Re: A Vista kill switch would be good for Linux?????????
blackpearl said:
The problem with linux users are they are very poorly informed about Windows. Yes, they are carrying on a totally wrong belief that windows is vulnerable. People just don't know how to use windows so they get BSODs and virus and all. I m running XP+SP2 with auto updates OFF, autopatcher installed till sep 2005, thats more than 1 yr old. An AV and a firewall- thats all. No anti spywares nothing. On the net, I browse around the most notoriously infected sites like cracks and hacking sites but still I have not got a single virus or spyware. Why? because I know how to use my computer.
All linux supporters are misinformed. They thing windows means BSODS, virus and spywares. Totally wrong!! Like I said, I have yet to see a BSOD on my XP machine.
Does that mean that linux users are dumb? if they get infected with viruses and spywares the moment they use XP, then it seems like it.
Totally wrong! Most users migrate to Linux after getting frustrated with windows! Dude BSODs aren't caused by users inappropriate actions alone, they are caused by lotta other reasons too like heat problems, hardware incompatibility, driver problems etc! Its a lot annoying. But linux has mor elegant ways of dealing with such things. See u urself telling how much u maintain windows! Do u need such maintainence for *nix?? U say u have AV and firewall! If thats not maintainence then what is it?? Can u tell me how much time u and ur PC spends in updating these protection softwares?? ANd then after protection is completed u need to restart again! Thats the limit!
Ofcors u can surf notorious sites. Try to surf them with natural windows without 3rd party protection softwares and then say how great is windows stability and security!
blackpearl said:
Nope, servers run linux because they are very light on system resources, can be run for days without restart and don't even need a GUI or may be even a monitor to function. I agree windows has got to improve a lot on server side, but for home computing there is nothing like windows.
Why isnt windows so light?? Why does it takes more time to load up than linux? My linux is more complete than windows (refer to my posts above to know what I'm saying)! BUt still linux loads much faster than windows. AN dhow much do u shell out from ur pocket to make windows works and make it complete with all 3rd party softwares?? Now VISTA is around, u need to spend out for hardware+software! Do u have same thing to say for Linux?? and for home computing, I suare there is nothing like Linux for me! Just 5 hrs of pain to make Linux complete and then there's life time of comfort and freedom, unlike 15 hrs of pain to make windows complete and then lifetime of misery to maintain it and face all the security problems with it!
blackpearl said:
Duh!! why give examples of PCs on a cybercafe? they are the most worst maintained PCs on the world.
So u see u urself are associating the maintainence factor with windows! I used to be a hardcore windows user and still am. I can bet that I'm far much better windows maintainer than u can ever be. But seeing linux and its performance made me switch instantly. Now I only visit windows to see if everything is working in place, so that my family has no complaints!
tarey_g said:
4 people in my family who know very little about computers, work on office, play games ,enjoy music/movies, surf internet. i am the only guy that does programming on the comp. I have two user accounts on the comp, one for me and other for everyone else , both accounts have administrative rights, i want them to learn and install whatever they want(mostly game demos, and the apps from magazine dvd's). I just told everyone to not to install if anything pops up while surfing ,so simple imo.
Thats a normal scenario in most homes. But there I can bet more than 90% of users face BSODs and malwares etc! But why do u restrict them to install softwares under ur guidance?? Why do u tell them not to install if anything pops up?? SUppose u go out for a holiday for 5 days and ur family computing as usual and installing all kinda of softwares in ur absence. Do u think the face of windows will remain as before when u come back??
Well lemme tell u I got 5 users account, all administrative ones. Everyone does activity normally without my permission! My bro downloads cracks daily and dos all kinds of activity freely, viruses and all kids of s*** keep coming thorugh USBs and emails. Once a week I scan my system thoroughly and make restore points. Only then I'm able to keep my system infection free. Using 3 main security softwares alone has plunged the windows performance.
So u see u need high system maintainence, have to be paranoid about security and stabilty so that others can use the system freely! How can u enjoy freely if u keep visitng only trusted sites with no protection softwares?? What if some best friend of urs made a site full of infection and told u its a great trusted site and full of fun?? What do u think can u visit there without protection softwares thinking that the site must be infectionless??
Antivirus,antispywares,firewalls etc......If u keep using all the third party softwares in windows to enjoy ur PC, then how can u call windows good?? Tell me if u can enjoy windows and surf freely and naturally i.e without any 3rd party security softwares. Why dont u use IE??
tarey_g said:
About the tweaking softwares , what kind of softwares are you talking about? I just use tweakui to just pesonalize my windows experience changing menu delays,adjust hover time etc etc etc many things. Is that bad?
Some new softwares get added to startup when installed , most of the softwares have option to remove themselvs from startup , or you can use msconfig to simply uncheck the ones you dont want from the list of softwares in startup. who needs a special software for that?
About firewall softwares i just use the windows default firewall nothing more than that , it works fine.
