Windows is !easy, Linux is !hard

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The_Devil_Himself

die blizzard die! D3?
iMav said:
hey btw 1 question which linux did tarvolds make - ubuntu; fedora; slacware; debian
he is the person behind kernel development,he oversees all the kernel develpoment.And then they give it to distro makers,of course for free.
 

a_k_s_h_a_y

Dreaming
i don't think iMav will understand terms like kernel, shell, layered software etc !

if he would then he would appriciate linux
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
a_k_s_h_a_y said:
i don't think iMav will understand terms like kernel, shell, layered software etc !
o yeah i am dumb a$$ ;) ur the smartest people on God's green earth :) and next time avoid such comments coz u dont want me to get personal :)
 

Sukhdeep Singh

Host4Cheap.org
WOW, tried to attach my pendrive on my friends with Linux and it didnt work. Seached the net and got this

*www.kingston.com/support/USBFLASHDRIVES/FAQ/faq_dti_hs_2.asp

Gave up :D...burned a DVD :p
 

kalpik

In Pursuit of "Happyness"
^^ That's not needed on ANY distro! USB drives work out of the box! Maybe some problem with your friend's box!
 
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Cyrus_the_virus

Cyrus_the_virus

Unmountable Boot Volume
Sukhdeep Singh said:
WOW, tried to attach my pendrive on my friends with Linux and it didnt work. Seached the net and got this

*www.kingston.com/support/USBFLASHDRIVES/FAQ/faq_dti_hs_2.asp

Gave up :D...burned a DVD :p
Majority of the distros come with USB support out of the Box. You're friend might have had a problem with actual USB hardware on the PC rather than the software.
 

krates

Be CoOl rAp RuLeZ !!!
Well well there is not something that linux is tough but there are some things which are really recommended for example when you install a program first of all you must have

An internet connection
Next you must be geek.
Next you must read some guides to start off
Next you start learning about terminal
Then you can install it finally

In windows

Just get a software cd
double click on the setup.exe

and done

1 Thing more why linux is behind is

In many or all schools in india are provided with windows( Not school windows :D ) which is the starting point where you must have used comp for the first time :D now understand rest things :D
 

x3060

A LOTR fan
yeah , i fully realize it now . . with out net connection , its a miniature hell :-(. . the only disto , thats working for me now is mandriva 08 , and even there am having some troubles . . well , i guess i need to get a professional support , but thats ok , thats how every one starts :). you just need the willingness to learn , thats all
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
so now every1 has started agreeing when i said that an internet is must fukat mein ro rahe the ab line pe aa gaye :lol: chalo dhire cdhire baki bhi samaj jaogey :p
 

CadCrazy

in search of myself
kushagra_krates@yahoo.com said:
example when you install a program first of all you must have

An internet connection
Next you must be geek.
Next you must read some guides to start off
Next you start learning about terminal
Then you can install it finally

In windows

Just get a software cd
double click on the setup.exe

x3060 said:
yeah , i fully realize it now . . with out net connection , its a miniature hell :-(. . the only disto , thats working for me now is mandriva 08 , and even there am having some troubles . . well , i guess i need to get a professional support , but thats ok , thats how every one starts :). you just need the willingness to learn , thats all

Why you guys are screaming that linux can't work without net connection.
visit here Offline Ubuntu Package center
adi007 has got his ubuntu working without having net connection
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
cad ur signature pretty much sums up what an experience with linux is all about *farm3.static.flickr.com/2286/2107305542_22d75ef21a_o.png
 

x3060

A LOTR fan
i am comfy with my mandriva now :) . . Ubuntu :-(. . the darn nvidia dont work on my friends machine . i dont see the drives under /mnt . but mandriva does all with ease , except nvidia :-(. am a mandriva fan now :-D. MY LIFE FOR MANDRIVA. ;-). but can anyone help me out with nvidia on mandriva ?:-(
 

krates

Be CoOl rAp RuLeZ !!!
iMav said:
cad ur signature pretty much sums up what an experience with linux is all about *farm3.static.flickr.com/2286/2107305542_22d75ef21a_o.png

^^^^^^ hehhe :D:D ^^^^^^^

And hey i am not screaming if you don't have net connection then it is the worst os you have ever expirienced i know about the packages but new users don't and it just **** . :eek:
 
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x3060

A LOTR fan
wait a min . . found the correct match now , mandriva 08 and Linux mint :) . . no net connection required . i guess its cause of my ignorance about compiling that i said net is a must . i still feel that , cause i dont know Linux :-(. one day , i hope to be friendly with it :). but anyways , its just an O.S . .
p.s - mint is great :)
 

adithyagenius

I WANT MORE FPS!!
I wanted to switch to ubuntu 7.1 and make it my main OS. Keep xp for gaming.
Following issues made it complicated or impossible:
Graphics Drivers:
1. without graphics drivers my screen is shifted left outside viewable area of CRT. Also the fan is always on and making too much noise.
2. I enable restricted drivers by downloading it from net using apt-get. But it doesn't come with the control panel.
3. I download drivers from nvidia site. But it doesnt run because x server has to be shut down.
4. I search for inittab and don't find it. I use sudo init 3 and still x server doesnt shut down. ( what happened to standard init levels of unix?)
5. I use init 1 and install drivers and enable compiz.
Compiz rocks
6. (Edit) I am adding this although this didnt happent to me yet. If the kernel gets updated, my x server will not start properly until i reinstall gfx drivers
Codecs:
1. I download non-free extras.
2. Common codecs work but many I have dont.

