Next Gen Console discussion ( PS4 'n Xbox One'n Wii U )

[CommanderShawnzer]

Sony, Microsoft going 'heavily' on free-to-play next-gen, says Epic VP Rein

These heavyweights are going in the right direction unlike the moron i.e Nintendo.

Watch Dogs: how the Xbox 360 and next gen Xbox versions differ

There will be graphical differences but core game play will remain the same. This is some relief to the wii-u as its gonna perform just like ps3/xbox360.

I hope "heavily" does not turn into "Fully".Because there is nothing Free in F2P its more like Pay-to-Win

 

[vickybat]

Sony Planning to Not Lose Money with New PlayStation 4

If i remember correctly, some kid was claiming a "$100 loss" and stuff like"journalism isn't paragon of integrity" kinda stuff.
Posting bull$hit doesn't make paragon of anything actually, let alone integrity.

 

[heidi2521]

lol.. all that Wii has are Mario, Pokemon, Spongebob, Naruto, Rayman and a bunch of fitness workouts and such. how can those even fill 50GB ?

GTA deserves the 98/100 considering the story, replayability and the sheer monstrosity of the game... and i didnt even mention the fun factor.

COD is sheer FPS delight, though the graphics lacks a lot.

and did i mention Red Dead Redemption??

And what about PS3's Journey, the current GOTY??

You say game journalism/reviewing is hardly the paragon of integrity.. you seem to know what you are doing [] maybe you should tell us where each of the games that you mentioned as $hit lacks in..

Another genius.

Here's a list of Wii games.

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_Games

You may notice that most of the games do not fit the criteria you have mentioned.

First off, I didn't say GTA IV was crap. I implied that the game didn't deserve 98/100.

GTA 4 was a step down from San Andreas & Vice City in many ways. The story conflicted with the gameplay, the controls were very clunky, the city was drab and bland and barring a few easter eggs, exploration was unrewarding, it had low replay value, way too much padding and filler content, the missions were less dynamic than the previous entry with too many scripted events, the pacing was horrible, the mission variety was low, the sandbox didn't allow for nearly as much freedom as the previous entries, etc. The main game itself too no advantage of the new things the game brought to the table i.e. the physics engine.

In COD: Fleecing, Elite, Killstreaks, Ranks, poor map design and spawn points, lack of any meaningful change from the previous entry, weapons have no feeling of power, knifing, no emphasis on movement, regenerating health, no recoil or muzzle flash, way too much "Bloody screen so real", too much emphasis on the individual, no rewards for team play, gameplay fundamentally designed to encourage screwing your team mates over to get cheap shots, no penalty for death etc.

RDR OTOH was a much better game. Brilliant environments, sound design, well controlling, interesting characters and setting, rewarding exploration, well paced etc. The only major problem with the game was the dissonance between the story, motivations and actions.

Journey, although not a bad game by any measure, simply did not interest me. Plus, considering that every game publication and its cat gives out GOTYs, they aren't really all that special.

I'm gonna need a citation on MGS being the "the Most Technically Perfect game in the History of gaming".

I hope "heavily" does not turn into "Fully".Because there is nothing Free in F2P its more like Pay-to-Win

Mmm... quite. I'd rather have fully featured experiences I pay for upfront rather than a broken experience I get into for free and am nickeled and dimed throughout. Eg. MH3U is much better than the upcoming F2P china only MH:O.

Just imagine how broken a game like Max Payne 3 would be if it was F2P. Pay $0.99 for a non gimped gun. Pay $5 for 50 lives, pay $2 to clear this area without any effort, pay $0.99 to get shields/armour etc.

 

[anirbandd]

Guns of the Patriots received widespread critical acclaim, garnering perfect reviews and Game of the Year awards from several major gaming publications, including GameSpot, which claimed that the game is "technically flawless".

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_4:_Guns_of_the_Patriots

GameSpot gave it a 10/10 saying "Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made,"

same..

 

[heidi2521]

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_4:_Guns_of_the_Patriots



same..

If you check the citation for the statement in Wikipedia it just leads to the Metacritic page. The gamespot review itself doesn't claim that it is "technically flawless" anywhere.

Let me point out that "stunning" != "flawless".

 

[darkv0id]

If you check the citation for the statement in Wikipedia it just leads to the Metacritic page. The gamespot review itself doesn't claim that it is "technically flawless" anywhere.

