Windows is !easy, Linux is !hard

[adithyagenius]

Most of your "issues" are not issues. they are just ignorance. Ask in the OSS forum if you need answers.

I did all the asking and searching. I never did this much asking and searching for anything else ever. I have also been checking this every 6 months and I see improvement in other areas but some areas cannot improve because linux is linux. It will take a looot of time. Tell me how a free linux can be supported by all websites, software, codecs etc etc when linux is small percentage of users. Tell me WMP11 alternative, tell me k-lite mega codec pack alternative and utorrent alternative. Beofre mentioning the software, remember if its as fast, has as many features and supports as many codecs etc. How do I get cleartype and windows like font hinting to see the webpages the way they are meant to be seen. Obviously installing drivers in windows is easier than linux if they exist in the first case. internet connection wizard easier than pppoe-conf. In certain situations (resuming from hibernate), windows task scheduler better than linux at. Windows is easier because, I can troubleshoot any problem i get, completely customise it to my use and i dont know DOS, and any of the scripting languages. I know shell programming and lots of bash shell commands. I still find it difficult. I have also done linux 6 months course in my college and I was in top 5 of 300 students by the end of the semester and scored full in practical exams. I still find it very difficult (take long time to search, understand and implement) to customise various things.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

I did all the asking and searching. I never did this much asking and searching for anything else ever. I have also been checking this every 6 months and I see improvement in other areas but some areas cannot improve because linux is linux. It will take a looot of time. Tell me how a free linux can be supported by all websites, software, codecs etc etc when linux is small percentage of users. Tell me WMP11 alternative, tell me k-lite mega codec pack alternative and utorrent alternative. Beofre mentioning the software, remember if its as fast, has as many features and supports as many codecs etc. How do I get cleartype and windows like font hinting to see the webpages the way they are meant to be seen. Obviously installing drivers in windows is easier than linux if they exist in the first case. internet connection wizard easier than pppoe-conf. In certain situations (resuming from hibernate), windows task scheduler better than linux at. Windows is easier because, I can troubleshoot any problem i get, completely customise it to my use and i dont know DOS, and any of the scripting languages. I know shell programming and lots of bash shell commands. I still find it difficult. I have also done linux 6 months course in my college and I was in top 5 of 300 students by the end of the semester and scored full in practical exams. I still find it very difficult (take long time to search, understand and implement) to customise various things.

Easier to do this in Windows.. .easier to do that in windows.. blah.. blah.. blah.. blah..

If you have forgotten what you said, then please repeat after me:

1) People have unique requirements, learning curve, time to spend learning and customising, money etc for their software.
2) The software that I use is not the best for every individual in the universe.
3) Forcing my software choice upon people with ridiculous bandwagonism and fanboying is immature.This is only going to make people hate my software and make me look ridiculous. This might also force people to avoid conversing with me.

PWNED!! *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/19.gif

 

[adithyagenius]

Easier to do this in Windows.. .easier to do that in windows.. blah.. blah.. blah.. blah..

If you have forgotten what you said, then please repeat after me:



PWNED!! *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/19.gif

How is that pwned. You are supporting me. The threads purpose is to pwn windows saying linux is easier. I am giving the best example where windows is better, me.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

How is that pwned. You are supporting me. The threads purpose is to pwn windows saying linux is easier. I am giving the best example where windows is better, me.

Listen buddy, you didn't learn windows in a day, It would have taken you atleast 5 years using windows to use it like you are using it today, so using Linux for few days or months and not being able to do what you want to do and saying that it's sooo hard is more to do with your ignorance like @metalhead said.

Nobody learns how to use an operating system overnight, you were once a noob on windows when you found everything so difficult, the same is happening when you started using Linux, there's nothing amazing in this. One more thing is that Linux is not windows, so don't keep saying that you can find the canel or ok button in a dialog box in Linux.

Use Linux for 6months to 1yr regulary, then you come and try to tell us how hard linux is for you then... you'll laugh at yourself if you still find it difficult by then.