And tell me how much time do u waste in tweaking and removing startup entries and then restarting? As for windows firewalls tell me frankly, does it stops all softwares from accessing the net?? Now tell me do u have same thing and time wastage for linux??
tarey_g said:
my only point is that windows despite being contineously targeted by new malwares/viruses is doing great job by providing continuous updates to the users.
yes I Visit any site without any hindrance carefreely etc ,and i do it in windows .
Again how much time do u waste in boosting ur windows protection against such infections?? Dont say that its automatic like someone said here! Even to update it u have to do it manually or else if u make it automatically it will keep annoying u after every few days thats ur protection is low! I'm sure u have done it on manual mode, and that means manually start the updating,waste bandwidth and restarting when done! So do u like such things in windows and such time wastage??
As for those of u saying that Linux boxes get hacked more than windows! Let me ask how many windows servers actually are there so that they can get hacked and why arent so many windows servers there ?? Also its the duty of an administrator to harden up the Linux server! A default linux server comes with many open ports and various daemons opened up! U can just shut them up from command line simply, make ur own shell scripts to harden them up. See the customization?? U dont even have to use third party softwares for that! A simple shell script can be a powerful solution to all the administrators problems! So u see its upto adminitrator. Linux gives u the power to customise the system according to ur needs!
Let me give u an example. Papers and news reports recently reported Kevin Mitnick's website was hacked. But do u know that site
wasn't protected by Kevin Mitcnick himself???
tarey_g said:
Added to my list of Funny quotes
Got no more points to say??? So u started to show ur back to the facts?? I guess u acknowledge the fact now, but comments like this clearly show ur state like a kid who knows that her mom is right but still makes fun of her and talk nonsense! Comments like this clearly show ur maturity level. I humbly request u to Please make valid points instead of talking nonsense!!
I too wud like to ask why Microsoft releases so many updates that u need to install continously to decrease ur tension?? Why cant it last for even a week when its freshly released?? And then compare that with Linux.....Boot,do ur work,shutdown! No need to install 3rd party softwares to enhance security and stablity and no need to maintain and waste ur time !!!! Even without updates Linux distro can last like 10 yrs comfortably. I guess even 10 is a much less figure!
tarey_g said:
Pls read my previous posts , why Ms needs to release updates regularly and why do they need to make vista more secure, just for a second think Linux in place of windows , imagine that 90 out of 100 people use linux , corporates/home users etc all use linux , now who the hacker will target, windows? whats happening with windows now will happen with linux then. Maybe in some alternate universe linux is more popular bill gates is not so rich windows has users equal to what solaris has here , visit that dimension and maybe you will know what's happening to the most popular OS there .
Terrorists don't bomb vacant deserts they do that in trains. trains are crowded remember? So should we make trains more secure or just leave them like that(happens in India).
U see u urself saying windows is much inferior than Linux that it needs continous updates and time wastage to uphold its security. Neways if ur a hacker can u tell me how will u attack linux?? Its easy to say such things to make ur point! But there were many OSs before windows even existed. Why dont they have viruses?? As for 90% people using linux, that will really save the world of time wastages! Neways it has been 4-5 yrs when linux really started to gain popularity. We have whole lotta users in south India, from Indian metropolitans, vast parts of Europe and America. But still there's no deadly Virus fro linux. Even the ones that exist are puny ones that need execution rights to work and manual execution! Well if more than 90% of servers are on Linux than there shud have been more viruses for linux. Dont u think so??
And as for the new dimension u r haullucinating about, its actually a reality that will be there in a few years!
As for terrorists, they also bomb business areas like WTC and most business is conducted on servers based on Linux. If they wanna stop the business than its common sense that they'll target the servers! One thing more terrorists only target defenceless people. Why cant they fight the armoured military?? Why arent Linux servers so affected similarly?? For hacking I enlightened u about that above.
I'm not against windows! But u cant deny the simple fact that to use it carefreely and fully u presently need 3rd party protection softwares. If u dont and then say that u can visit any site without such protection, then I can only pity u. U'll be only telling urself that then!
As for Linux, u dont need to completely install a software to use it! U can use any software without giving the final command i.e "make install"! "Make install" is just to bring it in path! U can enjoy ur weekend freely without any tension while the rest of the people work on ur PC and keep using new softwares of their choice! Let them visit the various infection sites. Will the Linux admistrator be worried??
Well for the ease of use again, most people initially start with windows because it used be much popular and widely available! But initially all face problems even with windows, learn it gradually and learn how it works and how to use the softwares and how to install etc! It takes them about a month or so to get acquainted! But I bet if they started with Linux similarly, they'll be much more happy. Most think Linux is not best for desktop. But on contrary I think windows doesnt suite the title of best for desktop! Desktop to me means complete freedom, do whatever u want without wasting ur time and restarting the PC often and Let the others enjoy as well in ur absence! And window doesnt fullfill that. If every one was techy enough then who needed Anti-viruses?? So go ut for a week long holiday and let others use ur windows freely and then tell what u have to say!
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