AMD Phenom II benchmarks out!! Goodbye Q94xx

[amitash]

Only thing going against i7 right now are the boards, they are expensive.

Cheaper boards came out when phenom 2 arrived...check this out:
*www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128375
x58 with sli AND crossfire for 200$..thats 9k..maybe 11k here in india...so you can pick up a corei7(15k) + gigabyte x58(maybe 11k) +corsair XMS3 3gb(7.5k) for a total of about 34k...add a 4870 at 16k and it totals to 50k.

for AMD:
P2-941--14k + AM3 mobo(I wouldnt go for AM2 for an upgrade) maybe around 8k(for ddr3 and pci-e 2.0 cfx support) + the same corsair RAM for 7.5k + HD4870 16k will total to approx 46k....IMO if thats the pricing then core i7 seems much more worth it for 4k more.

 

[desiibond]

^^ What if Phenom II AM3 processor is priced at 9k and the first am3 boards are available for 5k-6k. (780G boards price from the beginning was around 5.5k). Then, you get processor + mobo for the price of core i7 (unless Intel cuts price of core i7 in the same way).

 

[amitash]

^processor is the same p2-940..why should it be priced at 9k?...I dont hear any rumours for price cuts..hell it just came out. and AFAIK DDR3 mobos are expensive to make and with all the taxes in india you can expect prices of atleast 8k for a mobo with great features and 2xpci-e x16 lanes.

 

[damngoodman999]

the launch price will be higher in all INTEL & AMD proccy say what "corei7 launch price 18000/-inc VAT see now E.X .E8500 , Q9300 all are priced too high in the launch

See a month P2 920 will be 9K or less /-

SO what

P2 940 - 14.5 (OC to 3.5Ghz)
790G board with Crossfire- 5.5
2 X HD 4850 - 19K
12 GB RAM 1066Mhz - 9.4K

50K total Even more faster than Corei7 920

Cpu is not fully dependent on games GPU is 50% a part RAM & CPU are another 50%

The stock cooler of phenom 2 940 is gr8 with heat pipes so we can oC to 3.6ghz at last . with the good CPU cooler Even OC to 4ghz with 790G chipset .

Total =

 

[desiibond]

^processor is the same p2-940..why should it be priced at 9k?...I dont hear any rumours for price cuts..hell it just came out. and AFAIK DDR3 mobos are expensive to make and with all the taxes in india you can expect prices of atleast 8k for a mobo with great features and 2xpci-e x16 lanes.

of course it will come down. why shouldn't it? What was the price of AMD phenom 9950 BE when released? it's price now is 9k.

anyways, let's not think about whats there in future. let's think about the market now and in coming week or two.

 

[darklord]

Cheaper boards came out when phenom 2 arrived...check this out:
*www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128375
x58 with sli AND crossfire for 200$..thats 9k..maybe 11k here in india...so you can pick up a corei7(15k) + gigabyte x58(maybe 11k) +corsair XMS3 3gb(7.5k) for a total of about 34k...add a 4870 at 16k and it totals to 50k.

This board does NOT support SLI, it supports only CrossfireX. Also please note that not ALL X58 boards support SLI.

 

[damngoodman999]

^^^ & Also crossfire @ 8X speed full !!

 

[MetalheadGautham]

This board does NOT support SLI, it supports only CrossfireX. Also please note that not ALL X58 boards support SLI.

No problem. CorssFireX is not inferior to SLI to make you buy only SLI boards.

This looks damn impressive anyway.

Model Brand GIGABYTE Model GA-EX58-UD3R Supported CPU CPU Socket Type LGA 1366 CPU Type Core i7 FSB QPI 6.4GT/S Chipsets North Bridge Intel X58 South Bridge Intel ICH10R Memory Number of Memory Slots 4×240pin Memory Standard DDR3 2000+/1333 Maximum Memory Supported 16GB Channel Supported Triple Channel Expansion Slots PCI Express 2.0 x16 2 PCI Express x4 1 PCI Express x1 2 PCI Slots 2 Storage Devices PATA 1 x ATA100 2 Dev. Max SATA 3Gb/s 8 SATA RAID 0/1/5/10 Onboard Video Onboard Video Chipset None Onboard Audio Audio Chipset Realtek ALC888 Audio Channels 8 Channels Onboard LAN LAN Chipset Realtek 8111D Max LAN Speed 10/100/1000Mbps Rear Panel Ports PS/2 2 USB 8 x USB 2.0 IEEE 1394 2 x IEEE 1394a S/PDIF Out 1x Optical, 1x Coaxial Audio Ports 6 Ports Onboard USB Onboard USB 2 x USB 2.0/1.1 headers Onboard 1394 Onboard 1394 1x 1394a Physical Spec Form Factor ATX Dimensions 12.0" x 9.6" Power Pin 24 Pin Packaging Package Contents GA-EX58-UD3R
Driver Disk
User Manual
Rear I/O Panel Shield
IDE/PATA Cable
FDD Cable
SATA Cable

And its not 200$, its 185$ after the 15$ rebate on buying. Quite VFM.

I would prefer this with Core i7 925 anyday over Phenom II 940 with a similarly priced 790FX CrossFireX board.

