Legality of Mac OS X TOS

[praka123]

@kumvrmohit:april crisis?well,those who felt getting power is all, reaped what they need!boycotted and still digit forum is strong


Why Apple fans hate tech reporters
The Wrath of the Apple Tribe

"If you've ever written about Apple products with even a hint of negativity, you'll appreciate Salon's excerpt from Farhad Manjoo's True Enough, about why the Apple tribe is so rabid. 'There are many tribes in the tech world: TiVo lovers, Blackberry addicts, Palm Treo fanatics, and people who exhibit unhealthy affection for their Roomba robotic vacuum cleaners,' writes Manjoo. 'But there is no bigger tribe, and none more zealous, than fans of Apple, who are infamous for their sensitivity to slams, real or imagined, against the beloved company.' Wall Street Journal columnist Walt Mossberg has even coined a name for the phenomenon — the 'Doctrine of Insufficient Adulation.' 'If I see the world as all black and you see the world as all white and some person comes along and says it's partially black and partially white, we both are going to be unhappy,' says psychologist Lee Ross at Stanford University. 'You think there are more facts and better facts on your side than on the other side. The very act of giving them equal weight seems like bias. Like inappropriate evenhandedness.'"

*apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/23/0151225

much familiar to me

 

[iMav]

Fanboyism is on the rise in the forum, and this is from all the three camps, Windows, Linux and Apple as well.

i dont think its on a rise rather its on a decline as compared to what it was when the iphone was abt to be launched or when vista was released

and yeah what was the april crisis

 

[Faun]

yeah wat was the april crisis ?

I dont come arnd fan boy wars here too often. Let the peace prevail.

 

[kumarmohit]

April crisis took place in April 2006. It was actually mass resignation of mods and a member admin of the forum. A number of great members left for good until the people at Digit responded and tried to sort things out At that time the forum was running on a rather vulnerable and old version of phpBB. At Around April 2006, the form came under repeated attacks by bots, advertising bots of all kinds. Digit people were being generally sleepy and the mods were crying hoarse that forum needed some major overhauling.

I do not know wat was the last straw on camel's back but on April 15(If i recall correctly), the mods and member admin resigned en masse. While some chains were rattled and the forum moved to V Bulletin, some of the members left for good. And good members at that!

 

[narangz]

well what exactly it was? you 've got many people interested in that.

thanks for the info... yea i remember php based digit

 

[ring_wraith]

April crisis took place in April 2006. It was actually mass resignation of mods and a member admin of the forum. At that time the forum was running on a rather vulnerable and old version of phpBB. At Around April 2006, the form came under repeated attacks by bots, advertising bots of all kinds. Digit people were being generally sleepy and the mods were crying hoarse that forum needed some major overhauling.

I do not know wat was the last straw on camel's back but on April 15(If i recall correctly), the mods and member admin resigned en masse. While some chains were rattled and the forum moved to V Bulletin, some of the members left for good. And good members at that!

I was just wondering when the first full-scale online rebellion would take place around these parts.

 

[gxsaurav]

even if you are unfortunate enough to be gx_saurav or iMav

Trust me arya, if u dare to drag our name in this discussion again calling us indirectly idiots cos we don't like Mac OS X, then it will take me 10 mins only to pwn u & your mac philosophy right now.

Don't get me started on "Apple will loose stability if they support generic hardware" crap, u know nothing about the drivers & OS architecture of Mach kernel there

 

[mediator]

April crisis took place in April 2006. It was actually mass resignation of mods and a member admin of the forum. At that time the forum was running on a rather vulnerable and old version of phpBB. At Around April 2006, the form came under repeated attacks by bots, advertising bots of all kinds. Digit people were being generally sleepy and the mods were crying hoarse that forum needed some major overhauling.

I do not know wat was the last straw on camel's back but on April 15(If i recall correctly), the mods and member admin resigned en masse. While some chains were rattled and the forum moved to V Bulletin, some of the members left for good. And good members at that!

Everything requires a source here!

 

[kumarmohit]

I searched for this thread but was unable to find it
many thanks man!
I hope this clears many doubts!

 

[FilledVoid]

Trust me arya, if u dare to drag our name in this discussion again calling us indirectly idiots cos we don't like Mac OS X, then it will take me 10 mins only to pwn u & your mac philosophy right now.

Don't get me started on "Apple will loose stability if they support generic hardware" crap, u know nothing about the drivers & OS architecture of Mach kernel there

If it makes you feel better none of the Apple consumers didn't even seem to
understand the SLA or at least this discussion would have ended pages ago.

The MRTP doesn't apply to this case not because Apple choose to bundle its software and hardware together.

Prevents, distorts or restricts competition in any manner; or

Obstructs the flow of capital or resources into the stream of production; or

Which tends to bring about manipulation of prices or conditions of delivery or effected the flow of supplies in the market of any goods or services, imposing on the consumers unjustified cost or restrictions.

