*** Science Or God? ***

[axes2t2]

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[doomgiver]

the conclusion of this thread is ' there are many things and events going on around us which indicate that it cannot simply occur all by an accident, but also we cannot prove perfectly about the existance of god ' . until god sends us something to strengthen our believes, which will satisfy all of our never ending qouestions.

what events cannot occur by accident?
i can precipitate destruction of this world by just nudging an orbiting body (asteroid/comet/meteor) a tiny bit out of orbit.

i can devastate the entire east-west internet backbone with one carefully planted bomb.

the most complex problems can have the simplest of explanations.

i'd love to hear of a WELL DOCUMENTED problem which has no solution till now.

 

[mohiuddin]

u can solve problems but cannot build/rebuild anything. many car accidents occur and pieces of glasses and metals are being made by those accidents. can u find a single piece of glass as spectacle or a single piece metal as screw ???
don't u get surprized by these human body to be a product of an accident? this earth to be a result of a mere accident???? think..... u might get answers

 

[doomgiver]

er, so what? in accident no one comes back, WHICH IS ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE WORLD.
if someone had "magically" come back from life, then it'd be strange.

lol, your own reply devastates your previous post. epic.

im not surprised about he human body, its the product of hundreds of millions (about 50,00,00,000) years of evolution. and you cant call evolution "accident". its just that the best species survives.

the earth is nothing. the solar system is nothing. our sun is a small, non-descript yellow main stage star at almost the edge of the galaxy. our sun is not big, neither is it bright. it does not have any "wow" characteristics, other than it has a piece of rock orbiting it that has life crawling on its surface.

there are billions of stars, millions of planets. who gave you the right to assume we are the only life in this galaxy (leave alone the universe)? how dare you presume that we were "favored" by some "power" that chose a mediocre, ordinary area to "settle" life. thats terribly megalomaniac, egoistical and narrow minded.

if i wanted to start a colony of intelligent beings, i'd put them in a more interesting place in the galaxy, like somewhere in the vicinity of arcturus, which, incidentally, is famous of its mega-freighters, and mega-donkeys.

 

[mohiuddin]

how am i devastating my previous post??
please donot take things in another direction. i asked u that the products of an accident....... are they usable for any perpose. it was just an example. actually u are contradicting urself. why no people come back after death by accident, if the hole start of us was an accident?
where did i say we are the only int. species in universe?
just do a research on human body, then u will realise is it possible to make this stucture from a result of accident+evolution

and u are singing the same crap mr.darwin had song??????? unbeliveable. even he said that he felt embarassed when he sees so much definite sophisticated paterns in the nature like male peacock tail.
please just think in a different way.

 

[doomgiver]

how am i devastating my previous post??
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let me lay it out to you :

YOU SAID : there are many things and events going on around us which indicate that it cannot simply occur all by an accident,

YOU SAID : many car accidents occur and pieces of glasses and metals are being made by those accidents. can u find a single piece of glass as spectacle or a single piece metal as screw ???

I SAID : "er, so what? in accident no one comes back, WHICH IS ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE WORLD.
if someone had "magically" come back from life, then it'd be strange."

if the broken glass of a spectacle gets repaired by itself, without human help (like melting it, or gluing it), then IT WOULD VIOLATE PHYSICS (and (quote)"it cannot simply occur all by an accident,"(unquote)


please donot take things in another direction. i asked u that the products of an accident....... are they usable for any perpose. it was just an example.

where does this belong in the discussion? i think you are asking "what is the use of the by products of an accident?" be more clear




actually u are contradicting urself.
accualy is dolan. i would link to the comics, but that'd get me a permaban. i dont want permaban. where do i contradict myself? just because i pointed out a very obvios flaw in your reasoning(with plenty of examples) makes it ok for you to do the same to me? without even any evidence? gtfo, get back with more evidence.





why no people come back after death by accident, if the hole start of us was an accident?
let me lay it out to you AGAIN :

YOU SAID : there are many things and events going on around us which indicate that it cannot simply occur all by an accident,

YOU SAID : many car accidents occur and pieces of glasses and metals are being made by those accidents. can u find a single piece of glass as spectacle or a single piece metal as screw ???

I SAID : "er, so what? in accident no one comes back, WHICH IS ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE WORLD.
if someone had "magically" come back from life, then it'd be strange."

if the broken glass of a spectacle gets repaired by itself, without human help (like melting it, or gluing it), then IT WOULD VIOLATE PHYSICS (and (quote)"it cannot simply occur all by an accident,"(unquote)






where did i say we are the only int. species in universe?
is that not obvious? is your god the same as the god of an intelligent, 5 foot tall insectoid from Vega III? JUST THE FACT THAT YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD INSTANTLY ERASES EVERY OTHER INTELLIGENT LIFE FROM YOUR "WORLD-view".

