@whitestar - Force is an integral part of dharma. Dharma is neither good or bad for these qualities are subjective in nature. The whole Mahabharat was a dharmic war, where force was used. But had everyone understood the ideals of dharma, perhaps war might never have happened! Dharma is just a term which beholds a profound vastness. For Karna, his dharma was limited to friendship, for Bhishma to his oath to protect Hastinapur. But from a higher level, they still sided with adharma. If your friend commits a crime, then no matter how great you are, if you still protect him or hide him, then you are simply siding with adharma. This does not in anyway mean wise men do not falter. Obviously they do! So you need to understand in what context I'm talking about dharma.
@Raaabo - I'm sure they'll laugh on my face. I'm rather afraid of those who never had science as their subject or pursued science actively but worship science blindly, chant science like some fashion and quote scientists just to make themselves look cool and scientific. But, a scientific mind who can dive into the depths of unknown transcending beyond of what he already knows, apathetic to the approval of others and unmoved by their herd mentality, is best suited to the study of consciousness.
The reality you propound is very much real. But do you think its a permanent fix? Even if a military rule is implemented what is the guarantee that the very seed which leads to what you call as "utter chaos and lawlessness of today" will also be eliminated? I gave the example of sharia for a reason. Much of the Islamic world is ruled by sharia, but still there is chaos where Shia is fighting Sunni Vs Ahmadi i.e fight amongst the various sects in Islam, random bomb explosion (for what?), rape of Burqa clad girls, high rate of depression and frustration etc. Perhaps, we are percieving from one angle i.e military rule and not various other external factors and most importantly the 'cause' of all that chaos!
O Arjuna the senses are so turbulent they can forcibly lead astray the mind of even a vigilant person of sound judgement. Keeping under control all the senses, the self controlled should meditate on Me (Supreme Consciousness); since for one whose senses have been brought under control is established in perfect knowledge. While concentrating on objects of the senses a person developes attachment to the sense objects; from attachment desires are born, from desire anger arises. From anger delusion occurs, from delusion bewilderment of memory, after forgetfulness of memory the loss of spiritual intelligence and losing spiritual intelligence one perishes. (Bg 2.60-63)
I know people will laugh, but only if it is said or taught in an incompatible way without measuring their level of understanding and patience. This forum is like turing test where I cannot really measure the level of understanding, patience and interest of the other person and hence the way in which I write may not appeal to everyone. But obviously, I can optimize my style if I know the person verbally as well.
The above quote wasn't a quantum physics. Was it? And thats the beauty of the Indian science that it has been provided in different formats which can appeal to wide variety of frameworks. Those who can understand as story, for them Purans are suited. Those who can understand it more directly, Upanishads are there. Those who want to take it higher and have a visualization as well of this adventurous journey, Veda is there. But Veda is much vast than the Upanishads or Purans. Those who like a oneness of the reality, advaita is there. Those who can understand through duality, dvaita is there. Those who want logic, nyaya and Vaisheshika and those who understand the language of perfection, Yoga is there. The path of all are same, even though they may seem contradictory from lower frameworks! A child has a fertile mind which if not harvested well starts becoming concrete with filters of ego and memory loss as one ages. And hence, every child must be taught this science which had been a pillar of the Indian tradition in the past and till today in many places.
@Asingh - You have got it all upside down. It is not because of Veda that a person will become wise. Veda is just a tool for those whose 'Agni' is not high enough and hence can utilize it, just like in the company of wise, even a foolish can change and improve!
Better is one's own law of works, swadharma, though in itself faulty than an alien law well wrought out; death in one's own law of being is better, perilous is it to follow an alien law ( BG 3.35)
This Self is not won by exegesis, nor by brain-power, nor by much learning of Scripture. Only by him whom It chooses can It be won; to him this Self unveils its own body. (manduka Upanishad 3.2.3, Page 145)
When thy intelligence shall cross beyond the whirl of delusion, then shalt thou become indifferent to Scripture heard or that which thou hast yet to hear. When thy intelligence which is bewildered by the Sruti, shall stand unmoving and stable in Samadhi, then shalt thou attain to Yoga. (BG 2.52-53)
Veda exist only because of science of consciousness and not vice versa, which in turn enables a foundation for lower material sciences. Do you really think that the knowledge of whole world, number of species, the infinite play of shakti and her dynamism etc can be recorded in 4 books? It is a flow (Ganga) which automatically passes when one reaches the highest stages of meditation or consciousness (Shiva) and hence he becomes a hearer of the heard (shruti), transcending beyond time and space. Hence, it is said that only Shiva is powerful enough to accomodate the flow of Ganga to let it flow in a way which would not destroy but rejuvenate the earth (where man is freed from the essence of karta/doer or karma/actions). Yes, high level of intuition is a siddhi achieved at such a stage which enables a person to have access to direct knowledge. Just like you cannot lift a 100 kg on chest at first visit to gym, similarly a man cannot achieve this science by default. If you lift heavy weight by jerks, it can destroy you. Similarly, many people are indeed intuitive where their mind is not strongly developed to accomodate that intuition and often gets distorted by chaos of the conditioned and uncontrolled mind and hence attachment to such intuition can make them look like mad!
Thus Veda is indeed written by humans but not a human level rather at a non-human or super-human level of awareness. This nullifies the lowly argument whether it is written by human or a "God". Therefore, it is not necessary for one to know sanskrit or Veda. The path of karma-Yoga (perfection in actions), bhakti-yog (perfection in devotion and surrender of ego) and gyaan-yog (perfection of knowledge) seem different but lead to the same destiny!
Words are themselves a limitation and so is the mind. But, IMO, Sanskrit is the perfect language which can incorporate this science in closest way as possible.
Here is the text of Zend Avesta => *www.persiandna.com/litav_atash_niya.htm
Hymns to Agni which draws close parallels to that in Veda. If you have even a little bit knowledge of sanskrit, you'd find same sanskrit words in the Avestan language as well where putra is modified to puthra, pancha (five) is used as it is, mitra -> mithra and words from sanskrit grammar. The only difference remains that deva and asura have been reversed here.
Anyways, You may read a few -> Predictions of Sri Aurobindo | Integral Yoga of Sri Aurobindo & The Mother
The above science is not registered or approved by "modern material science", obviously how can that which resides in time and space know that which is beyond time and space? Like @Raaabo said, you are free to laugh at it!