 

[amitash]

^my point exactly...not everyone is an overclocker..comparing p2 at 3.5g to 2.6g i7 is unfair but still the i7 is nearly equal to p2...and with stock cooler i was able to get my 920 to 3.4g easily without even changing voltages just base clock...it was stable 8hs under prime..i can easily go further but at 3.4 temps reach 75c which is safe for i7. Most people only care about stock perf in which you cant compare p2 to i7.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

^my point exactly...not everyone is an overclocker..comparing p2 at 3.5g to 2.6g i7 is unfair but still the i7 is nearly equal to p2...and with stock cooler i was able to get my 920 to 3.4g easily without even changing voltages just base clock...it was stable 8hs under prime..i can easily go further but at 3.4 temps reach 75c which is safe for i7. Most people only care about stock perf in which you cant compare p2 to i7.

Actually, you are wrong in that part. Most people DO care about overclock headroom. Why do you think Intel E2xx0 allendale CPUs murdered most of the AMD Athlon X2 CPUs ?

But the REAL thing I am trying to say here is that Core i7 is as overclockable as Phenom II. So it would be DUMB to expect people to buy Phenom II because the fastest Phenom II AMD has to offer can beat on overclocking the slowest Core i7 Intel has on stock conditions.


AMD has let consumers down by not adding DDR3, AM3 and HT3.0 support.
They initially said that we could buy and place Phenom II CPUs in cheap old AM2+ motherboards with DDR2 memory and expect the same CPUs to work in brand new AM3 Motherboards with DDR3 memory.

But that doesn't seem to be happening soon, and when it does take place, with the launch of Phenom II 9x5 CPUs, DDR3 would already have been mainstream to offset the original gains most people expected.

 

[comp@ddict]

But you know what, with hope that Core i7 i920 will drop in price by April 09, and maybe P55 comes for 7k, or X58 mobos price come down too, I would actually go for Core i7 but an HD5870 preferably, or an HD4850x2.

 

[desiibond]

I see gigabyte motherboards with support for AM2+ and AM3 sockets. And they have 780G chipset.

 

[amitash]

^source please.

But you know what, with hope that Core i7 i920 will drop in price by April 09, and maybe P55 comes for 7k, or X58 mobos price come down too, I would actually go for Core i7 but an HD5870 preferably, or an HD4850x2.

AFAIK P55 is not coming for core i7 but only for core i5...There was a rumour that i7 is only for the high end X58 chipset.

 

[SunnyChahal]

Sorry for going offtopic but I just wanted to know if intel are releasing any new chips by April. I am planning to get a new rig as soon as a Dx11 GPU hits the market. Should I wait or not? It shouldn't be like, I bought a new rig,jumping with joy and the next day a Dx11 GPU comes out and I'm left with nothing but regret.
What I'm planning to get is Core i7 965 Extreme,GTX295 or 3xx SLI,3*2GB DDR3 RAM and a mobo that can handle it all. Good enough of shall I buy only one GPU?

@3xGTX280 guy,ROFLMAO using such a rig for just surfing the net is a serious insult to it. Even my iPhone does that Man are you serious or just fooling around the forum? Next thing I hear is a lunatic coming from nowhere saying he plays minesweeper on i7,GTX295 tri-SLI.

 

[desiibond]

@@Sunny, go for it. if you can afford i7+295, you need not wait (unless you want to wait for price drop). You won't see dx11 GPU anytime soon. games aren't yet mature for dx10 in the first place.

 

[SunnyChahal]

I'll still wait till April 1st till my exams get over and the next day I'll pick up the best hardware available for gaming.

 

[amitash]

Go for it but i feel one gtx295 is more than enough...you must have one hell of a budget...i7 965 is 50k and imo its not worth it unless you plan to reach world record clocks..and i bet the gtx 295 will also be around 40k as even the gtx280 is 30k...for mobo asus rampage 2 extreme is the best but it will atleast be another 30k..the gigabyte extreme offers nearly same perf and oc potential at 20k...corsair 6gb ram is another 16k which already brings the total to 1.4l..with monitor and case and stuff it will probably get close to 2l..imo it is not worth spending more than 70k on a rig..you can save and upgrade more frequently instead of one big upgrade.

 

[SunnyChahal]

you must have one hell of a budget

Yes,I do but I'm gonna buy this rig in April only. Maybe better than this depending on the hardware available by then.
I'll use my Samsung 22" T220 which I bought just a month ago and G15 and MX518.
What I'm planning to buy is:
Intel Core i7 965 Extreme or better
nVidia GTX 295 or 3xx
3*2GB DDR3 RAM
2*1TB 32MB buffer SATA II
Any mobo which you recommend.
Rest are a coolermaster PSU and cabby,a Blu-Ray writer,a creative sound card and 7.1 speakers.
Total?(In April)

 

[amitash]

i7-965--50k
gtx 295 is 500$ in the US but i expect it to be around 40k as even gtx 280 was 500$ at first and it was 40k during release.
corsair XMS3 1*6GB (2*3gb tri-channel not available here)--15k
2*1 tb segate--12k
MOBO--either Asus Rampage 2 extreme at 30k(very low vfm imho) OR gigabyte GA-EX58 extreme--20k
Tagan BZ700 700W PSU--7k
antec 1200 gaming cabby--10k
blu ray writer--around 11k
creative SB X-fi etreme--5.5k
not sure abt speakers.
logitech G15--5k
logitech MX 518--2k
samsung T220--16k

The total will come upto 2.04L excluding speakers.

 

[desiibond]

^^ I would say, instead of gettnig core i7 965, get core i7 920 and get 2xgtx295.

btw, am hearing lot of news that seagate 1tb drivers failure rate is very high. keep an eye on that!!!