So back to quote-by-quote
@Rhitwick - There is a reason, why almost entire developed community/countries, business and people want Modi and admire Modi. You ask what about 15 years of Modi, I say he created a diamond out of some coal which was earlier mostly ruled by Congress. Same situation in MP, where Gujarat has become an exporter of food, energy and good jobs, people enjoying a flourishing river which was given in an almost dead state to him.
Let me tell you one thing Modi is to Gujrat what Chandrababu Naidu was to Andhra. Only urban development. No rural development. Benefits to businessmen only.
Its not about Sonia's "debits and credits" only, but why exactly Sonia went to US and Swiss during Anna's and Ramdev's anshan, what did she do
I don't see the point here. Why do you want to know so badly what she did there?
If Sonia's travel to US and Sweden is so crucial to you, why not file a RTI?
why doesn't she discloses her IT returns?
RTI.
Even Obama doesn't enjoy such a freedom in the name of freedom and democracy.
Meaningless point. One side you do not want USA's approval for Modi's superiority on the other hand you compare Sonia to Obama. No fair.
We really do not know anything about her, her Amul Baby, her daughter, her Damaad, their education status, verification of it, do they still have Italian citizenship. Do you know why she had to quit her earlier PM post?
So, ask. Get your queries addressed.
If you want an autobiography of Sonia along with her children, I'm not sure they are writing one yet.
Apart from the mockery. I again don't see the point of these question here. Could you please explain what all aspects you want to be enlightened about Sonia and her children and relatives.
And, do you think you have rights to know that. Do you think any of your question might invade their privacy?
Don't you think its a high time we should stop conniving with the "chalta hai attitude" and an excuse "If they did, so let others do it as well"?
Not "Chalta Hai" but an example that everyone used CBI when in power. BJP did nothing different when it was in power. So, the point you raised 'Congress controlling CBI' is invalid and you just can't claim it would be resolved if BJP comes to power again, irrespective of the person in PM's chair.
Talking about farmer's suicides - Has it reduced or grown? If grown by how much? Why farmer committed suicides? Showing simple statistics does not mean much. For that matter here are the statistics for Maharasthra and Andhra, the leader in farmer suicides.
Farm suicide trends in 2012 remain dismal - The Hindu
Do note the year, which governments were in power. Whether they were elected newly or stayed for some years when this was reported.
Again, not debating if less or more. It was mentioned just to prove everything isn't that good in Gujraat too. Gujraat is as suffered by issues as any other state in the country.
Please list the scams where Modi is in power.
No info on that. May be you are right.
Perhaps you can list scams with BJP then and I will list you the scams when SOnia is the head of Party, MMS is the PM and Amul Baby the VP/General secretary.
Lesser evil? So be it! Lets analyze.
"Lesser evil"...I'm right, am I not?
Modi is just CM of a certain state. When in power he would be controlled by BJP governing body.
I still remember in times of Bajpayee, Bajpayee to had to apologize for criticizing BJP. Similar thing would happen with Modi. Mark my word today.
You hate Modi perhaps because of his arrogance and I hate MMS for his cowardice, silence and lack of understanding of grass root level and reality. MMS, Monetk and Chidambaram... who really still believes that an "oxford certificate" can save India? Rather, I like Modi because of his arrogance, provocations towards Congress something we see in use against China, Pakistan etc as well. A leader needs to tough and take decisive actions unlike a Maun-vrati PM who needs to consult the Italians on every matter. What do Congress do, (Salman Khurshid) -> "I would love to live in Beijing". Instead of developing your own country, you eat it like a termite and insult it abroad? Yes Modi doesn't need a Visa, nor he ever applied for one like media keeps on glorifying it like a certificate. But he will create Visas for Americans and thats the attitude we need.
In this bolded part, I guess you posted just as a figure-of-speech but really…Americans really need VISAs to enter India.
Thinking of which, I guess, Amul Baby is stil is wanted in US when he was caught red handed at boston airport with unexplained cash and daughter of druglord!
And, no ‘wanted in India’ netas in BJP?
Again, not a competition on owns most of such netas rather just to point out none is as pure as they claim to be.
Yes, 26/11 happened, Intelligence warnings were given, but ignored. Which govt/party was in centre and state? Similarly Uttarakhand floods happened repeated warnings were given to the Congress govt. Why did not the take appropriate measures? Amar Jawan in Mumbai was destroyed and hundreds of "secular" people according to the definition of Congress, cam with weapons and went away. No charges, no imprisonments!
