So WHAT is the cause of such gruesome rapes?

Desmond

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It is not necessary to implement violent punishment on such criminals, but then if you don't, you are not passing a message to other potential offenders. We don't need violence, but discipline. Harsh discipline. People will continue to commit such crimes until dissuaded from doing so.

In case of the 'Nirbhaya' incident, the girl died. That means its manslaughter and the offenders need to be charged as such.
 

NoasArcAngel

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There is no single reason why men rape. Some of the reasons could be :

- No fear of the law.
- Misogyny.
- Having a illusion that women actually want to be raped.
- Desperation.
- Vengeance.
- Alpha male complex.

The objective may or may not be to harm the victim, but inadvertently ends up in harm. Porn is not the only reason, but it could be a catalyst. If you don't discipline a dog, it will urinate inside the house or on the carpet. Men need to be disciplined from as early an age as possible and taught to respect women. But even this is not enough since a person who has the mindset to rape would rape regardless of education or discipline or stimuli such as porn. It is a broad topic with no single reason.

desmond has answered the query in simple yet concise form .
 

mediator

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@Rhitwick : Thats what I questioned earlier => "Law can enforce strict rules, but can it stop a person under the effect of alcohol?"

In your subjective opinion, its either black or white, 0 percent or crime exists. But I appreciate if the state/country witnesses reduction in crime rates. We can disagree there. But high or low rate of execution is no measure in measuring the crime rate. Many crimes in India are not even registered, let alone being resolved. Politicians, Police officers, IPS etc are all involved in crimes. But do they get executed? Does the low crime registered infer low crime committed? Would the no. of executions measure the crime rate in such cases? What you see as high rate of execution, I see it as proper/strict implementation of law because of which no. of crime committed synchronizes with no. of crime cases resolved.

So the implementation and the law shall remain a subject of discussion and can only be measured by peace or lawlessness that citizens are witnessing. But in the end, everybody will have to practice self-control over their desires. Giving in to their desires is what I I call as slavery to the senses due to attachment to sense objects. Only through a detached self-control can one respect the nature and its manifestations be it a woman, man, animal, atmosphere etc.
 
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whitestar_999

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@mediator,looks like you were unable to understand my post.do a google search on prohibition era & Al Capone because if you don't know about this already then it is meaningless for me to continue this discussion with you.India is a vast country & Gujarat is not safe just because it has alcohol prohibition because by that logic Mizoram, Manipur & Nagaland should be very safe too because they too have this alcohol prohibition law but they are not.Gujarat is an exception being run by a chief minister who understands crime negatively impacts business & who enjoy so much support that he has no fear of his party central command.also this is not a pseudo religious/philosophical forum so give arguments based on solid facts/relevance not ethics/self control & such.btw about countries like UAE i hope you know that they practice & implement wahabi form of Islam & shariya & yes it does succeed in keeping crime rate low but at a great cost of personal freedom so your argument about this is completely invalid.
 

mediator

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^When I say dry state, it doesn't mean that the state should also have all forms of extremism. It is a simple case of discussion when in physics we discuss on gravity, acceleration and velocity and newtons three laws of motion 'without' observing friction due to air or ground as a factor. We all know what form of crime is prevalent in Mizoram, Manipur and Nagaland and that discussion is a total tangent to the crime in civilian zone that we are discussing. In that discussion, we cannot discuss on 'self-control' for mosquitoes will attack you even in your most peaceful state. Moreover, it also not relevant here whether sharia succeeds or not in keeping the crime rate low, but what was 'done' to keep the crime the crime rate low. We do not need to practice the same thing, but we can atleast learn from it and amend the way to a suitable form! We can indeed learn from Gujarat and Saudi. We do not need to blindly follow though. :)
 
To answer OP's question as to what causes such gruesome rapes

Its the conservative Indian society. Period!

A pervert horny guy with raging harmones may not commit rape. But a quiet shy introvert and sexually suppressed guy is more prone to rape.

The only reason "capital punishment for rapist" is debated is because the tendency to rape comes from a person's upbringing, his society and his psychological status.

