*** Science Or God? ***
rishitells
Always in Dreams...
so you want to define God with scientific logic.
I said he's the ultimate of everything, now as you wish to interpret.
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ok I agree to this point. Well I pray, but not in the typical manner i.e. never demand anything like dumbs or making foolish requests.
As for pooja steps, I believe in Hawan, hope you know what it is.
It purifies the environment so its done at temples, or at the inauguration of new homes and city projects, and I think there is nothing wrong with it.
I have experienced it so I am saying.
But other type of rituals are just crap. God doesn't want anyone to worship him. He wants peace, equality, and humanity. And having faith in a supreme power doesn't cause any harm. Instead it creates a strength.
speedyguy
Cyborg Agent
yes i know what hawan is n wat it is for... a guy turns up at ur place reads some messages and earns money from u.... n u use some burning stuff with leaves and flowers buds to some further formality and conclude u brought peace to the place.... peace can b easily obtained by humans living at home.... i do it without any hawan if m alone or if others exist but co-operate....
god doesnt want peace humanity etc etc....its we humans who live here want....
everythin is within human mind... i never do such stuff but m living very peacefully coz i know wat i shud do at wat time and how....
Enjoy~!
god doesnt want peace humanity etc etc....its we humans who live here want....
everythin is within human mind... i never do such stuff but m living very peacefully coz i know wat i shud do at wat time and how....
Enjoy~!
rishitells
Always in Dreams...
thats the dumbest evaluation of a Hawan because of your crooked perception about indian traditions and culture. First of all, its not for making money but there is nothing wrong if one does it. At least he is not making money by exploiting poor people or by selling illegal stuff.
And the burning stuff and flower buds you are talking about are not just stuff man, they are of great importance. They are mentioned in scriptures. But there is no sense in telling all this to this because you've no respect for your culture and scriptures, just live with your scientific thoughts.
If there are no cultural diversities, no tradition, no colors, there is no humanity. Imagine a plate with lots of rice, only rice, no Daal or Sabji, nothing to eat with. Would you like it to have as everyday meal, forever??
amitash
Intel OCer
Now tats a "dumb evaluation" they a re super important cus they are mentioned in the scriptures? How do u kno the scriptures are of any great importance at all? How can u just trust a book? Dont u need any valid reason?
Firstly no one has a problem with cultural diversities in general but when they go against pure reason and logic and reprimand you for thinking freely, there comes the problem.. There would still be lots of diversity and even more actually if everyone had his own free views instead of biased garbage.. the daal and sabji in the rice come together to make it a nice tasty dish, but it is only tasy when it comes together equally and mixed properly.. hope u get the point..
speedyguy
Cyborg Agent
now that is really the dumbest answer i got....and exactly wat i was talking about, just talking without any common sense. something like " i have faith" but dunno on what grounds.
so if its not for making money why do they make it. try calling them n ask for free service u will come to know. anything that deals with money is business. so ur doing business for ur scriptures and culture. exploit people and sell illegal stuffs, its better than earning in the name of god, the one whom u respect so much.
2ndly about burning stuffs, we say plants animals and all are created by god, we say cutting them is killing nature and gods creation but later scriptures wants you to cut them and burn them to perform hawan. hats off. about respect i know whom to respect i dont need any person's advice on it. and scientific thoughts? scientific are not thoughts they are facts, what u do is a thought. live with it, kill a human next time like some do. they also worship that way n say its their culture so dont call them wrong.
3rdly from culture, this cultural diversities has brought so many differences in humans. people fight kill each other coz they are of different culture n believe they are different not humans. yes ur right, it brings color to life. color of blood. i just dont understand the sense to compare rice with this. rice with dal doesnt harm anyhow you can eat it, dividing people with culture does it.
Enjoy~!
rishitells
Always in Dreams...
Scriptures, at least of Hindus, never tell you to cut trees or kill any living creature. Even its considered as a sin, a disrespect. Hawan are performed with the stuff you can obtain without cutting and killing anything.
Hawans and other type of sacred spiritual practices are mention in the The Yajur Veda - The Book of Rituals. Yajur Veda is also a liturgical collection and was made to meet the demands of a ceremonial religion. The Yajur Veda practically served as a guidebook for the priests who execute sacrificial acts muttering simultaneously the prose prayers and the sacrificial formulae (‘yajus’). It is similar to ancient Egypt’s “Book of the Dead”.
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::with some reference- internet and some ancient books::
Now you want to prove Vedas as false and inappropriate? The Vedas are supposed to be the origin of all knowledge. As far their importance as the source of earliest human awareness of the universe is considered, they are undisputed and unparalleled in the religious history of India. No religious thought or school in all subsequent years have ignored or disputed them as a source of knowledge. Vedas also lay down the concept of almighty God, nature and deities, without losing focus of the importance of human intention and action.
It will not be wrong to perceive Vedas as the earliest compositions of the very ancient human civilization that was attempting to find its roots, rules and values. The fact that Vedas were communicated by god is just a reflection of their evolution from the awareness about our own self and the universe.
Tell me who gave birth to you? Your parents of course, they existed before you, they taught you every little thing that helped you in your life journey. Now can you say that they don't make any sense?
The same way you are insulting our scriptures, thinking that you are smarter than your those who originally wrote these sacred books....a big shame.
And now comes the scientific facts. Who says Vedas are not scientific. Even scientists are curious about the huge amount of knowledge and facts written in Vedas.
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Concepts of science in vedas which are still beyond modern physics and cosmology. In search of unified theory, there are 22 alternate theories. Vedas indicated that combination of 3 theories is needed for complete cosmology-structures of 13 world levels, field of 10 dimensions, and chain of transformation. You can read the full article here - Frontiers of Science and Vedas.
