots of CPU intensive work like Video encoding and editing, Photoshop etc.
At gaming 52 degree is the max temp I have reached.And I am in Bhubaneswar which is actually very hot place and the avg temp is almost 40 degree now.
So you believe or don't believe, it is true. Believe be making a cabinet is not same as making a processor. I know lot of forum members who use Zebronics Bijli with high end systems. No problem with them also.
And do you know any one who has problem with a premium non-foreign brand?
 
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cyberdude.samar

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I am Finding the CM GX750 [Rs 6,500] bit expenisive and want to know that my New Config can Be Run Wid The GX650 [Rs 5,500]

Latest Config -

Proccy: AMD Phenom II X6 1090t 3.2Ghz [Rs 14,500]
Mobo: MSI 890GXM-G65 [Rs 7,350]
GPU: MSI HD5870 [Rs 22,300]
RAM: G-Skill Ripjaws 4GB kit (2x2GB) 1600Mhz [Rs 6,850]
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB [Rs 5,000]
Monitor: BenQ 24" G2420 Full HD LCD [Rs 11,300]

Cabby: Still Confused b/w CM 690 or CM690 II - Pls Help

PSU : CM GX650 or GX750 or Silent Pro 700M or Silent Pro 600M - Pls Help

I Dont Have Much Money After All This So A PSU Wid Price More Than 7k Will Be A No From Me.

SMC Website Says @ Silent Pro 600M -

Output Capacity
600W Max. Output Capacity720W
And Normal Efficiency Of The 80+ PSUs Are 85% . So Will This PSU(normally) give POWER = 85% of 600 or 85% of 720 ?

Also Is The RAM I Have Finalled Compatible As A 8GB set-up (4x2GB)


P.S. - CM SilentPro 700M [Rs 7,900] - SMC Price
CM SilentPro 600M [Rs 6,750] - SMC Price
 

Sid_gamer

Team Digit
^^
Why are you jumping from one config to another ??, just think for some time and read some reviews then i'm sure your doubts will be clear....
I would suggest u a core i7 based rig....I am using it and i'm very satisfied with it.....
 
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coderunknown

Retired Forum Mod
when you taking the 930 as OCed then you have to take the 1090T also as OCed, even then the 1090T will beat the 930 in multi threaded tasks with more margin as the 1090T OCs better than the 930!

intel got 1 advantage here over AMD. AMD's new turbo sucks. & sucks bad. rest everything good. even temperature is low. motherboard price is low. OC potential enough to give i7 a good run (even on stock HSF).

where did you get the 13.5K price for the 1090T & 930?

i think Lynx India listing similar price. however without tax & shipping charges.

7K is way more than needed here also i think he is not going for a sound card!

when a Corsair 550W or CM 650W does the job, why go for 800-1000W PSU & empty pocket unnecessarily. they'll be useful only in multi GPU setup. cause OC (if increasing voltage) won't demand lot.

470 & 480 isn't worth getting right now unless you have loads of money......wait for the 2nd gen fermi cards!

480 i agree. but 470 !!! i read 470 beats all single GPU setup from AMD. so better get 470 is OP can. however with a non reference cooler, else theres full chance his card will turn black soon.

those builds are used for testing & they use the most high end config for testing, other than that you don't necessary need a 750W SMPS, 650W should suffix for 930+5850!

corsair VX550 minimum. it'll easily handle the card + proccy + a ton of HDDs. however not a 2nd card in crossfire.

@ mavihs

Can you justify that statement of yours with some proof ? As far i have read an o'ced i7 930 beats the heck out s similarly o'ced1090T X6.

in single threaded apps, yes i7 930 got upper hand. as i mentioned, AMD's turbo still new & not very efficient. however if they do lower pricing of X6 to 12.5k or so, they'll get the upper hand back.

i'm not saying a similarly OCed 1090T, i'm saying a more OCed 1090T! (AMD proccy have a better OCing capability!)

i disagree. intel OC potential have always been more than AMD. however intel's heatsinks sucks. so need OEM HSF for OC. however AMD's proccy runs cooler (the X6 do) and heatsinks are better than Intel's counterpart.

One More Thing...

I'll Not Be Overcocking My proccy untill 1yr.

So now tell Me which one is better (without OC) -

Intel Core i7 930

or

AMD phenom II x6

in gaming i7 is better than X6. but if u go i7, u'll have to compromise on other parts. so try mix a balance i7 rig without breaking bank (will be hard) or settle for X6 (gaming performance won't be too good, compared to i7).

My Main NEED in The PC is GAMING So will the AMD x6 sufficise without overclocking?

it got turbo. so u'll get 3 cores at 3.5Ghz & 3 at 800Mhz. however it doesn't always kicks in good. so performance is variable.

SMC website Shows MSI X58 Pro-E does not support 1600Mhz RAM .. .. .. Is That True ??

if u OC, it should. however lot depends on rams. asigh can give u better idea on this.

Core i7 and i5 continue to excel at games. Not sure about the ram support for the mobo you are referring to. Check MSI site for specifications

yes, in games i5 & i7 are untouchable. however they raise the total cost similarly.