Kargil happened at whose leadership?
Kandahar flight abduction?
Again, no competition just to point out none is spared of failure.
Till date I’m not convinced if BJP with Modi as PM is a proper alternative to Congress in power.
Regarding Gujarat riots, who started the riots? Why congress ignored the role of its own cadres? => Cong silent on cadres linked to Guj riots - Times Of India
So I compared to Godhra, listed Congress's role in it and came back to question you to who are you to call Modi a killer when SIT committe itself and higher courts have given a clean chit to Modi, unlike the case of Congress in 1984 riots? Are you above the courts or SIT committee?
On one hand you don’t trust CBI raids and enquiries and blame them controlled by Congress and on the other hand you defend Modi’s innocence with report of a committee of same Govt. Why?
I don’t trust CBI nor the SIT. The case is still unresolved
If you seriously do not wish to see this happen at a large scale in our country, then goto the root cause of the problems. Discuss what the religious books are teaching you. Give them benefit of doubt and research again from different authors and different explanations. Identify what is being discussed in Madrassas, why reservation is being given in the name of religion, what is secularism, where it started and why and actively voice against unrighteous activities instead of ignoring it.
Let me do a briefing.
Secularism rose in Europe to draw a line between Church and progress of the state, so that the Church does not interfere in the progress of the state. Biblical framework taught flat earth theory, Earth Being the centre of the universe and Universe being created on 4004 BC 9 am, Tuesday! For this everywhere Biblical framework was seen as a frame of reference and hence when Max Muller arrived in India, he taught Rigveda cannot be older than the Bible and gave a date 1500 BC.
Watch -> Dwarka, India - 12,000 Year Old City of Lord Krishna Found - *Full* - YouTube
Many recent surveys are only debunking the claims of earlier indologists and western historians where the history of India was undermined and ignored where it is said that if India is explored, then it might change the entire world's history!
Back again, Galileo was threatened for questioning the Church as he was of a scientific mindset. Same goes for Princess Hypatia, a mathematician and a philosopher.
Remember, philosophy and religion are poles apart for philosophy is the mother of science and questioning the Abrahamic lords is considered a blasphemy, often leading to death in the earlier ADs and even till now. With the advent of Secularism, asking religion was banned during school interviews, academics, job applications etc.
The questions you need to ask is
1. if India has blindly borrowed a western idea of secularism, then why is religion, cast etc asked in jobs applications, entrance exams etc?
2. Why reservation is being given based on religion in a so called "secular country"?
3. Muslims must have first claim on resources: PM - Times Of India
4. Why a special privilege given to a certain group whose population is 20% of the National one and 2nd highest in the world and still called a minority?
Further, regarding secularism, it is applicable to the lands where religion suppresses the freedom of people and their indivduality and imposes and common boring code of conduct! But in India, we never had terms lie Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism etc.
Who divided the Indians as "Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs" for all these (mahavira, buddha, 10 gurus of sikh, 1000s of rishis for Upanishads/Veda/Puranas/Tantras) are gurus orginating from India? Even before these gurus, there existed many other gurus like Parashuram, Dronacharya, Kripacharya? Have we ever heard of terms like Dronacharyaism, Parashuramaism etc? Have we heard of Aurobindoism, Vivekanandism, SriSri Ravishankrism?
You can't help but laugh at the utter stupidity of a mindset who created these terminologies, mapped them as "religion" and those who blindly followed without questioning it.
Buddha was adored for questioning the corrupt practices of those who called themselves as Brahmins, practiced by birth system, distorted Vedic Science wrapped in the layers of metaphors, riddles and poetry, literally to cows and horses and then practicing animal killing in the name of Vedas. He wasn't burnt or killed like Galileo and Princess Hypatia and the women who practiced science and were called as witches!
Vedic science, administration, music, creativity, military is a part of one great knowledge where questioning your own beliefs was considered as primary and Atma-gyaan (self-realization based on perfect mind control and detachment from actions while still performing actions) were the ideals. Is Secularism even applicable to such Indian working?
The greatness of the Indian science makes secularism look like a joke where the terms 'Hindu Dharma', 'Buddha dharma' sound like oxymorons! Imagine tomorrow people saying 'Aurobindo dharma', 'Vivekananda dharma', 'Ravishankar Dharma'. You can only laugh!
