AMD Bulldozer News and Discussion

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BUMP...

And bring out your spoonful of salts

More benchmarks with another ES at 3.2 GHz and if these things are correct, the 8130P is going to best the i7 2600k. Check the following:-

1. AMD's Bulldozer-based FX-8130P benchmarked early - TechSpot News

2. Purported AMD Bulldozer Benchmarks Leaked by VR-Zone.com

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AMD's Bulldozer-based FX-8130P benchmarked early - TechSpot News

All I can say if amd is giving 8 core for the price of intel's 4 core, and intel just delayed ivy the that means bd won't be a big threat, maybe not as cr@p as phenoms were but not good enough to best it anyway.

 

[Skud]

to best what - snb or ivy?

 

[tkin]

to best what - snb or ivy?

Of course SNB, ivy is another monster to start with

I just made a gflops comparison between Faun's 2500k and mukherjee's 2600k at same clock speeds, mukherjee is getting 70% more performance with HT on, so in reality 2600k actually behaves like a 7 core processor, so all amd has to do is beat intel's 7 core with their 8 core with supposedly half avx performance as well(need to do a bit research on this).

 

[skeletor]

All I can say if amd is giving 8 core for the price of intel's 4 core, and intel just delayed ivy the that means bd won't be a big threat, maybe not as cr@p as phenoms were but not good enough to best it anyway.

All some other guy can say if amd is giving 8 cores for the price of intel's 4 core, and intel just delayed ivy means bd has to be a big threat, surely not as cr@p as phenoms were but good enough to best sb anyway.

 

[Skud]

Of course SNB, ivy is another monster to start with

I just made a gflops comparison between Faun's 2500k and mukherjee's 2600k at same clock speeds, mukherjee is getting 70% more performance with HT on, so in reality 2600k actually behaves like a 7 core processor, so all amd has to do is beat intel's 7 core with their 8 core with supposedly half avx performance as well(need to do a bit research on this).

What you are saying is OK, but in the end its the real life performance that matters. OK, just a couple of months to go to let the dust settled.

And in any case, all the leaked performance figures are more or less consistent, so it will hardly go haywire in the end.

 

[comp@ddict]

If BD can "just match" Sandy Bridge, then god save AMD because Ivy Bridge will eat it alive, at half the die size and TDP.

 

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All some other guy can say if amd is giving 8 cores for the price of intel's 4 core, and intel just delayed ivy means bd has to be a big threat, surely not as cr@p as phenoms were but good enough to best sb anyway.

Didn't get you, how did you make that assumption? If product A is a threat for product B than manufacturer of B cancels new product so that they can be beat black and blue by A?

Ivy taped out months ago, intel can ramp up production anytime they want, sandy launched just in time. And the fact that they pushed both to next year means intel wants to cash on the Sandy platform this year and does not wish to decrease earnings by launching new platform(old inventory clearance etc), clearly BD can't be a serious threat. Most we can see are a bit of price decrease from them.

PS: For the price of a good 2.1 speaker(6k), frontech gives you 5.1 speakers, by your analogy frontech speakers are better.

 

[skeletor]

Read properly again.

 

[asingh]

Didn't get you, how did you make that assumption? If product A is a threat for product B than manufacturer of B cancels new product so that they can be beat black and blue by A?

Ivy taped out months ago, intel can ramp up production anytime they want, sandy launched just in time. And the fact that they pushed both to next year means intel wants to cash on the Sandy platform this year and does not wish to decrease earnings by launching new platform(old inventory clearance etc), clearly BD can't be a serious threat. Most we can see are a bit of price decrease from them.

PS: For the price of a good 2.1 speaker(6k), frontech gives you 5.1 speakers, by your analogy frontech speakers are better.

It seems like a marketing strategy. Intel has realized that the 8 cored BD's will be a substantial threat to their current flagship SBs. So they halt their ready product -- Ivy Bridge, to combat the market pie when BDs are officially released. For Intel it does not matter how much of sales they do of any product / chip they manufacture. They are an aggressive company. They want 100% of the pie. Monopoly.

Using foresight, they would rather take a hit right now of sales (not releasing Ivy Bridge) and later on capture more market share (which AMD wants) -- by pushing a product a wee bit late.

Right place right time.

 

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Read properly again.