 

[zyberboy]

Most of your "issues" are not issues. they are just ignorance. Ask in the OSS forum if you need answers.

So u know all the answers to his query to call him ignorant??
Then at least give a solution to one of his issue

 

[adithyagenius]

Listen buddy, you didn't learn windows in a day, It would have taken you atleast 5 years using windows to use it like you are using it today, so using Linux for few days or months and not being able to do what you want to do and saying that it's sooo hard is more to do with your ignorance like @metalhead said.

Nobody learns how to use an operating system overnight, you were once a noob on windows when you found everything so difficult, the same is happening when you started using Linux, there's nothing amazing in this. One more thing is that Linux is not windows, so don't keep saying that you can find the canel or ok button in a dialog box in Linux.

Use Linux for 6months to 1yr regulary, then you come and try to tell us how hard linux is for you then... you'll laugh at yourself if you still find it difficult by then.

When I was learning windows, I didnt know computers either. After I got a computer my teacher gave only these instructions " Computers are not what they show on TV. Pressing wrong button wont make it explode. Read every instruction carefully." I only ran the windows graphics tutorial fr 1 hour. I learnt every nook and corner of control panel and system within in weeks. I learnt only about computer features rather than os after that. I didn't know kernel, shells and all such concepts till I started to learn linux. I am one of the 3 administartors of Student file servers of my college which runs ancient version of ubuntu with apache. I am very impressed with various things in linux expecially BASH. Few of my seniors use linux for 80% of the time. I wanted to see linux could do personal things like music, games, movies and browsing better. I asked them for personal usage software like. All the suggestions I got from them and from all over queries and search over internet were softwares which were inferior in UI and features and capabilities. Even OSS software like media player classic are windows only. One of my seniors (a open-mined linux fanboy) told me linux is for people for whom professional things are of higher priority than personal entertainment software and they are ready to adjust with music players and browsing quality to have linux's versitality. Few people in my batch , just like me, has linux installed as second OS only for learning, while everyone else has it on virtual box and vmware for same reason.
Linux is not limited in personal entertainment domain by its capabilities but because of its market share causing developers to focus on windows and ignore linux.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

^^ I got your point, but you lost the point..

this thread is about ease of use and not about unavailability of software.

You posted in this thread stating that this sofware is not available.. that sofware is not available.. and etc.. etc.. which was and still is out of topic.

 

[adithyagenius]

^^ I got your point, but you lost the point..

this thread is about ease of use and not about unavailability of software.

You posted in this thread stating that this sofware is not available.. that sofware is not available.. and etc.. etc.. which was and still is out of topic.

Its the core of ease of use. Availability of drivers, availability of easy to use and feature rich software removes all the tinkering and googling and troubleshooting. I spent many hours copying all the font settings like font name, size and other things. Copying them to linux. Changing in opera and appearance the font settings. So that webpages and software mainly made for windows look normal in linux. But I still failed.
Lack of decent graphics card drivers with easy setup made me spend a lot of time installing them using console. The kernel was recompiled. If the kernel gets updated from update manager my x server will crash. I will have to again go through the damn process of reinstalling drivers.
Lack of decent sound drivers made me test my 5.1 using volume sliders instead of simply pressing test speakers of realtek sound panel.
Lack of a true WMP 11 alternative made me use amarok for songs. But for vidoes I had to go through the maze of subfolders to view my fav videos due to lakc of support for videos. I couldn't even play some videos despite installing codec packs. I have to indivdually search for codecs on net and find out that some are still windows only.

 

[anantkhaitan]

@adithya

Codecs..... Music Player ...

Have you ever tried mplayer.. Atleast for me nothing stands before mplayer.

Performance:...

XP performing better?? you must be joking..

Stability:...

Can you expect a M$ system without Ctrl+Alt+Del

torrrent:...

checkout µTorrent's site ..where it clearly mentioned :
Download µTorrent now - It's Free.
For Wine, Wi..................

