So WHAT is the cause of such gruesome rapes?

Chetan1991

Youngling
All I see on news channels is people demanding punishment and stricter laws, even when we know prevention is better than cure. What's done is done. No amount of punishment can undo that and no amount of laws can control it.
What we should be focussing on is what prompts rapist to commit such acts? How do their mindset differ from others? How to nip the problem in the bud?

At first I thought rapist were just horny idiots who would go out of control and rape for sexual release, but what's up with raping 5 year old children?
couldn't they just buy dolls or stuff like that from black market? And inserting bottles etc inside, why would anyone do that?
We seriously need to understand the rapist mind deeply. Isn't there any psychology or anthropology dept of big univ.s doing research on such topics?
Without that I think rapes are not going to stop.
 

AcceleratorX

Youngling
It is somewhat related to abuse those rapists faced at the hands of women (and their parents) in their younger days and a desire to dominate the females as a result of that. Enough said.
 

Desmond

Destroy Erase Improve
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What is TDF's obsession with rapes?

Looks like this thread picked off when the other rape threads closed. I think this has been covered in detail in those threads.
 
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theterminator

Wise Old Owl
^Its not TDF's obsession dude. It's so much of a serious debate today that people want to know what is happening in their locality. Now, I am horrified the minute my sister/mother steps out of the house on her own :(. It's like a bunch of retards are out there craving for their next target.
Till now, we haven't been able to find the problem & take appropriate steps. The government & some personalities seem to narrow it down to pornography & get away with the actual problem.
 

Desmond

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There is no single reason why men rape. Some of the reasons could be :

- No fear of the law.
- Misogyny.
- Having a illusion that women actually want to be raped.
- Desperation.
- Vengeance.
- Alpha male complex.

The objective may or may not be to harm the victim, but inadvertently ends up in harm. Porn is not the only reason, but it could be a catalyst. If you don't discipline a dog, it will urinate inside the house or on the carpet. Men need to be disciplined from as early an age as possible and taught to respect women. But even this is not enough since a person who has the mindset to rape would rape regardless of education or discipline or stimuli such as porn. It is a broad topic with no single reason.
 

theterminator

Wise Old Owl
The best thing on the part of govt is to implement strict law and order..Police comes into central role as victims are initially reluctant to lodge a conplaint as they fear humiliation from the police itself. Lots of things to do but what happens , Parliament adjourned!
 
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Chetan1991

Chetan1991

Youngling
The best thing on the part of govt is to implement strict law and order..Police comes into central role as victims are initially reluctant to lodge a conplaint as they fear humiliation from the police itself. Lots of things to do but what happens , Parliament adjourned!
That's like a medicine for the problem. But we all know medicines cure only for some time. Permanent solution is not control. Control and fear have never been the ultimate answer to any problem. Dictators use them and they all fall in the end.
 

Makx

Game on
Not just rape, the criminal activity around Delhi is so high these days...
one day my male friend left office early and so took some taxi to reach home otherwise he daily went home via office cab, he was robbed, beaten and dropped from the running taxi. He was unconscious for 3 days.
 

theterminator

Wise Old Owl
That's like a medicine for the problem. But we all know medicines cure only for some time. Permanent solution is not control. Control and fear have never been the ultimate answer to any problem. Dictators use them and they all fall in the end.

Then what is permanent solution in your view?
 
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Chetan1991

Chetan1991

Youngling
Then what is permanent solution in your view?

I don't know, that's why I brought it up here.
I couldn't be just repressed sex drive. Why would anyone rape children? The mind-set of rapists is quite different from ours, that's why we can't understand their actions. The right thing would be to stop being emotionally volatile, hating them as monsters and try to understand why they do such acts.
The people who ought to do this are psychology and anthropology departments of universities but since we are all too familiar with the state of our educational system and academia let us just see if we can accomplish something through discussion.
 

theterminator

Wise Old Owl
I don't know, that's why I brought it up here.
I couldn't be just repressed sex drive. Why would anyone rape children? The mind-set of rapists is quite different from ours, that's why we can't understand their actions. The right thing would be to stop being emotionally volatile, hating them as monsters and try to understand why they do such acts.
The people who ought to do this are psychology and anthropology departments of universities but since we are all too familiar with the state of our educational system and academia let us just see if we can accomplish something through discussion.

