AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

[MetalheadGautham]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

Do we have to wait TOO LONG to see 5k Quad core CPUs and 3k boards with Trinity support ?

 

[topgear]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

if you don't count 6-7 months as too long

 

[MetalheadGautham]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

if you don't count 6-7 months as too long

Funny fact is, there WAS a time Athlon II X4 + 760G/780G combo could be had for 8k around an year back. Sadly prices have shot up since then

 

[vickybat]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

Spoiler

Yesterday Acer showed off a tablet powered by AMD Trinity APU but it was not clear what processor it was using. Today Softpedia hinted that the processor ticking inside the table is a full fledged X86 quad core Trinity (not bobcat as most though initially). Most likely it is the 18W variant we were waiting for since Trinity's launch but was totally kept under wraps as to when we'll see it and where we'll see. 18W looks high but this one will be used in Asus Transformer kind of tablet with docking station so an extra battery in the keyboard dock can save AMD here.

*i.imgur.com/7vmoi.jpg

even Intel didn't showed off any quad core IVB or SB ULV proccy based tablets. Surely this one doesn't look the best but AMD made a statement and Intel did notice it, so did others.

Sam intel has quadcore ivybridge tablets lined up with windows 8 support.
Check the following:

Link

 

[coderunknown]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

Funny fact is, there WAS a time Athlon II X4 + 760G/780G combo could be had for 8k around an year back. Sadly prices have shot up since then

there are cheap boards for Llano but almost none was launched here. Most boards were priced at ~5k. With trinity we should see more boards but why are they priced so high when they lack a northbridge. Should instead be dirt cheap. Same is true for H6X motherboards.

Sam intel has quadcore ivybridge tablets lined up with windows 8 support.
Check the following:

Link

already checked but is it quad core? or dual core + HT?

 

[vickybat]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

^^ Oh didn't see that mate and its not mentioned as well. If i5, then dual core+ ht and if i7, then quad + ht. Asus has a similar model at computex that switched between android and windows 8 with the push of a button.

Check this.

 

[coderunknown]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

^^ Oh didn't see that mate and its not mentioned as well. If i5, then dual core+ ht and if i7, then quad + ht. Asus has a similar model at computex that switched between android and windows 8 with the push of a button.

Check this.

really doubt that tablet will pack anything over 17W dual core IVB. for quads the TDP gets shot to 35W and without any cooling fan, you can use it to iron your clothes

even 17W without any fan will cause it to overheat pretty soon. BTW what are they trying to show by packing 17W proccy in a tablet? Ultrabook which are 2cm thick requires a fan. Android tabs have sub-1W SOC usually. These are prototypes at best

 

[topgear]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

Funny fact is, there WAS a time Athlon II X4 + 760G/780G combo could be had for 8k around an year back. Sadly prices have shot up since then

good old days but still you can have a tri core based APU + Mobo and at-least 2GB DDR3 ram @ 8k

there are cheap boards for Llano but almost none was launched here. Most boards were priced at ~5k.

checkout Gigabyte A55M-DS2 or ASUS F1A55-M LX - available at ~3.5k

With trinity we should see more boards but why are they priced so high when they lack a northbridge. Should instead be dirt cheap. Same is true for H6X motherboards.

very true but A55 chipset based socket FM2 mobos will be priced lower IMO - look at the two above two A55 mobos - if they can be priced below 4k then a55 mobos based on FM2 socket will be priced similarly.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

nVidia 7050a and AMD 760G chipset based boards cost around 2.6k. So if you remove the northbridge, shouldn't the price come down to atleast 2k ?

 

[vkl]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

Some info on desktop trinity parts:
AMD's Awaited Desktop Trinity APUs Detailed Fully

Amd APU Webpage

 

[coderunknown]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

checkout Gigabyte A55M-DS2 or ASUS F1A55-M LX - available at ~3.5k

very true but A55 chipset based socket FM2 mobos will be priced lower IMO - look at the two above two A55 mobos - if they can be priced below 4k then a55 mobos based on FM2 socket will be priced similarly.

yes a few boards are there that cost less but also lot less boards were released Llano as compared to what we used to have for AM2+/3 platform. maybe manufacturers are giving more priority to AM3+ here.

nVidia 7050a and AMD 760G chipset based boards cost around 2.6k. So if you remove the northbridge, shouldn't the price come down to atleast 2k ?