Let me point out that "stunning" != "flawless".

This.

@ anirbandd I think you know that proclaiming that "X" game is the most perfect leads to nothing but a flame war. Yes, for someone who likes cinematic stealth with a solid story, MGS4 may be technically flawless. But someone who loves strategy games may find XCOM:UFO Defense to be technically flawless. Someone who plays games purely for the story will find Planescape: Torment to be technically flawless. Someone who wants hardcore, teamwork-based shooter will find CS 1.6 to be flawless.

"Flawless" is subjective. To each his own.

 

[vickybat]

Guy please stay on topic. This is a next-gen console discussion thread and not about "which game is better", especially current-gen games.

Ok back to topic:

How 4K Resolution Gaming Looks – Is It Really Worth It?

Looks like games are heading in the 4k direction. It looks like PS4 does have the ability to output at 4k resolutions, although games will be natively 1080p.
As said in the article, the differences are going to be noticeable if more no. of pixels are shown stretched out on a large screen tv. Lots of next gen titles like witcher 3, cyberpunk2077, and others seem to be heading in the 4k direction. Only the ultra hd tv prices has to come down, to make 4k gaming more mainstream.

Insomniac CEO Comments on Wii U, PS4, Xbox 720

For starters, let me clear the fact that insomniac games aren't a First party developers for sony but are independent. They decided to work with sony on the resistance series which was immensely popular.
With the release of FUSE, its clear that they also develop on multiplatforms.

They seem to be having quite ambitious plans for next-gen development and are quite impressed with the PS4 and hope the next xbox to be equally impressive too. But they do not have same feelings for the wii-u. According to them, wii-u is current gen and i happen to agree with them along with thousands of gamers and journalists.

Spoiler

“Wii-U is something I'd consider more current gen - but we're not working on games for it,” Price wrote. “When it comes to PS4 I'm excited that they seem to be lowering barriers for independent developers. It's cool to see almost weekly announcements from Sony explaining how they're opening things up for indies. And of course I'm very excited to see what Microsoft announces soon.”

Watch Dogs creative director on PS4: “The strategies used by Sony are very smart”

Sony may have nailed it this time with the developers. I'm yet to hear a single negative comment about development on PS4 from any developer out there.
This thing just might have the potential to outdo the legendary PS2 which is the most successful home console of all time.

Check some ps4 screenies of watchdogs:

Watch Dog PS4 screens - see the next-gen future of open world games | PS3 Previews, PS4 Games | Official PlayStation Magazine

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

Guy please stay on topic. This is a next-gen console discussion thread and not about "which game is better", especially current-gen games.

Ok back to topic:

How 4K Resolution Gaming Looks – Is It Really Worth It?

Looks like games are heading in the 4k direction. It looks like PS4 does have the ability to output at 4k resolutions, although games will be natively 1080p.
As said in the article, the differences are going to be noticeable if more no. of pixels are shown stretched out on a large screen tv. Lots of next gen titles like witcher 3, cyberpunk2077, and others seem to be heading in the 4k direction. Only the ultra hd tv prices has to come down, to make 4k gaming more mainstream.

Spoiler

Insomniac CEO Comments on Wii U, PS4, Xbox 720

For starters, let me clear the fact that insomniac games aren't a First party developers for sony but are independent. They decided to work with sony on the resistance series which was immensely popular.
With the release of FUSE, its clear that they also develop on multiplatforms.

They seem to be having quite ambitious plans for next-gen development and are quite impressed with the PS4 and hope the next xbox to be equally impressive too. But they do not have same feelings for the wii-u. According to them, wii-u is current gen and i happen to agree with them along with thousands of gamers and journalists.


Watch Dogs creative director on PS4: “The strategies used by Sony are very smart”

Sony may have nailed it this time with the developers. I'm yet to hear a single negative comment about development on PS4 from any developer out there.
This thing just might have the potential to outdo the legendary PS2 which is the most successful home console of all time.

Check some ps4 screenies of watchdogs:

Watch Dog PS4 screens - see the next-gen future of open world games | PS3 Previews, PS4 Games | Official PlayStation Magazine

Phew.I thought sony has gone mad to not go with the "4K HD Gaming" band-wagon.