IMO there is no "permanent" solution to anything. I was trying to know what you have in mind but since you're also not confident then I must state that through law & order we can cure this menace to some extent. By law & order, I don't mean implementing it like Saudi Arabia. Those psychological studies are essential to understand the nature of such perverts but I don't think it will take much time to draw out a reason for such acts. It's a combination of many things like a patriarchal society. No fear of crime is also a big reason.
 
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Chetan1991

Chetan1991

Youngling
IMO there is no "permanent" solution to anything. I was trying to know what you have in mind but since you're also not confident then I must state that through law & order we can cure this menace to some extent. By law & order, I don't mean implementing it like Saudi Arabia. Those psychological studies are essential to understand the nature of such perverts but I don't think it will take much time to draw out a reason for such acts. It's a combination of many things like a patriarchal society. No fear of crime is also a big reason.

I guess nothing is permanent, world can't be stagnant. It's not patriarchy but excessive chauvinism that's bad. BTW Blind equalism and radical feminism (have destroyed American society) are just as bad as excessive oppression (the Middle east way).
 

mediator

Technomancer
@Desmond David raised some few good points. But I'm surprised why no one raised the biggest contributing factor which disables the judgement of a person, his ability to control his desires, a factor which makes one aggressive, sexually as well. I surprised why no one talked about alcohol. Moreover, this trend has not only been observed on this forum but in general as well, as it would shake people out of their comfort zone, their status and the perfect world they project on sites like facebook with pics of alcohol etc. Is it because people cannot discuss on their habits?

One can easily research and find out how majority of crime cases including rapes have been linked and committed under the effect of alcohol. The 5 rapists in the recent 'Nirbhaya' case were also heavily drunk and could not even hear or empathize with the cries of a girl. While people like Asharam Bapu were trying to reason that "she should have begged them and called them bhaya".

Please answer yourself if you can trust a drunk person on the wheels, your sister with a drunk guy etc?

http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/factsheets/crime.pdf

People are asking for permanent solution, but it is there right infront of their eyes. But if one discusses that, he is tagged as 'religious' by default, without even understanding the huge different between philosophy and religion.

Thus the wise living entity's pure consciousness becomes covered by his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and which burns like fire. The senses, the mind and the intelligence are the sitting places of this lust. Through them lust covers the real knowledge of the living entity and bewilders him.Therefore, O Arjuna, best of the Bhāratas, in the very beginning curb this great symbol of sin [lust] by regulating the senses, and slay this destroyer of knowledge and self-realization. (BG 3.39-41)

Law can enforce strict rules, but can it stop a person under the effect of alcohol?
 

Desmond

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Damn, how did I forget about alcohol. Alcohol is the root of many problems, including but not limited to rapes.
 

theterminator

Wise Old Owl
I guess nothing is permanent, world can't be stagnant. It's not patriarchy but excessive chauvinism that's bad. BTW Blind equalism and radical feminism (have destroyed American society) are just as bad as excessive oppression (the Middle east way).

Patriarchy has been for centuries, you cannot deny it. Patriarchy is a result of excessive chauvinism of the male & women, especially in rural areas, have adopted themselves to this tradition. Many mother-in-laws don't want their daughter-in-laws to work.
 
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Chetan1991

Chetan1991

Youngling
@mediator good point. Alcohol can be attributed as a factor behind a lot of crimes especially in a country like ours where the majority of drinkers drink it to get stinking drunk instead of just enjoying some. But you can't blame a substance. It is the drinkers responsible for gulping down more than what they can handle.
 

mediator

Technomancer
@Chetan - There are times when your friends 'impose' drinking upon you in the name of party and fun, count some emotional blackmail, and later without even realizing you might start shouting and drive rashly. An innocent girl, water-totaller might be given alcohol in her cold drink and later exploited. So more than alcohol, I would also blame this herd mentality about drinking as a fashion statement and a 'cool factor', a socially acceptable form of schizophrenia, that in turn promotes drinking and alcohol and those who don't drink are tagged as 'bacha/kid' and condescended in various forms. This new distorted definition of 'grown up' is also to be blamed. I really do not understand why it is an enjoyment as a guitarist cannot entrance himself with his sub-conscious focus in guitar, a gymmer cannot lift and enjoy his work out, a painter cannot paint and debater cannot debate intellectually and enjoy under the effect of alcohol.

