Next Gen Console discussion ( PS4 'n Xbox One'n Wii U )

[CommanderShawnzer]

Xbox One will still sell like hell in the US of A
In other places? Not so well
In India & Japan? not at all

 

[NoasArcAngel]

Xbox One will still sell like hell in the US of A
In other places? Not so well
In India & Japan? not at all

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taking from the rich and giving to the poor, or the other way around ?

 

[Bhargav Simha]

there is a simple way to go across the DRM of Xbox One. Your friend can't play with your disk you ask? just give him your account details and he can play.

Yeah but then you wont be able to play other games on you xb .... I am also not sure if your xbox account will be tied up to your xbox alone, someone please confirm..

I feel the XBOX one is a good entertainment device for the living room like the Wii and will fill in the next gen Family console gap left by Wii... However I feel (and I wish to be proved wrong) it is harmfull for core gaming unlike Wii.
Wii helped the industry by making gaming a family thing and a hip thing, till then gamers were almost outcasts and gaming was seen as a vice like smoking or drinking. Now when more people are getting into gaming, why does M$ want to get people more interested in TV, when its obviously a competitor.
The XBOX one by making TV more important and interactive may prove harmfull for gaming industry, since the Halo, NHL stuff etc may draw people away from gaming.
The so called voice control and gesture control shenanigans are already being provided by the smart tvs and they are only going to get better, so I dont understand why would anyone want to buy a XBOX one for the feature. Also since PS4 seems to be concentrating on the hardcore games with the tie-ups with AAA and Indie games, why would anyone spend more on xbone when they get better hardware and more and different types of games with a PS4
Instead of blowing stuff on these, if M$ had invested in better casual games...which whole family can play or indie games (as they did for xbox 360) or better hardware... it would have taken the gaming boom to the next level.
However I am glad that Sony, which was arrogant like hell in the past has come around and taken care of some of the things like Indie and Hardcore games etc.
I think XBOX and Wii U will be fighting for the Wii's Family/casual market this time, where as the PS4 will be taking over the market of 360 and ps3.
I wish Nintendo and Xbone wont suffer huge losses, but learn a good lesson (Like sony)... so they can come back strongly next time

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

Even if *some* people buy this(XBOX One) here,It will be considered stupid coz
1)No support for *Indian Accent*
2)Who the f**k wants to watch NFL and Baseball? .Give me Cricket and Football,McroSh!t.
3)No apps.The poor Indian will have to manage with Youtube,Dailymotion and FB.No Netflix,No HBO Go.Nothing
4)No stuff(movies,music) to Buy/Rent & download.Anyway,who buys stuff in India?
Certainly not "SUE ME I'M A PIRATE WHAT WILL YOU DO " type of people,who also happen to be Sony fanboys
5)No Gaems.Who wants to play Call of Doggy:Ghosts?



So spare yourself all this so-called Next-Gen BS
And buy a forever Next-Gen PC!
and get a PS4 when God of War 4 releases




I might buy a PS4 in 2 years(hopefully SM will release GoW4 By then)
I just hope they don't make a stupid re-boot called GoW : God of War

 

[Bhargav Simha]

Even if *some* people buy this(XBOX One) here,It will be considered stupid coz
1)No support for *Indian Accent*
2)Who the f**k wants to watch NFL and Baseball? .Give me Cricket and Football,McroSh!t.
3)No apps.The poor Indian will have to manage with Youtube,Dailymotion and FB.No Netflix,No HBO Go.Nothing
4)No stuff(movies,music) to Buy/Rent & download.Anyway,who buys stuff in India?
Certainly not "SUE ME I'M A PIRATE WHAT WILL YOU DO " type of people,who also happen to be Sony fanboys
5)No Gaems.Who wants to play Call of Doggy:Ghosts?

+1 ...That was smart and precise....

 

[vickybat]

Even if *some* people buy this(XBOX One) here,It will be considered stupid coz
1)No support for *Indian Accent*
2)Who the f**k wants to watch NFL and Baseball? .Give me Cricket and Football,McroSh!t.
3)No apps.The poor Indian will have to manage with Youtube,Dailymotion and FB.No Netflix,No HBO Go.Nothing
4)No stuff(movies,music) to Buy/Rent & download.Anyway,who buys stuff in India?
Certainly not "SUE ME I'M A PIRATE WHAT WILL YOU DO " type of people,who also happen to be Sony fanboys
5)No Gaems.Who wants to play Call of Doggy:Ghosts?