Browsing:.............

User Agent Switcher...........

Graphics Drivers: and other eye candy stuffs......

no ideas

 

[iMav]

man do these lin guys understand out of the box and ease of use at all or they just keep on babling stuff

 

[ring_wraith]

Let's face it, the GUI was invented to make computers simple to use. Linux still requires the Command line for several things, whereas windows doesn't. Are you telling me it's easier to "sudo apt-get install xxx" than double click?

 

[Hitboxx]

Let's face it, the GUI was invented to make computers simple to use. Linux still requires the Command line for several things, whereas windows doesn't. Are you telling me it's easier to "sudo apt-get install xxx" than double click?

sudo apt-get install xxx => installs from the net in one go

double click? from the net?

How would you install a package from the net? Lets see,
1) Fire up your browser
2) point your browser to the download page,
3) download it
4) double click.

You tell me which is easy.

Both OS's have their plus and minus, its stupid to argue, use what you're comfortable and be done with it.

 

[gary4gar]

Let's face it, the GUI was invented to make computers simple to use. Linux still requires the Command line for several things, whereas windows doesn't. Are you telling me it's easier to "sudo apt-get install xxx" than double click?

dude, linux offers one click software installions, whereas in windows you have to search,download & install

in Ubuntu 7.10 to install mplayer, you just need to click here:CLICK ME TO INSTALL MPLAYER
then it will automactically search,download,install,configure etc etc by just a single click.


Can anything be simple than this??

 

[adithyagenius]

@adithya

Have you ever tried mplayer.. Atleast for me nothing stands before mplayer.

XP performing better?? you must be joking..

Can you expect a M$ system without Ctrl+Alt+Del

checkout µTorrent's site ..where it clearly mentioned :
Download µTorrent now - It's Free.
For Wine, Wi..................

User Agent Switcher...........

no ideas

Media player - any media player will do if I have to browse to the file and play. I want media library with polished UI. I have 73GB of music and vidoes. Amarok is the best suggestion I got. Amarok 2 is supposed to be the true WMP 11 alternative but it is under development. I am also having problems with getting all the codec which k-lite mega codec pack provides. many of my vids are not playing.

Performance - I have checked fps in UT2004. I could compress 3 gb file faster by 17 seconds. virtual dub is also faster but this could be because I only tried out a single reencoder. Only 7zip compression was faster on linux. But that compressed file was not opening in windows xp. I am not saying that linux is faster than windows everywhere. All this is the result of hardware support and optimising for os. we use apache on ubuntu for file server because we can remove shut down the xserver to make it dedicated machine. But for my personal use I am finding linux slow in starting applications and file compression.

Stability- on fedora 5 and 6 linux keeps crashing when sound events are played. It is so bad that I am unable to switch to other consoles to do something about it. In windows atleast ctrl-alt-del exists. I know this is the fault of onboard sound card from realtek. but as per valve's survey, realtek onboard is the most used soundcard among steam users. Again the fault of support from 3rd party. Even on my HCL laptop which is redhat certified, ubuntu 6.06 was simply unusable becasue it was hanging more than unpatched windows 98 approx( every 20 mins).

utorrent - I tried using uttorent in wine in ubuntu 7.10. Its so screwed that I felt its better to use opera's built in torrent.

user agent extension- thats a firefox extension. I dont use firefox due to lack of features. I tried getting the missing features but they are just too unpolished and do not behave correctly. I was forced to download opera for linux. I need some help with fonts. any help will be appreciated.


@Linboys
I am expecting lots of flames. Please be open-minded and provide better suggestions. to be honest, I have been spending a lot of trying to make linux as good as windows in personal use, so that I can fully switch to it for everything except games.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Are you telling me it's easier to "sudo apt-get install xxx" than double click?

This is what most WinFOOLS don't understand.

They think that sudo apt-get install = double click in windows!!