Moreover, alcohol damages the youthful looks, gives bad skin texture, increases weight, causes hair loss, congenital diseases for pregnant women, liver cancer, memory loss, impairs the immunity system, brain damage, kidney damage, coma and even death.

This definition of enjoyment regarding alcohol itself is gross!

A nice read : http://alcoholisminfo.blogspot.in/2013/01/alcohol-crimes-diseases-causes-and.html
 

whitestar_999

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Staff member
your many points are correct about alcohol but the problem is not that.we know many things which we should not do & yet still do it & more someone else force us to not do something more the people will try to find a way around.you can't stop people from drinking alcohol simply by banning it.USA tried & failed & i seriously doubt any other democracy in world can succeed where USA failed to implement a law in their own country.the only way to discourage people from drinking alcohol is through a series of physical/technological/psychological/economical/judicial measures which i am afraid to say are simply beyond the comprehension of most people let alone politicians.
 

mediator

Technomancer
You should not consider USA as a benchmark, for they set the benchmark and break it themselves. They are against biochemicals warfare and WMDs, yet they used it against Veitnam. They are against other countries using nuclear weapons, and they have forgotten their own history with Japan. Once you know the ethical irrelevance being practiced in these countries for manufacturing of allopathic medicines and beauty products, you'd understand the real definition of their standard. Whereas, India is country where the medical drugs banned in other countries are used, energy drinks which are being banned by other countries are still used, BT products banned in many countries is still used. IMO, India is a guinea pig used by manufacturing industries and 'modern Indians' a herd of blind sheep which drools on ever changing 'modern research' (I read a british research which said Computer Engg are great at having sex, another one now found that 'haldi' has medicinal properties and people developed affinity after the modern approval) and treats scientists as gods, without using their own common sense and analyzing the matters in depth. It is interesting to note that this category finds processed food like Mc Burger and Pizza, processed meat as 'hygienic'.

There are many dry states/countries which have banned alcohol and experiencing a low crime rate. AFAIK, Gujarat, and mid-east countries like Saudi are dry states with one of the lowest crime rates. Yes, one can argue that implementation of law is also strict in these regions.
 
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rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
Well, I kind of did an extensive (as much as I could on internet) study on the reasons of "rape". I had posted a thread here too on the same topic but with a different agenda. Rather finding the reason I asked for the apt punishment for such criminals.
The thread can be found here http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/fig...uld-ideal-punishment-rapists.html#post1810903

The whole thread might not be relevant to this topic discussed here but the first post covering various reasons, myths, symptoms of rapists etc are posted there.

There are many dry states/countries which have banned alcohol and experiencing a low crime rate. AFAIK, Gujarat, and mid-east countries like Saudi are dry states with one of the lowest crime rates. Yes, one can argue that implementation of law is also strict in these regions.
I would disagree here with you.

I've friends from Gujrat who complain about rising crime rates. Though they blames all those 'bihari' migrants for this.

And, about Saudi, I would again disagree. It has high execution rates among the top orders (China, Iran, North Korea etc). Did the capital punishment or the kind of punishments that make news everyday brought down the crime rate to zero? No. It did not.
People will go the wrong way, they would.

The solution is not to bring down the crime rate or "rape rate". Even if only one girl is 'raped' that is unacceptable. Lower rates does not justify it. You can't just sit back relaxing that the crime rate is low now. Its not a solution.

Either it has to be zero or its a failed attempt. From broad prospect you can argue that the crime rate has been brought down to 5% from 50% but can you tell that the people who fall in your that 5% stat are irrelevant, their lives, dignity are irrelevant and the unjust is justified, or you would want to console them that their 'sacrifice' would make the future better?

I disagree. 4-5 months back I was listening to a Muslim clergy talking in TV. He's supposed to be a very good speaker, everyone listens to him and etc. He told in Urdu first and then in Hindi.
Eventually he started praising how Arab countries have implemented law so well and how India would do better if even it follows the same judgement system. He even went ahead and asked the audience to raise hands who support for such punishment and rules.
I was amazed and disgusted by the suggestion. Violence can't be solution to anything.

I guess they thrive on the concept of this meme,
violence_o_262684.jpg
 
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