All of your points hold true in an indian context except the last one. Honestly, it was pretty damn dumb.

"No games"?? Really!!!!

Btw xbox 360 quite has a nice presence in india. Microsoft ( like sony) has an official presence here.
The DRM stuff could prove to be a turn off here though.

 

[heidi2521]

While we circlejerk about how the Xbone sucks, lets not forget that the PS4 will have an option to let publishers block used games.

Shuhei Yoshida stated that "when you purchase the disc-based games for PS4, that should work on any hardware." When asked whether games would require online registration, Yoshida noted that that decision was up to the publisher. When asked if Sony, as a publisher, would require games to be registered online, Yoshida said, "we are not talking about that plan."

Sony’s Yoshida: PlayStation 4 won’t block used games (Updated) | Ars Technica

Even if *some* people buy this(XBOX One) here,It will be considered stupid coz
1)No support for *Indian Accent*
2)Who the f**k wants to watch NFL and Baseball? .Give me Cricket and Football,McroSh!t.
3)No apps.The poor Indian will have to manage with Youtube,Dailymotion and FB.No Netflix,No HBO Go.Nothing
4)No stuff(movies,music) to Buy/Rent & download.Anyway,who buys stuff in India?
Certainly not "SUE ME I'M A PIRATE WHAT WILL YOU DO " type of people,who also happen to be Sony fanboys
5)No Gaems.Who wants to play Call of Doggy:Ghosts?



So spare yourself all this so-called Next-Gen BS
And buy a forever Next-Gen PC!
and get a PS4 when God of War 4 releases




I might buy a PS4 in 2 years(hopefully SM will release GoW4 By then)
I just hope they don't make a stupid re-boot called GoW : God of War

To add to that, many TVs can already do what the Xbone will offer us like apps, gesture recognition and internet browsing, and the number of them is increasing, not decreasing day by day. TVs will be fine without batsuichi but the batsuichi is useless without a TV.

The ‘Console War’ is so last decade: How everyone wins with Xbox One and PlayStation 4

Hmmm i wonder why somebody is deliberately left out here! Oh heck who cares anyway . The real next-gen consoles is all that matters.

Well you know, except for mid tier developers like Mistwalker, Ganbarion and arguably Atlus, non indie games that don't sell millions and millions of copies like ZombiU and Platinum Games games, games like Monster Hunter that would cost too much to produce in those consoles, studios that end up making a single commercial miss like Junction Point, Developers at AAA studios that end up underperforming, big budget games that dare to experiment, games that are in the black but not spectacularly so like the Tales series, games in genres that don't have ultra massive appeal like Visual Novels, publishers that end up mismanaging only 2 - 3 titles etc.

Of course these things won't matter to people who just want an Xbone for Call of Doggy and fortunately there is a real next-gen console that accommodates them. Then again, I keep forgetting with whom I'm trying to reason with.

Crytek’s Ryse is exclusive To Xbox One

I think this is reserved for E3 as a live demo. Microsoft sure wasn't bluffing about those 15 exclusives. This is surely one of them and it looks pretty classy to me.
Cryengine 3 is going to shine in next gen consoles.

*news.cheatcc.com/articles/390952#.UZ3DlrVTB4o

I'm not sure I'd want to play a game made by a developer who said that graphics is 60% of the game. Look at all the "exclusives" we got at the Xbone reveal. I won't be shocked if they end up being simple game modes or DLC, or even timed exclusives of such. They have called timed exclusive DLC for the Xbox 360 "exclusives" so I wouldn't expect any different this time around.

The last good game Crytek made was when? 2008 I think.

 

[vickybat]

Yeah but then you wont be able to play other games on you xb .... I am also not sure if your xbox account will be tied up to your xbox alone, someone please confirm..