Oh, I see, so you are saying BD if possible will beat ivy as well, hmm, like that's ever gonna happen, ivy parts will come with 4Ghz base clock.

 

[skeletor]

Read properly again.

 

[tkin]

It seems like a marketing strategy. Intel has realized that the 8 cored BD's will be a substantial threat to their current flagship SBs. So they halt their ready product -- Ivy Bridge, to combat the market pie when BDs are officially released. For Intel it does not matter how much of sales they do of any product / chip they manufacture. They are an aggressive company. They want 100% of the pie. Monopoly.

Using foresight, they would rather take a hit right now of sales (not releasing Ivy Bridge) and later on capture more market share (which AMD wants) -- by pushing a product a wee bit late.

Right place right time.

Seems a bit to far fetched, what will they even gain with this? Even if they launch Ivy later the money that amd makes from BD can be used by them to research and release better version of BD next year, plus the publicity, if amd just gets past intel in one generation people will go gaga over it, remember amd 58xx? Amd just managed to beat nvidia once in 3 or 4 gens, and people went crazy over them, a popularity that carried over still today and will likely to continue forward even when now nvidia had released competing products in almost every segment, its like how america created osama, give someone too freedom and he becomes too big a threat to contain any more.

Enough conspiracy theories, hope BD makes it this year, its been too long already, any more and people rather wait for Ivy, I mean if someone can wait 5 months for BD why can't they wait another 5 for Ivy?

 

[comp@ddict]

Oh, I see, so you are saying BD if possible will beat ivy as well, hmm, like that's ever gonna happen, ivy parts will come with 4Ghz base clock.

I think he said the opposite.

Read again.

 

[tkin]

I think he said the opposite.

Read again.

Maybe I misread it, full domination? They can do that right now with ivy, why wait for BD to settle?

 

[Skud]

Seems a bit to far fetched, what will they even gain with this? Even if they launch Ivy later the money that amd makes from BD can be used by them to research and release better version of BD next year, plus the publicity, if amd just gets past intel in one generation people will go gaga over it, remember amd 58xx? Amd just managed to beat nvidia once in 3 or 4 gens, and people went crazy over them, a popularity that carried over still today and will likely to continue forward even when now nvidia had released competing products in almost every segment, its like how america created osama, give someone too freedom and he becomes too big a threat to contain any more.

Enough conspiracy theories, hope BD makes it this year, its been too long already, any more and people rather wait for Ivy, I mean if someone can wait 5 months for BD why can't they wait another 5 for Ivy?

That has happened only once starting from x800 series to HD3xxx series. But before that:-

Radeon 8500> GF3
Radeon 9700> GF4
Radeon 9800> GF5

That's also a loss of 3 generations. So nVIDIA was Osama much earlier than AMD.

 

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That has happened only once starting from x800 series to HD3xxx series. But before that:-

Radeon 8500> GF3
Radeon 9700> GF4
Radeon 9800> GF5

That's also a loss of 3 generations. So nVIDIA was Osama much earlier than AMD.

Upto HD4xxx, cause GT2xx spanked 4xxx hard

 

[skeletor]

Amd just managed to beat nvidia once in 3 or 4 gens.

Nope.

that has happened only once starting from x800 series to hd3xxx series. But before that:-

radeon 8500> gf3
radeon 9700> gf4
radeon 9800> gf5

that's also a loss of 3 generations. So nvidia was osama much earlier than amd.

X1950XTX > gf7.

Upto HD4xxx, cause GT2xx spanked 4xxx hard

GT 2xx couldn't compete with HD 4850/70 price points.

HD 4870 was faster than GTX 260 and Core 216. Then there was GTX 280. HD 4890 was faster than GTX 280. Then GTX 285.

 

[Skud]

Upto HD4xxx, cause GT2xx spanked 4xxx hard

No way. In that case, even GF 6xxx and 7xxx were spanked hard by their respective AMD counterparts.

Nope.


X1950XTX > gf7.


GT 2xx couldn't compete with HD 4850/70 price points.

HD 4870 was faster than GTX 260 and Core 216. Then there was GTX 280. HD 4890 was faster than GTX 280. Then GTX 285.

Just forget about that X19xx. My mind jumps straight to HD 2900 from X1800.

 

[skeletor]

HD 4850 and 4870 sold like crazy. Really crazy. I remember the forum in those days.