I am Finding the CM GX750 [Rs 6,500] bit expenisive and want to know that my New Config can Be Run Wid The GX650 [Rs 5,500]

if u go AMD or intel doesn't matter. but PSU should be minimum 550W from Corsair or 650W if preference goes to GX series.
 

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
Some clarifications on hardware:

Memory - DDR3 Memory DDR3 800/1066/1333/1600*/1800*/2133*(OC)
Does This Mean DDR3 1600Mhz WIll Run on OCed Mobo ??

You would need to tell the exact memory model number with brand. For example Corsair TWIN2X4096-8500C5. We can then check the EPP/JEDEC setting for the RAM. Those timing above mean that the board will support the above ram speeds, but YES, it MIGHT need to be OC'ed, for FSB : DRAM ratios. But will support.

I am Finding the CM GX750 [Rs 6,500] bit expenisive and want to know that my New Config can Be Run Wid The GX650 [Rs 5,500]

Latest Config -

Proccy: AMD Phenom II X6 1090t 3.2Ghz [Rs 14,500]
Mobo: MSI 890GXM-G65 [Rs 7,350]
GPU: MSI HD5870 [Rs 22,300]
RAM: G-Skill Ripjaws 4GB kit (2x2GB) 1600Mhz [Rs 6,850]
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB [Rs 5,000]
Monitor: BenQ 24" G2420 Full HD LCD [Rs 11,300]

Cabby: Still Confused b/w CM 690 or CM690 II - Pls Help

PSU : CM GX650 or GX750 or Silent Pro 700M or Silent Pro 600M - Pls Help

I Dont Have Much Money After All This So A PSU Wid Price More Than 7k Will Be A No From Me.

SMC Website Says @ Silent Pro 600M -

Output Capacity
600W Max. Output Capacity720W
And Normal Efficiency Of The 80+ PSUs Are 85% . So Will This PSU(normally) give POWER = 85% of 600 or 85% of 720 ?

Also Is The RAM I Have Finalled Compatible As A 8GB set-up (4x2GB)


P.S. - CM SilentPro 700M [Rs 7,900] - SMC Price
CM SilentPro 600M [Rs 6,750] - SMC Price

CM SilentPRO is decent. Though ask SMC the price for Corsair VS550 unit. It is rock solid.

Efficiency:

Okay guys, for the record. Many guys have a misconception about efficiency here. It is not efficiency multiplied to the rating -- to get the throughput.

This does not work:
PSU rating = 750W
Efficiency rating = 80%
PSU Draw = 750W
PSU Throughput = 750 x (80/100) = 600W

This works:
PSU rating = 750W (A)
Efficiency rating = 80%
PSU Draw = 750 / (80/100) = 937.5 (B)
PSU Throughput = 750W

Calculated Efficiency = (A/B) * 100 = 80%

The efficiency clearly translates too, how much power is drawn from the socket (which you are billed for), to the ratio of how much clean usable power it can provide as output.

Efficiency Level Certifications:
These are industry standards which say, how much constant, spike free power a PSU will supply at three different load levels. For example: To qualify for 80 PLUS, a power supply must achieve at least 80% efficiency at three specified loads (20%, 50% and 100% of maximum rated power) To get this certification it must pass all tests at 50C, as the temperature metric.

The current ratings are:
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And some had asked about rails (somewhere):

"With all the hype about multiple 12-volt rails (ads claim that two rails is better than one, five is better than four, etc.), you'd think it was a better design. Unfortunately, it's not!

Here are the facts: A large, single 12-volt rail (without a 240VA limit) can transfer 100% of the 12-volt output from the PSU to the computer, while a multi-rail 12-volt design has distribution losses of up to 30% of the power supply's rating. Those losses occur because power literally gets "trapped" on under-utilized rails. For example, if the 12-volt rail that powers the CPU is rated for 17 amps and the CPU only uses 7A, the remaining 10A is unusable, since it is isolated from the rest of the system.

Since the maximum current from any one 12-volt rail of a multiple-rail PSU is limited to 20 amps (240VA / 12 volts = 20 amps), PCs with high-performance components that draw over 20 amps from the same rail are subject to over-current shutdowns. With power requirements for multiple processors and graphics cards continuing to grow, the multiple-rail design, with its 240VA limit per rail, is basically obsolete.

PC Power and Cooling is once again leading the industry. All of our power supplies now feature a large, single 12-volt rail. The design is favored by major processor and graphics companies, complies with EPS12V specs (the 240VA limit is not a requirement) and is approved by all major safety agencies such as UL and TUV.3"

Also these can be read here and here and here.

Overall I can say, reading the above links..even multi rail is better, as long as one calculates the PSU requirement well...!

The Corsair HX450 and VX450 both offer 33A on the 12V rails.

Hope this makes sense.
 

Piyush

Lanaya
@asingh
very informative big bro
though some doubts here

1->In ur efficiency calculating section,is the "B" power is the one that is provided by the PSU to the required components?

2->u mentioned that even multi rail is better....HOW?

and last one...
Can u xplain a lil more regarding the table
 
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