I feel the XBOX one is a good entertainment device for the living room like the Wii and will fill in the next gen Family console gap left by Wii... However I feel (and I wish to be proved wrong) it is harmfull for core gaming unlike Wii.
Wii helped the industry by making gaming a family thing and a hip thing, till then gamers were almost outcasts and gaming was seen as a vice like smoking or drinking. Now when more people are getting into gaming, why does M$ want to get people more interested in TV, when its obviously a competitor.
The XBOX one by making TV more important and interactive may prove harmfull for gaming industry, since the Halo, NHL stuff etc may draw people away from gaming.
The so called voice control and gesture control shenanigans are already being provided by the smart tvs and they are only going to get better, so I dont understand why would anyone want to buy a XBOX one for the feature. Also since PS4 seems to be concentrating on the hardcore games with the tie-ups with AAA and Indie games, why would anyone spend more on xbone when they get better hardware and more and different types of games with a PS4
Instead of blowing stuff on these, if M$ had invested in better casual games...which whole family can play or indie games (as they did for xbox 360) or better hardware... it would have taken the gaming boom to the next level.
However I am glad that Sony, which was arrogant like hell in the past has come around and taken care of some of the things like Indie and Hardcore games etc.
I think XBOX and Wii U will be fighting for the Wii's Family/casual market this time, where as the PS4 will be taking over the market of 360 and ps3.
I wish Nintendo and Xbone wont suffer huge losses, but learn a good lesson (Like sony)... so they can come back strongly next time

You are missing the big point here buddy. Just because microsoft focused on the home theater aspects of Xboxone during the reveal, does not mean they are shying away from games.
Don't miss the fact that xboxone still has the same underlying architecture as ps4 and all development strategies hold same as in sony's console.

Its actually foolish to compare wii-u and xbox one. The latter is still the one third party developers will love to develop on, side by side with ps4. Wii-u is not even in this territory.
The xbox one is still HSA and will definitely find plenty of developers. Drawing conclusion like that in just one reveal doesn't prove anything.

Just wait for E3 mate to find out what kind of games are in store. Also read anandtech's article on xbox one's hypervisor. Its really unique with dynamic switching between two OS.
This console definitely has future just like the PS4. Nintendo just doesn't fit in the same boat and i don't know when it will learn its lesson.

 

[heidi2521]

Xbox One will still sell like hell in the US of A
In other places? Not so well
In India & Japan? not at all

You can add France, Germany and Belgium to the list of places where it won't sell much. Those markets have shifted heavily in favour of handhelds and Microsoft has never been strong there. Right now a "soon to be doomed" company has ~50% of the hardware market share over there and their titles regularly top charts for weeks in a row. France and Germany are also the biggest markets for a certain ultra hardcore Capcom series outside of Japan whose brand is managed by the aforementioned "soon to be doomed" company in Europe and Oceania. The performance of a struggling console over there has been mediocre with titles on that console charting for weeks in a row. Scandinavia is absolute Sony territory with some major incursions made by a (portable) console by a "soon to be doomed" company.

Yeah but then you wont be able to play other games on you xb .... I am also not sure if your xbox account will be tied up to your xbox alone, someone please confirm..

I feel the XBOX one is a good entertainment device for the living room like the Wii and will fill in the next gen Family console gap left by Wii... However I feel (and I wish to be proved wrong) it is harmfull for core gaming unlike Wii.
Wii helped the industry by making gaming a family thing and a hip thing, till then gamers were almost outcasts and gaming was seen as a vice like smoking or drinking. Now when more people are getting into gaming, why does M$ want to get people more interested in TV, when its obviously a competitor.
The XBOX one by making TV more important and interactive may prove harmfull for gaming industry, since the Halo, NHL stuff etc may draw people away from gaming.
The so called voice control and gesture control shenanigans are already being provided by the smart tvs and they are only going to get better, so I dont understand why would anyone want to buy a XBOX one for the feature. Also since PS4 seems to be concentrating on the hardcore games with the tie-ups with AAA and Indie games, why would anyone spend more on xbone when they get better hardware and more and different types of games with a PS4
Instead of blowing stuff on these, if M$ had invested in better casual games...which whole family can play or indie games (as they did for xbox 360) or better hardware... it would have taken the gaming boom to the next level.
However I am glad that Sony, which was arrogant like hell in the past has come around and taken care of some of the things like Indie and Hardcore games etc.
I think XBOX and Wii U will be fighting for the Wii's Family/casual market this time, where as the PS4 will be taking over the market of 360 and ps3.
I wish Nintendo and Xbone wont suffer huge losses, but learn a good lesson (Like sony)... so they can come back strongly next time