Music Player (WMP 11 alternative)
There is no alternative to WMP11. The best player available is amarok. It has some awesome features but it still doesnt have the full listing view which wmp has and cant play music videos and I have lots of music videos. Amarok 2 will support videos. Donno when it will be out

Fonts:
1. Even after installing msft non-free fonts , webpages, window titles and everthing doesn't look the right.
2. Sub-pixels smoothing seem to bold the text a bit. But some webpages dont look right because they were made with windows in mind.
3. Linux lacks tahoma, so i copied from xp partition.
4. Useless effort. cleartype is sorely missed.

Performance:
I find windows xp faster in certain scenarios and ubuntu in other scenarios.

Stability:
Although the OS itself is stable, the applications can crash.

torrrent:
Seriously, nothing in linux offers utorrent awesomeness.

Browsing:
1. Many important sites I visit need IE. I hate such sites.
2. Due to font issues, opera looks crappy.
3. Altough pages very close to windows, the browser lacks a lot of features which opera has. I tried using extensions to solve the issue. The plugins were of very low standards and I still miss opera.

I am not a windows fanboy. I am simply practical. I am willing to shift to ubuntu if it fixes its issues.
If anyone knows of any fixes, especially the font issues please tell me. I want webpages, toolbars and menus in opera to look just like they do in windows opera.
All these issues can only be solved if monopoly of Microsoft ends. I dont hate microsoft. But i hate the consequences of it monopoly. Its monopoly won't cease as long as crappy egoistic losers like apple are its main competitors. All the best software is made for windows because its the only OS. all webpages are made for microsoft's propriety fonts and hinting technology.
I hated ubuntu 6.06. Fedora 6 was way better. But ubuntu 6.10 has totally changed my outlook on unbuntu.
But right now windows XP is the king of quality computer usage.
 
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adithyagenius said:
I wanted to switch to ubuntu 7.1 and make it my main OS. Keep xp for gaming.
Following issues made it complicated or impossible:
Graphics Drivers:
1. without graphics drivers my screen is shifted left outside viewable area of CRT. Also the fan is always on and making too much noise.
2. I enable restricted drivers by downloading it from net using apt-get. But it doesn't come with the control panel.
3. I download drivers from nvidia site. But it doesnt run because x server has to be shut down.
4. I search for inittab and don't find it. I use sudo init 3 and still x server doesnt shut down. ( what happened to standard init levels of unix?)
5. I use init 1 and install drivers and enable compiz.
Compiz rocks
6. (Edit) I am adding this although this didnt happent to me yet. If the kernel gets updated, my x server will not start properly until i reinstall gfx drivers
Codecs:
1. I download non-free extras.
2. Common codecs work but many I have dont.

Music Player (WMP 11 alternative)
There is no alternative to WMP11. The best player available is amarok. It has some awesome features but it still doesnt have the full listing view which wmp has and cant play music videos and I have lots of music videos. Amarok 2 will support videos. Donno when it will be out

Fonts:
1. Even after installing msft non-free fonts , webpages, window titles and everthing doesn't look the right.
2. Sub-pixels smoothing seem to bold the text a bit. But some webpages dont look right because they were made with windows in mind.
3. Linux lacks tahoma, so i copied from xp partition.
4. Useless effort. cleartype is sorely missed.

Performance:
I find windows xp faster in certain scenarios and ubuntu in other scenarios.

Stability:
Although the OS itself is stable, the applications can crash.

torrrent:
Seriously, nothing in linux offers utorrent awesomeness.

Browsing:
1. Many important sites I visit need IE. I hate such sites.
2. Due to font issues, opera looks crappy.
3. Altough pages very close to windows, the browser lacks a lot of features which opera has. I tried using extensions to solve the issue. The plugins were of very low standards and I still miss opera.

I am not a windows fanboy. I am simply practical. I am willing to shift to ubuntu if it fixes its issues.
If anyone knows of any fixes, especially the font issues please tell me. I want webpages, toolbars and menus in opera to look just like they do in windows opera.
All these issues can only be solved if monopoly of Microsoft ends. I dont hate microsoft. But i hate the consequences of it monopoly. Its monopoly won't cease as long as crappy egoistic losers like apple are its main competitors. All the best software is made for windows because its the only OS. all webpages are made for microsoft's propriety fonts and hinting technology.
I hated ubuntu 6.06. Fedora 6 was way better. But ubuntu 6.10 has totally changed my outlook on unbuntu.
But right now windows XP is the king of quality computer usage.
Most of your "issues" are not issues. they are just ignorance. Ask in the OSS forum if you need answers.
 
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