Dude, when you do sudo apt-get install mplayer, it finds the software, downloads it and installs it which in windows is open IE, get to site www.xxxxxx.com, click download, click on save, choose save to desktop, close dialog box or click on run, installation starts, click next 10times, select your program files directory, select your preferences of leaving shortcut on desktop, click finish!!!!

When will you fools understand this, the command line does 10-20jobs in one line which you do 20 different times in windows, so shut your pie holes about double clicking instead of sudo-apt install!!

I'm not being rude, just angry at the ignorance of these winboys!!

 

[iMav]

Can anything be simple than this??

er.......... yes there is something simpler than this:

ur bloody OS which already comes with a media player with a great media library

 

[Hitboxx]

Media player - any media player will do if I have to browse to the file and play. I want media library with polished UI. I have 73GB of music and vidoes. Amarok is the best suggestion I got. Amarok 2 is supposed to be the true WMP 11 alternative but it is under development. I am also having problems with getting all the codec which k-lite mega codec pack provides. many of my vids are not playing.

Performance - I have checked fps in UT2004. I could compress 3 gb file faster by 17 seconds. virtual dub is also faster but this could be because I only tried out a single reencoder. Only 7zip compression was faster on linux. But that compressed file was not opening in windows xp. I am not saying that linux is faster than windows everywhere. All this is the result of hardware support and optimising for os. we use apache on ubuntu for file server because we can remove shut down the xserver to make it dedicated machine. But for my personal use I am finding linux slow in starting applications and file compression.

Stability- on fedora 5 and 6 linux keeps crashing when sound events are played. It is so bad that I am unable to switch to other consoles to do something about it. In windows atleast ctrl-alt-del exists. I know this is the fault of onboard sound card from realtek. but as per valve's survey, realtek onboard is the most used soundcard among steam users. Again the fault of support from 3rd party. Even on my HCL laptop which is redhat certified, ubuntu 6.06 was simply unusable becasue it was hanging more than unpatched windows 98 approx( every 20 mins).

utorrent - I tried using uttorent in wine in ubuntu 7.10. Its so screwed that I felt its better to use opera's built in torrent.

user agent extension- thats a firefox extension. I dont use firefox due to lack of features. I tried getting the missing features but they are just too unpolished and do not behave correctly. I was forced to download opera for linux. I need some help with fonts. any help will be appreciated.


@Linboys
I am expecting lots of flames. Please be open-minded and provide better suggestions. to be honest, I have been spending a lot of trying to make linux as good as windows in personal use, so that I can fully switch to it for everything except games.

You see a pattern here? So what do you want us to do?

You don't find them polished enough for you, you don't find them full of features you like, your HCL laptop is RedHat certified not Ubuntu certified, you think Firefox lacks features...

You don't find the things you want in Linux, don't use Linux. As simple as that. Why the argument

Edit: No flames here, we're just wiser.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

You see a pattern here? So what do you want us to do?

You don't find them polished enough for you, you don't find them full of features you like, your HCL laptop is RedHat certified not Ubuntu certified, you think Firefox lacks features...

You don't find the things you want in Linux, don't use Linux. As simple as that. Why the argument

Forget it man.. he's not getting the point...

 

[adithyagenius]

Edit: No flames here, we're just wiser.

that statement is enough to show you are fanboy (opposite of wise if you don't know).

In this forum , all linux users seem to be fanboys who think linux is better than everything in every situation.
Sincerely, I got more knowledge of linux from others forums and got zilch from this forum because fanboys gives only distorted knowledge and true linux users (using linux for genuine reasons and not because of fanboyism) give the true knowledge.

You guys have a lot of growing up to do.
Me leaving thise pointless discussion...

 

[x3060]

early we only had one "imaeoo" to fight ,
look now...we have another one too..yay!!!!!
just kidding guys .

oh yeah, windows is the best o.s in the world..., tell these guys to get it in their head mate
an o.s made for all...(Aliens)