Because you believe that your "god" is there just for you, exclusively, that means that that god MUST HAVE MADE SURE THAT NO OTHER LIFE WOULD BE POSSIBLE, AS YOU, THE GOD'S WORSHIPPERS ARE THE ONLY ONES WORTH OF ATTENTION. or is it that your god has 2 devotees?? one is you and the other is some alien??





just do a research on human body, then u will realise is it possible to make this stucture from a result of accident+evolution

i dont understand... is this a question. i want an answer? (READ : your replies are very hard to read. improve your grammar, if you want me to understand what you have written. right now, i cannot make out what you want to say)




and u are singing the same crap mr.darwin had song??????? unbeliveable. even he said that he felt embarassed when he sees so much definite sophisticated paterns in the nature like male peacock tail.
please just think in a different way.

oh, please, calling darwin crap. do you even know what he wrote? can you describe it in 10 short sentences? if not, then get the hell out, you dont know anything. how the eff can you comment on some subject which you know zero about?

ok, give me proof that he was "embarassed". where was he embarassed? PROOF. NOTHING ELSE. I DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR STORIES.

ok, about he peacock. let me think.... THE GODDAMN PATTERN IS THERE BECAUSE IT HAS THE BEST CHANCE OF A FEMALE LIKING IT.

real life example : YOU have a pulsar 200 cc blueprint plan. I have a hayabusa blueprint plan. JOHN has a tricycle blueprint plan.
which is more complex plan? my hayabusa? your pulsar? or john's tricycle? (obv, the hayabusa is most complex)

now, which one plan has the most chance of impressing a CEO? ofc, its the most complex... hayabusa. plan

what happens is this : the CEO picks my plan, rejects your and john's plan. Both of you die out (taking with you your plans) now, ONLY MY plans(THE HAYABUSA ONES) EXIST. from now on, only hayabusa will be manufactured, and made better.

get it now? the complex pattern exist coz the female peacock will pick a male with most complex design, whose babies will have the same, or more complex design (babies with less complex design will die out, coz no female will take them)

please think in a logical way

seriously, if that does not make sense to you, then you are a stupid person, incapable of logic, reasoning and all sorts of higher thoughts.
as such, i'll consider you a troll, unless you give me solid proof which is against what i've written here.

 

[mohiuddin]

I meant by 'All events and things around us' were the universe, this world, humanrace, nature, animals , even our body, mind... Can u believe these all were product/by products of a big bang (accident) ?? I meant this very well formed universe , this human body cannot be just made by big bang and evolution.

Ok, i am a medical student. The more i get into 'how human body works' or 'what is mind' , the more i realize the presence of a creator.

No, i didn't read what darwin had written. Have u read?

Ok, if someone come back from death it would be 'magical' , isn't it?
Then, after an accident (big bang) ,start of this universe and atleast this earth (as we donot know about any other planet with int. life forms) does not seem to be abit 'magical'? unless the accident was greatly arranged by some one?

And i have a question, what was there, before that bigbang?

And physics law violation? Lol, what physics law? The always changing physics law? Like physics said someday Particles was indestructable and now they can be transformable to energy?

If coming-back of life to an already wellformed human body ( after natural death ) , violates ur always changing physics law, Then , " this large animal planet with human race had been made just from some dust an fumes" does not this break ur never-stable physics law?

U guys when cannot find an answer then use the 'evolution' crap after seeing some adaption or physical changes based upon environmental changes.
That may change a mammoth into an elephant. But no way, it can change fumes/rocks or amoeba into a complete human being.

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

us "religioned" people still have a majority
*according to poll*

 

[Makx]

What is science and known facts today was attributed to god and mystical powers in the past, as science evolves, all the questions you raised will be answered.

Science might not have the answers to many questions but neither has anyone else, so just attributing anything unknown to god is ...

us "religioned" people still have a majority
*according to poll*

168+131 > 176

 

[Faun]

I meant by 'All events and things around us' were the universe, this world, humanrace, nature, animals , even our body, mind... Can u believe these all were product/by products of a big bang (accident) ?? I meant this very well formed universe , this human body cannot be just made by big bang and evolution.

Ok, i am a medical student. The more i get into 'how human body works' or 'what is mind' , the more i realize the presence of a creator.

No, i didn't read what darwin had written. Have u read?

Ok, if someone come back from death it would be 'magical' , isn't it?
Then, after an accident (big bang) ,start of this universe and atleast this earth (as we donot know about any other planet with int. life forms) does not seem to be abit 'magical'? unless the accident was greatly arranged by some one?

And i have a question, what was there, before that bigbang?