The above is what constitutes a "Restrictive Trade Practice" . Apple as a whole has not restricted anyones trading ability or has gained an unfair advantage over its fellow competitors. The rest of whatever Apple does to keep you happy doesn't even contribute squat or have any kind of relevance to this thread or law.

(I never felt like reading the long posts of some folks but after reading it today . Jeez I just couldn't refrain from posting. )

 

[sakumar79]

^^^ Actually, IMHO, Mac range of products are quite a bit costlier than other products - the justification being the amount of research that goes into it, the quality of hardware, etc... But, if you look at the post above, the third definition of a "Restrictive Trade Practice" indicates the imposing on the consumers unjustified cost or restrictions... Now, I dont know if I am interpreting it right, but if you can theoretically install Mac OS X on a sub15-k machine (add the cost of the OS to it for 2k), and the cheapest Mac you can get is at 33k (the MacMini), then are we not talking about unjustified cost or restriction?

Arun

 

[FilledVoid]

I dont know if I am interpreting it right, but if you can theoretically install Mac OS X on a sub15-k machine (add the cost of the OS to it for 2k), and the cheapest Mac you can get is at 33k (the MacMini), then are we not talking about unjustified cost or restriction?

Apples prices do not lead to
Manipulation of prices or Conditions of delivery
Neither does it Effect the flow of supplies in the market of any goods or services .

Just cause BMW's are expensive and I would kill for one doesn't mean that they are following Restrictive trade practices by charging a premium price for the product. This is how I understand it, I may be wrong though .

 

[sakumar79]

I am not saying that the fact that they are charging a premium price for the Mac is the problem... I am saying that tying the Mac OS to the Mac and then selling the Mac at a premium price is the problem...

Arun

 

[ring_wraith]

They can sell it at whatever price they consider okay. It's just the "tying" that's the issue.

But I was just thinking, if OSX is considered a part of a Mac, and not just an OS, then the Restriction thing does not hold.

You cannot walk into a Maruti showroom and ask for the engine of a Zen. That's because its part of the car. In the same way, OSX is a part of Mac.

 

[sakumar79]

The OS cannot be tied to the computer... When Windows and Linux are not tying the OS to the computer, Mac cannot make the claim that the OS is a part of Mac... Tying the OS to the hardware is not like tying the car engine to a car - it is more like tying a petrol/diesel brand to a car brand...

Arun

 

[ring_wraith]

Then by your claim, all phones, PDAs, MP3 players and in fact every gadget must come without an OS, or in other words must be just a piece of hardware without any function.

An OS is the integral part of anything, and therefore can be considered as an essential part. It's just that MS and Linux come without hardware, an alternate OS, if you will. Almost like allowing people to choose their engine in a car.

 

[iMav]

Apples prices do not lead to
Manipulation of prices or Conditions of delivery
Neither does it Effect the flow of supplies in the market of any goods or services .

Just cause BMW's are expensive and I would kill for one doesn't mean that they are following Restrictive trade practices by charging a premium price for the product. This is how I understand it, I may be wrong though .

dude wtf! bundling ie with windows is a restrictive trade practice, bundling wmp with windows is a restrictive trade practice but bundling an entire freaking OS with a specific machine only is not restrictive

@ring wraith: coming bundled with something is not the problem but restricting to be used only on that particular thing is theres a fundamental difference in them

 

[sakumar79]

I have no idea about whether or not it is possible to change the OS of other gadgets, so I cannot comment on that... But we are currently talking about computers, not generic gadgets... You see people in everyday life installing OS on computers, you dont see that with other gadgets...

Think about it this way... If the Mac OS is released for general use, and it is reasonably stable, it will give the public an alternative to Windows (which at times can be terribly bug-ridden) and Linux (which at times can be terribly geeky)... And if it has a bit of a success, it may make Microsoft do two things - reduce Windows prices, and seriously work on its next OS... Both of which are beneficial to the end user...

Personally, I feel Apple could release a OS X version for PCs, perhaps with a label that says something like "Works best on a Mac"...

Arun

 

[ring_wraith]

^^ That would be great. But the fact is that a major part of the Apple experience is that the Software and Hardware are very closely related, which leads to the added stability that OS X is famous for.

Throw it out in the open, and there's nothing keeping hackers from tearing it to bits. Just another Windows.

 

[sakumar79]

Throw it out in the open, and there's nothing keeping hackers from tearing it to bits. Just another Windows.

Dude, do you know what you are saying? What will aryayush say if he sees your comment...

Coming back to your statement about the OSes of other gadgets, please confirm if the cell phone manufacturers (except maybe Apple again) have a EULA that restricts the user from changing the OS on the gadget... Similarly, confirm if the cell phone OS EULA have restrictions that they may not be used in phones other than specified ones... Only if this is the case will your analogy be actually valid...

Arun