 

[vickybat]

Pachter: Nintendo “just doesn’t get it” with the Wii U

Its an old article but starting to make sense now. How many of you agree with Mr. Pachter here??

Spoiler

“Nintendo is partying like it’s 1985. Their strategy is ‘We got lucky with the Wii, so if we just try something different, we’ll get lucky again. In their vocabulary, the word ‘lucky’ doesn’t exist-substitute ‘brilliant.’ Unfortunately I don’t think it [the Wii U] looks brilliant.”

Rumor: April update increased Wii U CPU & GPU speed


Whoever spread this rumor has to be an otaku for sure. Faster loading times and snappier UI doesn't account for increased clockspeeds.

 

[darkv0id]

Guy please stay on topic. This is a next-gen console discussion thread and not about "which game is better", especially current-gen games.

@Vicky
Oh please. We both know that this thread is not a next-gen console "discussion", but rather a "lets bash Nintendo" free-for-all and a PS4 and NextBox circlejerk. You and a few other keep posting articles about how Nintendo is over and out, and how the NextBox and PS4 are God's gift to gaming; and extremegamer and dead5 try their best to defend Nintendo.

Some developers are ambivalent/optimistic about the Wii, and many people are actively criticizing the rumored features of the NextBox. I never see such articles being posted. And I am sick of people who think that playing games like Mario or Zelda somehow makes one immature, and how they somehow intellectually superior because they play "mature" games like CoD or GoW. Make no mistake, this thread is not a discussion, just another Console war.

Did Nintendo make a mistake with the WiiU? Yes. Are many AAA studios deserting the console? Yes.

Does this mean that Wii U and Nintendo are done for? No, no and no.

People have been predicting Nintendo's downfall since the last 3 generations. Fact is neither you nor me know what cards Nintendo has up it's sleeve. So I suggest you drop the pretentious display of impartiality, because you, sir, are a fanboy, and nothing more.

EDIT: And before you accuse me of being a Nintendo fanboy, let me tell you: the only gaming system I have owned is a PC.

And that Pachter fellow is an industry-wide joke.

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

@vickybat:dude have you heard about the "Pachter Theory"?
which says

When Micheal Pachter says something will happen,the exact opposite happens

@Dark0Void : Awesome answer

 

[heidi2521]

Meanwhile at companies actually trying:

*www.segasammy.co.jp/english/pdf/release/tanshin_hosoku_20130510_e_final.pdf

Sega bringing 7 titles to the Wii U this year. Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed becomes a smash hit on the Wii U with more than 23% of its sales coming from that platform. (It came out on PC, PS3, X360, 3DS, Vita, Wii U).

At the other corner:

igTedPrice comments on Hi I'm Ted Price, founder and CEO of Insomniac Games - creators of Fuse. Ask me anything!

Ted Price implies that Nintendo released 2 home consoles in a single generation, i.e. The GameCube & Wii, and (hw & sw included) was the most successful (home) console maker in the 6th gen. (This is presuming that his comments have nothing to with the ultra close relation they have with Sony due to the long time they spent as a second party and the fact that their current publisher is EA, that they have no hard feelings over Miyamoto's comments, or the fact that they have never even tried to be on a Nintendo console).

The DeanBeat: Why Nintendo should have bought Ouya and other might-have-beens | GamesBeat

Dean Gordon says that you have no reason to buy "a Nintendo" if you have a tablet and Sony “is starting to look like the new Sega of the game business".

Rumour: The Recent Wii U System Update Has Boosted Clock Speeds - Wii U News @ Nintendo Life

Sourced at TV Tropes. Seems legit.

 

[vickybat]

@darkvoid

Of course i'm a sony fanboy and there's nothing wrong on being one. At least i'm not a mindless fanboy.
Been using consoles since 1992 ( my first console was an atari 2600). Using sony consoles since 1998. I have wonderful memories of my nes and used my friend's snes too for quite a while.
Used a wii for a year and that made me think otherwise on Nintendo consoles. Their current approach deserves to be bashed and no wonder, its happening everywhere.

Btw, this thread is about next-gen consoles only. So please refrain from posting off-topic. If you want anything to say, say it in the context of this thread i.e next gen consoles.

@vickybat:dude have you heard about the "Pachter Theory"?
which says

I don't seem to see the opposite happening. Do you?

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

I don't seem to see the opposite happening. Do you?