Difference between Religion and Dharma, for starters : Dharma and Religion -
Back to square one : What is a secular party and why is teaching of the Indian history and pro-India sentiments seen as communal?
You know “Baba Saheb Ambedkar” is the burning example that the so called Indian knowledge and ‘atma-gyaan’ was a failure.
A particular group of people were getting benefits where few were being crushed as ever.
Why do you think our constitution is not based on any religion or texts of any ancient scriptures? And, India always had this diversity of people of different beliefs.
This diversity was not created by some outsiders. It was there, always.
To rule India whichever party is in power must and must respect and all people equal. It does not matter if a certain kind of religion is having majority here or a certain kind as minority.
And, we had had a great debate on caste and reservation in TDF ago. Please don’t start that here again. Reservation was not started that easily and won’t be abolished just because ‘YOU’ don’t find any logic in it.
There are people who are being benefitted by the reservation system.
And, one phrase I found you used here “….boring code of conduct…”. Its very dangerous thought process. You just can’t ignore law just because it seems ‘boring’ and meaningless to ‘YOU’. A law is not created just by someone’s whim, in a democracy like India its passed with everyone’s agreement and with much debate.
I have never seen Modi talking about Islamic or Hindu terrorism, or Hindu or Islam etc. He only says one thing : "Mere 6 crore Gujarati"
There is Modi for PM page on FB with latest updates about Modi and Gujarat, something not shown by the paid media.
Yeah, and there is Feku Claims | FekuExpress too.
Someone is lying here, right?
India is a country which openly welcomed the invaders who initially came with a message of peace. Vasudaiv kutumbakam is an Vedic experience which lacks religion, cast etc but only sees the people according to their nature and their profession.
Brahmin - Teachers, Doctors, Engineers etc
KShatriyas - Soldiers, Warriors,
Vaishyas - Business class
Shudras - People involved with lower jobs
Secularism cannot take priority over India herself. India involves Indian history, Indian art, Indian creativity, Indian science etc. Therefore, to appease a section of society called as "minority", one cannot undermine that Indianness! Surprisingly, this promotion of Indianness is what is being projected as communal and people becoming a subject of inferiority complex and dumbfound cowardice where they fear to talk and promote that Indianness with their muslims friend in discussion thinking he might feel bad.
I beg to differ here.
You are telling the scriptures were written keeping ‘India’ in mind. This is not Indianness. You just can’t point out and say this particular thing is from original and ancient India. When ‘India’ was not invaded by any other race. This particular scripture or ritual is pure Indian. You can’t, you know.
Why? Because at that time there was no ‘India’. India is a new concept. The nation was not even in its preset from. The maps and territories marked for different countries were different then.
Refer here : The Formation of India:
(You are free to read the whole text but I would recommend you to start from para 4)
After each invasion the then country got rich by new cultures. New people and new religious beliefs. For a long time ‘India’ has walked with different people of different beliefs. In modern it was really required to give equal rights to everyone.
Talking about any particular religion is not bad. But bragging and claiming it’s the best is not proper.
Like I asked, how can teaching of Gita, a science of consciousness, an Indian science be communal? Like I said, secularism is for religion, not for creativity, philosophy and science (Vedic poetry, Upanishadic riddles, Bhagvad-Geet, higher science presented in the form of idols and puranic stories)
Teachings of Gita are not communal but if that’s the only thing you teach then its communal. If you want to teach scriptures of a particular religion why not include all.
Bible, Buddhism texts etc.
Basically refer all these Religious text - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Introduce all these in teaching. Don’t play favorites. If its teaching why not teach everything and let the disciples chose what to follow.
it doesn't mean sycophancying with those demanding their own code of conduct, a separate land, a separate reservation tag.
That happened only one time. And those who were responsible for deciding India’s fate agreed to that. I wish that does not repeat.
And in present situation it won’t happen.
And, if any such incident happen if Modi is in Power, how do you think Modi would handle it. Like he did in Gujraat?
A PM can’t play favorites. No, he can’t.
He, and if not ‘he’ the party must have a secular mindset.
Really 4 people voted for Rahul Gandhi, the prince charming! ThinkDigit is really booming with intellectual people.
There were only those three options!
And, Neither BJP and nor Congress has officially declared their PM candidate.
If I were in congress I would just offer Nitish Kumar to join Congress and offer him PM post. Sonia had already refused PM in interest of India and the sentiment of the mass, I guess she would not mind again.
And, this would be a killer move even politically by Congress!