Sweden has the highest rape case in the World.
Blog: Which Country has the Highest Rape Rate in the World?
Shocking right? But dwelve deeper into the statistics and things start clearing up. 77% of the rapists were muslim immigrants. I am not saying the muslims are like that, im saying that when the closed societies clash with modern society, bad things happen.

Imagine a brahmin orthodox guy from Bihari village, never talked to a non-family-member-gal ever till he is adult. Never touched a girl...never sat close to a gal in class...oh wait, he went to boys-only school, which is so common in rural Bihar...

NOW, he comes to New Delhi for studies/job. OOOHH LA LA....Sexy chics...EYE POPPING..Revelaing cothes..and so friendly and interactive gals :) !!!
His brain goes psycho :D:D, his morality nerve snaps, and he starts fantasizing those women. And being so inexperienced in interaction with the opposite sex, his insecurity and phobia turns him into a rapist. He doesn't give a **** if he is hanged tommorow, he just wanna get laid! And an innocent promising lad turns into a rapist :( . IMO Blame goes to his upbringing,society etc etc,,

As for those 60 year old men who rape 10 yr old kids, well thats mental defect, not horniness. They deserve the Mental Asylum, not the gallows..
 
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Chetan1991

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To answer OP's question as to what causes such gruesome rapes

Its the conservative Indian society. Period!

A pervert horny guy with raging harmones may not commit rape. But a quiet shy introvert and sexually suppressed guy is more prone to rape.

The only reason "capital punishment for rapist" is debated is because the tendency to rape comes from a person's upbringing, his society and his psychological status.

Sweden has the highest rape case in the World.
Blog: Which Country has the Highest Rape Rate in the World?
Shocking right? But dwelve deeper into the statistics and things start clearing up. 77% of the rapists were muslim immigrants. I am not saying the muslims are like that, im saying that when the closed societies clash with modern society, bad things happen.

Imagine a brahmin orthodox guy from Bihari village, never talked to a non-family-member-gal ever till he is adult. Never touched a girl...never sat close to a gal in class...oh wait, he went to boys-only school, which is so common in rural Bihar...

NOW, he comes to New Delhi for studies/job. OOOHH LA LA....Sexy chics...EYE POPPING..Revelaing cothes..and so friendly and interactive gals :) !!!
His brain goes psycho :D:D, his morality nerve snaps, and he starts fantasizing those women. And being so inexperienced in interaction with the opposite sex, his insecurity and phobia turns him into a rapist. He doesn't give a **** if he is hanged tommorow, he just wanna get laid! And an innocent promising lad turns into a rapist :( . IMO Blame goes to his upbringing,society etc etc,,

As for those 60 year old men who rape 10 yr old kids, well thats mental defect, not horniness. They deserve the Mental Asylum, not the gallows..
Unique insight. Clash of old and new is certain to result in some agitation.
 

Anorion

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DO you guys feel PORN affects the occurrence of rape?

No, but it gives wrong and fake ideas about women, just like magazines and movies. Even soap has gender sterotypes, why should dove be all white and curvy, and lifebuoy this brick like huuge purple thing

Sweden has the highest rape case in the World.
Blog: Which Country has the Highest Rape Rate in the World?
Shocking right? But dwelve deeper into the statistics and things start clearing up. 77% of the rapists were muslim immigrants. I am not saying the muslims are like that, im saying that when the closed societies clash with modern society, bad things happen.
Cant compare crime rates in two countriess so easily.

"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."
BBC News - Sweden's rape rate under the spotlight
 

Chaitanya

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Sweden is filled with radical feminists (the crazy type) who label even something as a stranger man talking to them as rape.

I will never visit sweden..:chinscratch:

No, but it gives wrong and fake ideas about women, just like magazines and movies. Even soap has gender sterotypes, why should dove be all white and curvy, and lifebuoy this brick like huuge purple thing

:rofl: (Good point IMO)
 

theterminator

Wise Old Owl
Another report which attributes Internet PORN to real life criminal acts of rape,etc.