I don't think that Nintendo is focusing on casual audiences this time around. They wouldn't have secured partnerships with Platinum, Capcom, Atlus & Namco and gotten exclusives like Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, Monster Hunter, Bayonetta 2, they wouldn't have given titles like Monolith Soft's X so much attention and treated titles like Smash as one of the major games on the console and developed it with members of the Tekken, Gundam & Tales teams, asked Ubisoft to change "Killer Freaks from Outer Space" to something more hardcore, blocked Harada from making Tekken Tag Tournament easier/casualized in the Wii U port etc. if they were really focused on them.


Frankly, if ZombiU and MH3U do better on your console than Black Ops II you are anything but casual.

Right now if you read the financial statement, the Wii U is profitable per unit sold but hasn't turned a profit overall because of R&D and unsold units.

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[cyborg47]

again...american marketing

Most of us tuned in to the Xbox One reveal on Tuesday night. Being a live conference, anything can go wrong. So it's almost acceptable that 90% of the voice commands during the Xbox One reveal weren't performed based on what what Yusuf Mehdi was saying. Look at the IGN video below (skip to 1:39:00 or click here) and notice that anytime Yusuf begins talking about an Xbox One voice command, his left hand automatically goes into his pocket, presumably to press a clicker to proceed to a new slide or something similar (unless he's playing one-handed ping-pong if you know what I mean).

source : FYI, The Xbox One Voice Commands Weren't in Real-time


EDIT - Wait for E3 for real commands
and no wonder how much they're going to fake over there

 

[heidi2521]

again...american marketing




source : FYI, The Xbox One Voice Commands Weren't in Real-time


EDIT - Wait for E3 for real commands
and no wonder how much they're going to fake over there

Well, the commands were real enough to screw with people watching the stream on their Xboxes

 

[cyborg47]

*oi40.tinypic.com/5mfm1y.jpg

 

[heidi2521]

Quite apt for what the third Xbox appears to be tryting to do:

*i.imgur.com/c9Ups.gif

Anybody have the data on how many set top boxes actually support CEC and the chances that Microsoft will write interfaces for all the different APIs out there and adequately test it and try and eliminate corner cases for all of them?

Also, It would be great if someone explained the logic behind the official name of the Batsuichi. For something that calls itself "One" it seems to need extra components to get all its functionality.

The hardcore gamer is Arnold Schwarzenegger here

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[RCuber]

lol this is not the pix thread..

@Mods.. lock this thread till these kids cool down a little.

 

[Bhargav Simha]

You are missing the big point here buddy. Just because microsoft focused on the home theater aspects of Xboxone during the reveal, does not mean they are shying away from games.
Don't miss the fact that xboxone still has the same underlying architecture as ps4 and all development strategies hold same as in sony's console.

Its actually foolish to compare wii-u and xbox one. The latter is still the one third party developers will love to develop on, side by side with ps4. Wii-u is not even in this territory.
The xbox one is still HSA and will definitely find plenty of developers. Drawing conclusion like that in just one reveal doesn't prove anything.

Just wait for E3 mate to find out what kind of games are in store. Also read anandtech's article on xbox one's hypervisor. Its really unique with dynamic switching between two OS.
This console definitely has future just like the PS4. Nintendo just doesn't fit in the same boat and i don't know when it will learn its lesson.

You got me little wrong here, I never said that Xbox is shying away from games.. I only said PS4 is better VFM since its speculated that it would cost less (especially due to the kinect).....Same architechture and even slighlty since it XBone is said to be using only 5gb for games and has 3 gb reserved for os, where as PS4 is "rumoured" to be utilizing all 8gb that too DDR5. I am not an expert in architecthure, but as a layman I feel more available ram, less cost etc and access to indie games and rumoured free PSN network all make PS4 a better option for hardcore gamers.

Also I would never think of comparing Wii U to Xbox, but since the hardcore will opt for PS4 over xbox.. The only people left is the casual and family games market, which is vital for the Gaming industry to grow too, in which Wii had ruled the roost with its innovation. Casual market does not mean childrens games only, it has hardcore games too... so I said both Wii u and Xbox will be competing for the Family living room...
And yeah I may be wrong... its just a pre launch speculation based on what I have seen.
E3 will be where all doubts will be put to rest... hopefully.