It will happen.Soon.Don't worry

 

[vickybat]

The DeanBeat: Why Nintendo should have bought Ouya and other might-have-beens | GamesBeat

Dean Gordon says that you have no reason to buy "a Nintendo" if you have a tablet and Sony “is starting to look like the new Sega of the game business".

This article just got the title of "The most hilarious article of all time". This guy has no clue what's he saying.
The comments in that page, says it all.

It will happen.Soon.Don't worry

What will happen?

One of the best comments:

From a developer standpoint a generation has always been defined by the ability of the hardware. The Wii missed out on most everything last gen because it was not technically capable of running the same games. The Wii U is in the same spot, except worse. The Wii U has sold less than 400,000 consoles in 2013, it has no install base, no consumer interest, and is based on ancient hardware that would require developers to make a special effort to create games. You can claim whatever you want based on semantics but to a developer the Wii U is a failed console in the same generation as PS3 and 360, it does not compare with the PS4 or Durango in anyway. Games made for PS4 and Durango would not run on Wii U. For all intents and purposes Wii U is not a next-gen box.

 

[heidi2521]

@Vicky
Oh please. We both know that this thread is not a next-gen console "discussion", but rather a "lets bash Nintendo" free-for-all and a PS4 and NextBox circlejerk. You and a few other keep posting articles about how Nintendo is over and out, and how the NextBox and PS4 are God's gift to gaming; and extremegamer and dead5 try their best to defend Nintendo.

Some developers are ambivalent/optimistic about the Wii, and many people are actively criticizing the rumored features of the NextBox. I never see such articles being posted. And I am sick of people who think that playing games like Mario or Zelda somehow makes one immature, and how they somehow intellectually superior because they play "mature" games like CoD or GoW. Make no mistake, this thread is not a discussion, just another Console war.

Did Nintendo make a mistake with the WiiU? Yes. Are many AAA studios deserting the console? Yes.

Does this mean that Wii U and Nintendo are done for? No, no and no.

People have been predicting Nintendo's downfall since the last 3 generations. Fact is neither you nor me know what cards Nintendo has up it's sleeve. So I suggest you drop the pretentious display of impartiality, because you, sir, are a fanboy, and nothing more.

EDIT: And before you accuse me of being a Nintendo fanboy, let me tell you: the only gaming system I have owned is a PC.

And that Pachter fellow is an industry-wide joke.

Yup. Capcom, Sega & Ubisoft have been positive about the Wii U in their reports while ActiBlizz maintained a more neutral stance.

Nintendo made multiple mistakes with the Wii U but now they are trying their best to fix it. Some things like botched launch, branding and an early reveal cannot be fixed so they are planning a soft relaunch of sorts starting from August as indicated in their financial report. Lets not ignore Iwata's statement that they have many more unannounced games coming at the end of the year.

Most of the AAA studios that were on the console are still on it. Others never have been on Nintendo consoles since the N64, even if the the hardware was more than up to the task. The only significant departure I can think of would be EA.

Frankly, saying Nintendo is done for and the Wii U will meet the same fate as the DreamCast makes as much sense saying Sony is done for and the Vita will meet the same fate as the Nomad.

Here's what Hirai has to say about gaming platforms:

A game platform, [...] – the software is the key to success, how good the software is

@CommanderShawnzer: I believe the proper term is "the reverse Pachterdaumus".

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

1.This article just got the title of "The most hilarious article of all time". This guy has no clue what's he saying.
The comments in that page, says it all.



2.What will happen?

One of the best comments:

1.Mobile/Tab Fanboys.The most Evil scourge that unites all PC and Console Fanboys
2.Well,Wii-U will become un-sucky and sell lots of units

 

[Extreme Gamer]

@Vicky
Oh please. We both know that this thread is not a next-gen console "discussion", but rather a "lets bash Nintendo" free-for-all and a PS4 and NextBox circlejerk. You and a few other keep posting articles about how Nintendo is over and out, and how the NextBox and PS4 are God's gift to gaming; and extremegamer and dead5 try their best to defend Nintendo.

Some developers are ambivalent/optimistic about the Wii, and many people are actively criticizing the rumored features of the NextBox. I never see such articles being posted. And I am sick of people who think that playing games like Mario or Zelda somehow makes one immature, and how they somehow intellectually superior because they play "mature" games like CoD or GoW. Make no mistake, this thread is not a discussion, just another Console war.