All the evidence tells us that the deluge of violent and perverted sexual images available with just a few clicks of a computer mouse is inflicting profound psychological damage on a generation of children.

ChildLine receives huge numbers of calls from traumatised teenagers and the NSPCC has reported a flood of requests for help from girls being pressured by boyfriends to provide sexually explicit photographs of themselves and worse, aping what they have seen on the web.
DAILY MAIL COMMENT: A bold offensive in the war on internet porn | Mail Online


I remember a user with the handle 'chaitanya2106' who made this claim here on TDF.
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/fight-club/171981-killing-piracy.html
 

Desmond

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On a similar note : Woman assaults man and cries rape.



Edit : Apparently the woman is a moderator of the /r/AgainstMensRights subreddit. The subreddit is also known to encourage women to falsely accuse men of rape.

Edit : From the description of the above video :

If it isn't already apparent to most people .If you want to stay out of trouble with a woman ,carry a camera and video tape everything.It'll save you some real prison rape.
 
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theterminator

Wise Old Owl
co-relation does not imply causation

so these reports from leading newspapers doesn't seem to impress you? Doesn't it ring a bell when an awful lot of material is available at just the click of a mouse? Its having a psychological impact on the minds of people whether you admit it or not. Its also passively harming the partner when he/she is been told to perform acts willingly or unwillingly because his/her partner saw something 'interesting' on these very tapes.
 

Anorion

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^uh. yep. it does psychologically affect a lot. it gives the wrong idea about sex. production of some kinds of porn can be the abuse. there is a rise of self shot material, it's a huuge concern when it is by the underaged. some kinds of porn are victimless crimes. not denying any of that. however, to say porn causes rape is not the whole picture. movies, magazines and soaps are at least equally responsible. for example, those films where navels are zoomed in on song sequences objectify women, reduce them to those body parts as much as hardcore porn films reduce sex to the genitals.

But it's the scene with the dimwitted farmer that really hammers home how casually rape is doled out in the universe of Enthiran. That guy is on screen for two minutes, tops, and roughly a minute and a half of that time is him being adorably dumb and bashful. The other 30 seconds is him trying to molest the main character. There's literally no segue there -- the transformation from harmless comic relief to sexual criminal was apparently in one of those scenes the blind editor lopped off
Read more: http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-thing...india-from-their-action-movies/#ixzz2a1ZoxeRQ
 

whitestar_999

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i had read that article a long time ago & it correctly portrays the so called "compulsory molestation/rape" in many south indian movies(indian laughter challenge 1st season even has a joke on it by raju shrivastav or sunil pal).no doubt such things(including pornography) inflicts psychological damage but so does fear which is superior so even if a person is encouraged to commit rape he won't because of fear(of law,magnitude of punishment,society,shame etc).it is this aspect of fear which needs to be focused upon to stop this increase in rapes.there is no human in this world which can not be broken using fear & if there is one then that person is more than a human.
 

theterminator

Wise Old Owl
^uh. yep. it does psychologically affect a lot. it gives the wrong idea about sex. production of some kinds of porn can be the abuse. there is a rise of self shot material, it's a huuge concern when it is by the underaged. some kinds of porn are victimless crimes. not denying any of that. however, to say porn causes rape is not the whole picture. movies, magazines and soaps are at least equally responsible. for example, those films where navels are zoomed in on song sequences objectify women, reduce them to those body parts as much as hardcore porn films reduce sex to the genitals.

ofcourse objectifying women is present in all forms of entertainment. but there is a distinction which makes a movie superhit even if some form of objectification or unpleasant behaviour is shown. There is a reason why Barney Stinson is not looked from a bad angle despite he thinks of girls as one night stands. That distinction is whittled away in such 'so called' porn. Porn is certainly not the 'only' cause of such crimes, nobody is saying that. But nobody should deny the fact that it has , unfortunately, become one of "THE" causes of unimaginable sexual desire that acts as a driving force. Its not just rape we are talking here, why is there a sudden exponential increase in molestations, sexual harrassment cases? Is it because they were not reported before, really? Its not 'some' kind of porn, that word should be replaced by 'many'.
 
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