 

[heidi2521]

The future of MLG.

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The Future of MLG : gaming

I don't really mind this feature.

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[Cilus]

Theoritically PS4 is actually powerful than XBOX due to the following reason:-

1. Better GPU: 1154 Stream Processors compared to 768 of XBOX
2. GDDR5 Memory: PS4 has a memory bandwidth of 170 GBps whereas XBOX' 2133 MHz DDR3 ram can provide maximum of 68.7 GBps of bandwidth. Although use of 32 MB sRAM chip as cahce might help XBox to gain some more effective bandwidth, it also needs careful programming to make the applications taking advantage of it.

 

[heidi2521]

You are missing the big point here buddy. Just because microsoft focused on the home theater aspects of Xboxone during the reveal, does not mean they are shying away from games.
Don't miss the fact that xboxone still has the same underlying architecture as ps4 and all development strategies hold same as in sony's console.

Its actually foolish to compare wii-u and xbox one. The latter is still the one third party developers will love to develop on, side by side with ps4. Wii-u is not even in this territory.
The xbox one is still HSA and will definitely find plenty of developers. Drawing conclusion like that in just one reveal doesn't prove anything.

Just wait for E3 mate to find out what kind of games are in store. Also read anandtech's article on xbox one's hypervisor. Its really unique with dynamic switching between two OS.
This console definitely has future just like the PS4. Nintendo just doesn't fit in the same boat and i don't know when it will learn its lesson.

Except for Namco, Sega, Warner, 5th Cell, Shin'en Multimedia, Frozenbyte, Ganbarion, Atlus, Ubisoft, Activision, Capcom, Two Tribes, Platinum Games, Mistwalker according to rumors, Wayforward, Disney, Tecmo Koei, Travellers Tales, 505 games, now even EA etc.

*i.imgur.com/5fzO486.jpg

 

[darkv0id]

Microsoft: 'If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards'

I cannot even begin to imagine how much this will offend core gamers. It shows the kind of condescending attitude they have towards their consumers.

I mean, the Wii U has backwards compatibility- great. The PS4 does not, but they took their time to explain it was because of the vastly different architecture, and went on to say they would at least try backwards compatibility via Gaikai.

Microsoft too could have simply apologized, and explained the hardware differences. Instead they choose to spew out such insulting B$. I'm not buying any of the next gen consoles, but this sort of attitude brings bad reputation to the company.

 

[heidi2521]

The Technology Behind Xbox One | LinkedIn

Both the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 have adopted electronics and an integrated systems-on-a -chip (soc) architecture that unleashes magnitudes more compute and graphics power than the current generation of consoles. These architectures are a generation ahead of the highest end PC on the market and their unique design of the hardware, the underlying operating system and the live service layer create one of the most compelling platforms to reimagine game mechanics.

Dear EA: We already know that you are full of [redacted]. Stop trying to prove it again and again.

Our benchmarks on just the video and audio performance are 8-10 times superior to the current gen. The compute capabilities of these platforms and the data transfer speeds we can now bank on, essentially removes any notion of rationing of systems resources for our game engines

WOOO! 8GB GDDR5!!! [REDACTED] EFFICIENCY AND OPTIMIZATION.

I wonder where they develop the games if the consoles themselves are a generation ahead. Unless M$ony have created a method that has eliminated the need of workstations/PCs while development I see no way of this being true.

Microsoft: 'If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards'

I cannot even begin to imagine how much this will offend core gamers. It shows the kind of condescending attitude they have towards their consumers.

I mean, the Wii U has backwards compatibility- great. The PS4 does not, but they took their time to explain it was because of the vastly different architecture, and went on to say they would at least try backwards compatibility via Gaikai.

Microsoft too could have simply apologized, and explained the hardware differences. Instead they choose to spew out such insulting B$. I'm not buying any of the next gen consoles, but this sort of attitude brings bad reputation to the company.

You're late with that news

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/consoles/...ion-ps4-n-xbox-onen-wii-u-21.html#post1909405