Did Nintendo make a mistake with the WiiU? Yes. Are many AAA studios deserting the console? Yes.

Does this mean that Wii U and Nintendo are done for? No, no and no.

People have been predicting Nintendo's downfall since the last 3 generations. Fact is neither you nor me know what cards Nintendo has up it's sleeve. So I suggest you drop the pretentious display of impartiality, because you, sir, are a fanboy, and nothing more.

EDIT: And before you accuse me of being a Nintendo fanboy, let me tell you: the only gaming system I have owned is a PC.

And that Pachter fellow is an industry-wide joke.

Thanks mate, you said it better than I could. I got bored arguing with such geniuses so I didn't bother posting, but couldn't help it when I got mentioned

@darkvoid

Of course i'm a sony fanboy and there's nothing wrong on being one. At least i'm not a mindless fanboy.
Been using consoles since 1992 ( my first console was an atari 2600). Using sony consoles since 1998. I have wonderful memories of my nes and used my friend's snes too for quite a while.
Used a wii for a year and that made me think otherwise on Nintendo consoles. Their current approach deserves to be bashed and no wonder, its happening everywhere.

Btw, this thread is about next-gen consoles only. So please refrain from posting off-topic. If you want anything to say, say it in the context of this thread i.e next gen consoles.



I don't seem to see the opposite happening. Do you?

If you call yourself a mindful-fanboy, you would not be blinded by your hatred for Nintendo. Even I don't like their consoles Wii onwards, but that doesn't mean they're bad. The DSi was their last device that I liked.

Why don't you just admit that this is Nintendo-bashing under the guise of "next-gen discussion". How does "not making a major loss" become "making a profit btw"? Emphasis on major in "major loss". All it means is that they wont be making a significant loss, not that they wont be making a loss at all.

You should bother opening IT history books to see that Pachter once said the Wii U would dominate. Turns out it's not. And now he says its doomed. So it will do well?

And no point replying to dead5. Chances are he won't read your post- you're in his ignore list.

I'm no Nintendo fan, let alone fanboy, but I just can't stand the sheer ignorance some people, including you, are showing in your posts. When the argument is not going according to your plan, you try and divert attention. When people respond to your diversion to prove that the diversions are unfruitful, you say "please stay on topic".

I'm so bored arguing with geniuses who don't understand anything, or rather don't want to understand anything, that I'll leave this post here and not bother replying to these geniuses.

 

[vickybat]

1.Mobile/Tab Fanboys.The most Evil scourge that unites all PC and Console Fanboys

Exactly.

2.Well,Wii-U will become un-sucky and sell lots of units

Honestly mate, i don't have a personal grudge on Nintendo or something. Their current approach is flawed including their decisions.
Those mobiles and tablets are in some way responsible for Nintendo's current state and their non- support of independent developers.

Check the following comment by cliffyB:

The Engadget Interview: Cliff Bleszinski on next-gen gaming, Oculus Rift and the always-on console

Q You have notoriously loved Nintendo, and the classic Nintendo titles, but you've never developed anything for Nintendo.

Ans- They never called. Plain and simple.

The guy is an ardent fan of nintendo and although how impressive developer epic is ( creator of unreal engine), they were never given a chance to develop for nintendo.
Nintendo seems to live in their own world and utilize the same strategy over and over again. These are clear indications of their downfall. Simply not getting support.

It will be good if they avoid the impending doom and their console is a success. But i don't see it happening.

 

[Extreme Gamer]

Few publishers actually beg developers to make games on certain consoles, and the console makers rarely call up third-party devs. Epic, despite being around for so long, has barely released any games very noticable on the radar. Their most recognized games are only the Unreal series and the Gears of War series, and the upcoming Fortnite, which post-announcement, they haven't really shown off. They're more focused on developing their engines, and licensing is probably their biggest source of income in the years that they don't release a high-profile game on the major platforms.

Nintendo probably wants Epic to take the initiative on its own.

IF Epic really wanted to develop games on Nintendo platforms, instead of such showmanship and false-fandom, they would have talked to Nintendo directly. Nintendo, or any platform maker for that matter won't close its doors to developers. And they even have applications for developers to sign up. I don't thing Epic would not be noticed.