And physics law violation? Lol, what physics law? The always changing physics law? Like physics said someday Particles was indestructable and now they can be transformable to energy?

If coming-back of life to an already wellformed human body ( after natural death ) , violates ur always changing physics law, Then , " this large animal planet with human race had been made just from some dust an fumes" does not this break ur never-stable physics law?

U guys when cannot find an answer then use the 'evolution' crap after seeing some adaption or physical changes based upon environmental changes.
That may change a mammoth into an elephant. But no way, it can change fumes/rocks or amoeba into a complete human being.

Looks like the veil of faith is too dense. I hope you get to see your almighty some day.

 

[mohiuddin]

but i donot hope, i know . and it would not only me, but also all living things he created.

 

[rhitwick]

I meant by 'All events and things around us' were the universe, this world, humanrace, nature, animals , even our body, mind... Can u believe these all were product/by products of a big bang (accident) ?? I meant this very well formed universe , this human body cannot be just made by big bang and evolution.

Ok, i am a medical student. The more i get into 'how human body works' or 'what is mind' , the more i realize the presence of a creator.

No, i didn't read what darwin had written. Have u read?

Ok, if someone come back from death it would be 'magical' , isn't it?
Then, after an accident (big bang) ,start of this universe and atleast this earth (as we donot know about any other planet with int. life forms) does not seem to be abit 'magical'? unless the accident was greatly arranged by some one?

And i have a question, what was there, before that bigbang?

And physics law violation? Lol, what physics law? The always changing physics law? Like physics said someday Particles was indestructable and now they can be transformable to energy?

If coming-back of life to an already wellformed human body ( after natural death ) , violates ur always changing physics law, Then , " this large animal planet with human race had been made just from some dust an fumes" does not this break ur never-stable physics law?

It was a good decision that you took medicine.

U guys when cannot find an answer then use the 'evolution' crap after seeing some adaption or physical changes based upon environmental changes.
That may change a mammoth into an elephant. But no way, it can change fumes/rocks or amoeba into a complete human being.

I've something for you.
Craig Venter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Synthetic biology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Synthetic life experiments attempt to either probe the origins of life, study some of the properties of life, or more ambitiously to recreate life from non-alive (abiotic) substances. For example, in 2010, Craig Venter's group announced they had been able to assemble a complete genome of millions of base pairs, insert it into a cell, and cause that cell to start replicating.[22] To create this cell, the DNA code was transcribed as a computer file, edited with new code, sequenced by the Blue Heron Bio Company, put together by yeast and other cells, and finally transplanted into a cell from which all genetic material was removed.[23] The cell divided and was "entirely controlled by (the) new genome".[23] This cell has been referred to by Venter as the "first synthetic cell", and was created at a cost of over $40 million dollars.[23]

 

[Faun]

but i donot hope, i know . and it would not only me, but also all living things he created.

cool...

 

[mohiuddin]

It was a good decision that you took medicine.

I've something for you.
Craig Venter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Synthetic biology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

why u did not quoted the part that is just after ur quoted part?? read it. lol even if they can create self replicating haploid cell, than what? what u want to indicate??

 

[doomgiver]

EVERYONE, this guy is a troll.

forget about him, last month i wasted my time on a similar troll on reddit. 3 of my precious hours wasted. i gave him links, exposed logical loopholes, still he stuck to his idiotic beliefs.

let me enlighten you :

oh, please, calling darwin crap. do you even know what he wrote? can you describe it in 10 short sentences? if not, then get the hell out, you dont know anything. how the eff can you comment on some subject which you know zero about?

No, i didn't read what darwin had written. Have u read?

i didn't read what darwin had written

i didn't read darwin

obvious fail troll is obvious.
you, sir, have the IQ of a small, stunted piglet.

is there any option to "ignore" a user's posts on tfd? if yes, then i wanna ignore this troll's posts. thanks.

 

[sygeek]

The point of a debate is to put forth your opinions, not arguing until the other person agrees. Just saying..

 

[pratyush997]

50-50 ..

 

[doomgiver]

The point of a debate is to put forth your opinions, not arguing until the other person agrees. Just saying..

while throwing logic right out of the window???

i welcome debate, but when the other guy is an obstinate mule brained orthodoxist, there can never be debate. it then devolves into dogma vs logic. guess which one wins?

and then there is the case when the very basic framework of your ideas/opinions is wrong, then in that case, its not a debate, its a shitstorm. like in this case.

 

[mohiuddin]

how come i am troll?? please read my posts more carefully. no, i did not waste my time reading darwin's hypothesis , but watched about him on tv. that was the basis of what i said. and please give answers to what i asked. please just don't attack personally that will ultimately force the thread to be closed.

 

[skeletor]

EVERYONE, this guy is a troll.

No potshots.