AMD Trinity & Richland APU Discussion

[Skud]

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Trinity lacks L3 cache, so Piledriver will improve performance more, but don't expect anything ground breaking. If you are fine with AMD's "just enough CPU performance with a low-mid range GPU performance" theory, then Trinity is the way to go. Marketing and availability are two of the Achilles heels for AMD though.

 

[sukesh1090]

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For me if any one wants a gaming rig at around 25-30k then i think they should go for trinity rather than spending on i3,i5 or even phenom,fx quad cores.if AMD know how to promote this then i don't think intel's processors have any role in Laptop and netbook segment.but its always single line once told by a NOOB Ie.,"AMD's chips tends to heat up too much" keeps them away from buying a good AMD notebook.

 

[coderunknown]

actually a 2nd gen Pentium + H61 + 6670 will cost slightly more than trinity setup but offer more performance. Trinity makes more sense in laptops (Flipkarts highest rated lappy is powered by same) than a costly desktop. But i agree on 1 point though, sub 20k multimedia/gaming pc will be possible now without sacrificing much as even lowend trinity can beat HD4000 but as i3 only have HD2000/2500.

 

[sukesh1090]

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you are right bro but i am telling that trinity when crossfired with 6670 will surely offer more performance than 2nd gen pentium rig at almost same price and also the cpu performance of 5800K is equal to i3 in most tests.so i guess 5880k is no brainer choice over i3, i3 sells at 6k and 5800k is also priced around 6k.i3 has minimum to nothing graphics performance where as 5800k has very good Gpu performance which can fairly handle most of the games without any discrete GPU.

 

[vkl]

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A10 5800k performs on a level with 3rd gen i3 3225/20.In general the 3rd gen i3 has somewhat of an advantage in single threaded tasks.
Itunes is the clear example of that.
In more multi-threaded applications it is close.In winrar i3 3225 is faster while in 7zip it is the a10 5800k.
Things are even closer with 2nd gen i3 and a10 5800k.
With better IGP,good GPGPU compute and good multi-threaded performance a10-5800k is more appealing over 2nd gen i3.
No doubt the IGP of the trinity is much superior as far as gaming is concerned.

One thing worth noting about the 3rd gen intel processors is openCL and openGL support.
Now using openCL in some supported functions in photoshop cs6, i3 3225 goes ahead of the a10 5800k which also utilises openCL.
With v2729 drivers Intel also has implemented support for openGL4.0,though the trinity APUs already come with openGL4.1.This is a good step from intel in graphics front.
2nd gen pentium like g620 can do well in some cases but overall the quad core trinity processors would offer a much better x86 performance in general.
They will be somewhat handicapped in multi-threaded applications against the trinity quad cores.

 

[Skud]

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Trinity gives you more option than any equivalent Intel setup. Also A85 pawns H61 in almost every count. 08 SATA 3 ports? Bless me!

And lastly, think about the children. Parents are not always eager to spend even 5k on a graphics card. The A10 gives you the option to actually have that much graphics grunt without even your parents knowing. That in itself is a win for me.

 

[topgear]

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According to AMD, the A55 chipset is targeted for use with the A4 and A6 series APUs. The A75 chipset is targeted for the A6 and A8 APUs and the A85X chipset targets the A8 and the A10 series APUs. - now this is where the players will play .. A85X mobos will be priced a lot higher - not less than 7k IMO but this is OK - 2x pci-e slot at 8x speed and Lots of Sata 3.0 ports with usb 3.0 warrants some premeium and if 3rd party manufacturer wants they can also force A10 APU buyers to buy A85x mobos

 

[ranjitsd]

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does L3 cache make any difference in games

 

[dabster]

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@ dabster - most probably the higher TDP model will consume slightly more power and 5600K has 400 Mhz closk speed advantage and based on the same architecture cpus with higher clock speed generally consumes a little more power.

Yup, But for same application being run(load) also - the 2 processors can dissipate different heats. mostly yes.
running cool is something that I want to think while building next HTPC - hence the thoughts here.