Intel's socket cost quite a bit. Maybe similarly FM2 socket price drive the end price high. or maybe some license cost.

AMD Claims No Delay With Desktop Trinity

so desktop Trinity is really delayed. OEM comes first.

 

[topgear]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

yes a few boards are there that cost less but also lot less boards were released Llano as compared to what we used to have for AM2+/3 platform. maybe manufacturers are giving more priority to AM3+ here.

Intel's socket cost quite a bit. Maybe similarly FM2 socket price drive the end price high. or maybe some license cost.

this will change with the release of Trinity - AMD has stopped manufacturing of Athlon II and Phenom II cpus and with Trinity Llano will be replaced too - so there will be only Trinity and BD from amd and trinity will drive the value desktop segment ( read 3-5k cpus mostly ) and there will be cheaper FM2 mobos available once we start to get cheap desktop Trinity apus - but this will take time as AMD have to first sell the remaining stock of Llano apus and any cheap Athlon II cpus.

AMD Claims No Delay With Desktop Trinity

so desktop Trinity is really delayed. OEM comes first.

this reaction was expected but for people who want to build their own Trinity based desktop will have to wait till winter

 

[vkl]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

Here are the trinity desktop benchmarks

AMD Trinity On The Desktop: A10, A8, And A6 Get Benchmarked

 

[skeletor]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

^^ excellent review.

lol @ Pentium G and Core i3 when these come out.

Eyeinfinity (3 displays) from the APU, integrated graphics equal to 75% of HD 6670, OpenCL acceleration in Photoshop CS6 filters which kills even i7-3960X by a mile, OpenCL acceleration in WinZip, CPU of A10-5800K finally as fast as Phenom II 955 BE and can be overclocked.

Major win.

Ideal office/home PC. Won't mind recommending branded PCs if they sport Trinity.

 

[coderunknown]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

*media.bestofmicro.com/E/C/341364/original/batman%201920.png

Full HD gaming on an APU

time for a simple comparison:
*i.imgur.com/Q660J.jpg

in FPS:
HD4000: 28.88 (on low)
HD6550D: 33.68 (on low) | 19.44 (on mid)
HD7660D: 42.48 (estimated on low) | 24.52 (on mid)

moreover faster processor means better performance in Skyrim. So HD7660D is more than 50% faster than HD4000.

 

[topgear]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

^^ excellent review.

lol @ Pentium G and Core i3 when these come out.

Eyeinfinity (3 displays) from the APU, integrated graphics equal to 75% of HD 6670, OpenCL acceleration in Photoshop CS6 filters which kills even i7-3960X by a mile, OpenCL acceleration in WinZip, CPU of A10-5800K finally as fast as Phenom II 955 BE and can be overclocked.

Major win.

Ideal office/home PC. Won't mind recommending branded PCs if they sport Trinity.

here come''s

AMD lists first desktop Trinity APUs, arriving in all-in-one PCs this month - TechSpot News

 

[skeletor]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

*media.bestofmicro.com/E/Z/341387/original/per%20core%20itunes.png

*media.bestofmicro.com/E/X/341385/original/per%20core%203dsmax.png

15% faster IPC without L3 cache compared to BD.

With L3, add around 5% more. 8 core Vishera will be competitive in multithreaded workloads.

 

[vkl]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

Trinity compared with Core i3 2100 And A8-3870K(llano) at Tomshardware:
Tom's Hardware > All Reviews > Components > CPU > AMD Desktop Trinity Update: Now With Core i3 And A8-3870K
AMD Desktop Trinity Update: Now With Core i3 And A8-3870K
Trinity A10-5800k and A8-5600k fare well in most of the tests.Both do quite well in all the multi-threaded tasks.Performance in single threaded tasks is ok.
NOTE:In some applications where opencl could have been used was not used in the test.

without opencl acceleration
*i.imgur.com/Btqhm.png

with opencl acceleration
*i.imgur.com/Np4f2.png
Using opencl acceleration in winzip a10-5800k,a8-5600k,a8-3850 are much faster than the i3-2100.

 

[Skud]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

AMD again trying to ape XMP:-

ECS First to Add AMD Memory Profile Support | techPowerUp

 

[comp@ddict]

re: AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

I think the fastest quad-core 65W Trinity desktop APU would be the best choice for power and performance POV.