 

[kg11sgbg]

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For me if any one wants a gaming rig at around 25-30k then i think they should go for trinity rather than spending on i3,i5 or even phenom,fx quad cores.if AMD know how to promote this then i don't think intel's processors have any role in Laptop and netbook segment.but its always single line once told by a NOOB Ie.,"AMD's chips tends to heat up too much" keeps them away from buying a good AMD notebook.

Sadly,the common and so called uncommon(Techies,Geeks,Gamers,...) people behaves like the noob,without going into much details.
Many of my relatives(non-tech background) those of who wanted to purchase a PC/Rig below Rs.30k approached me for suggestions.When suggested about AMD platforms,those idiotic relatives of mine
gnarled at me...and said that from someone/somebody(may be fictitious)they have heard that AMD CPU/APU/CHIPS(not chipset) tends to heat UP LIKE A BLISTERING FURNACE!!!???
Just imagine what is the THOUGHTS of these people...how much bias-ness has been impregnated or imbibed to their brains by Intel.

This is the reason, for which I HATE Intel(DESPITE THEIR ADVANCEMENT IN TECHNOLOGY).

 

[coderunknown]

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does L3 cache make any difference in games

for the inbuilt GPU, no. but if you use some midrange or highend one then definitely yes. check anandtech review. they tested trinity with a highend GPU.

 

[dabster]

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Are the Trinity desktop versions showing up in market ? Anywhere ? Though too early to look for after announcement.

 

[d6bmg]

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does L3 cache make any difference in games

Almost next to nothing.
Consider my answer as no.

 

[sukesh1090]

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yes that 85X board is a winner over similarly priced intel chipset boards.8 SATA 6G ports and 6 USB 3.0 ports thats awesome.the main benefit of the asus board they have used for review is that it has an USB 3.0 internal connector which you can use for connecting front cabinet 3.0 ports,which if i am not wrong most of the low to mid end motherboards doesn't provide even if they have USB 3.0 ports in back.so even if they cost 6-7k they are really a bang for the buck.
@dabster ,
buddy i don't think trinity is out for sale anywhere in the world but i am more than sure that it is not available in India as of now.even we are not getting trinity based notebooks which has been released a few months back.

 

[dabster]

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@dabster ,
buddy i don't think trinity is out for sale anywhere in the world but i am more than sure that it is not available in India as of now.even we are not getting trinity based notebooks which has been released a few months back.

They are out - New AMD A-Series Processors Bring Faster Speeds, High Core Count and AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series Graphics to Do-It-Yourself PC Enthusiasts and Gamers
And I will check but i definitely think trinity notebooks were available on indian portals online.

And I will check but i definitely think trinity notebooks were available on indian portals online.

@sukesh1090 : - there is a discussion thread in tdf itself on trinity laptops in india see here - *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/laptops-netbooks/158112-trinity-laptops-here.html

 

[topgear]

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@ dabster and sukesh1090 - guys get one from here
Newegg.com - AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon HD 7660D AD580KWOHJBOX

 

[dabster]

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@ dabster and sukesh1090 - guys get one from here
Newegg.com - AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon HD 7660D AD580KWOHJBOX

- I want to build only by Dec - have time till then. Looking for A75 based FM2 boards and I am actually fanboy for biostar mobo's. Can somebody tell me the difference between A85 and A75 chipsets - major ones which will matter.(If somebody already figured )

 

[sukesh1090]

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@topgear,
bro thanks for the link but my current rig is more than sufficient for me.if it feels like loosing performance i will OC it as it is easily going till 4.3-4.5GHz.
@dabster,
thanks for the info buddy.

 

[Skud]

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- I want to build only by Dec - have time till then. Looking for A75 based FM2 boards and I am actually fanboy for biostar mobo's. Can somebody tell me the difference between A85 and A75 chipsets - major ones which will matter.(If somebody already figured )

This:-

*i.imgur.com/NOkCp.jpg

(image taken from Guru3D)

 

[topgear]

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@topgear,
bro thanks for the link but my current rig is more than sufficient for me.if it feels like loosing performance i will OC it as it is easily going till 4.3-4.5GHz.
@dabster,
thanks for the info buddy.

talking about OCing how this looks

AMD's Trinity APU overclocked to 7.3GHz | TG Daily