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People fight and kill each other not because of the cultural difference, but the difference of their thoughts and actions. There can never ever be a single culture because no two humans can agree on all points. Cultures are not dividing people, the people are dividing themselves because of their false ego and feeling of being superior. This is the reason behind all the blood.
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Culture is related to the development of one’s attitude. One’s culture plays an important role in shaping the principles of the individual’s life. The cultural values of an individual have a deep impact on his/her attitude towards life. According to the behaviorist definition of culture, it is the ultimate system of social control where people monitor their own standards and behavior. A community’s culture lays the foundation of the living of its people. The cultural values serve as the founding principles of one’s life. They shape an individual’s thinking and influence his/her mindset.
Why is culture important? It is definitely because it gives an individual a unique identity. The culture of a community gives its people a character of their own. Culture shapes the personality of a community. The language that a community speaks, the art forms it hosts, its staple food, its customs, traditions and festivities comprise the community’s culture. The importance of culture cannot be stressed enough as it is an integral part of living. For those of you interested in exploring the different cultures of the world, here is your guide to world culture and heritage.
source: Why is Culture Important
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furious_gamer
Excessive happiness
@Rishabh_sharma1990
So, what are you upto? By copy-paste such big story....????
So, what are you upto? By copy-paste such big story....????
vamsi_krishna
Human Spambot
Why i am witnessing a debate on culture! Unlike god.. man created culture and he is following them. Leave the poor thing alone. 
furious_gamer
Excessive happiness
^^
If you have been here long ago, this thread would get locked and there would be no debate. You're late.
If you have been here long ago, this thread would get locked and there would be no debate. You're late.
vamsi_krishna
Human Spambot
Oh no... what i meant is.. lets get dirty about what role god had played in Inventing the wifi and a the role science did in restarting a stopped heart. And not about this cultural heritage, diversity, homogeneity, values, integrity, differentiation, probability, diffusion, osmosis and reverse osmosis thing.. which is leading us no where.
btw, that's the nicest way one can put out the words "you are a spammer"
btw, that's the nicest way one can put out the words "you are a spammer"
rishitells
Always in Dreams...
So, you have run out of arguments?
and BTW Its not a copy paste, just wrote it with some reference.
And whether copy-paste or not, its true, and if you are not brave enough to face truth, just leave this debate.
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@vamsi_krishna
Spammer....??
vamsi_krishna
Human Spambot
And whats that truth might be? Sorry... i wasn't following the debate from the beginning.
No big thingy.. just tell it in four lines or less than 400 words.
No big thingy.. just tell it in four lines or less than 400 words.
rishitells
Always in Dreams...
^^
1. I say that God is the ultimate of everything and they want to live on the basis of scientific facts.
2. I say that we should respect our scriptures, and they say its nonsense.
3. I say we must preserve our culture and heritage and they say it creates barrier, blood, violence.
If humanity is happy with the acceptance of existence of God, whats the problem? Live with science and tech, believe in God, Preserve culture, that's humanity in my perspective.
1. I say that God is the ultimate of everything and they want to live on the basis of scientific facts.
2. I say that we should respect our scriptures, and they say its nonsense.
3. I say we must preserve our culture and heritage and they say it creates barrier, blood, violence.
If humanity is happy with the acceptance of existence of God, whats the problem? Live with science and tech, believe in God, Preserve culture, that's humanity in my perspective.
speedyguy
Cyborg Agent
@Rishabh_sharma1990 :
if hawans are not done using any nature killing then what is used for it. ok what do they burn and put up, plastics? stainless steel? or somthing else? cmon man, its not like i have never seen it at temples or home. they use flowers, leaves and woods to burn.
and if culture doesnt create difference then goto pakistan and scream something bad about their culture. let me know if ur back alive. hindu muslims sikh christian are mainly different only coz they worship different god and follow different culture. a hindu family normally avoids marrying in a muslim family or christian only because their culture is different.
if these were not there, there wud have been only one category, humans and humanity, where all wud be same. and still people could eat "dal with chawal"
Enjoy~!
if hawans are not done using any nature killing then what is used for it. ok what do they burn and put up, plastics? stainless steel? or somthing else? cmon man, its not like i have never seen it at temples or home. they use flowers, leaves and woods to burn.
and if culture doesnt create difference then goto pakistan and scream something bad about their culture. let me know if ur back alive. hindu muslims sikh christian are mainly different only coz they worship different god and follow different culture. a hindu family normally avoids marrying in a muslim family or christian only because their culture is different.
if these were not there, there wud have been only one category, humans and humanity, where all wud be same. and still people could eat "dal with chawal"
Enjoy~!
vamsi_krishna
Human Spambot
Thinking that god is ultimate and Living with science is not possible, IMO. What science is purely opposite to the subject of god. Like..
God says..I'm the ultimate. Science says speed of light is the ultimate. Science maybe was the reason for insane amount of caucuses in wars.. but with god's intervention that would have been a lot less. These are only few.. the list goes on and on. So, the god is ultimate... for me the science is the god. Atleast.. it makes scene right...? Believing in science which gives reasons and explains most of the things.. instead of divine god, who don't have any logical explanations for 99% of his phenomenons.
And about the culture.... I'm with you. If culture is what making you stand out in 800corores of population and giving you identity, CHUCK all the things, it won't kill us to live in groups with separate cultures which gives us some identity.
furious_gamer
Excessive happiness
Writing a 2000 words paragraph doesn't mean you know everything. What i want to ask you, whether we are debate for god, or for culture. Now the topic seems to move from "Science or God" to "Cultural Diversity".
And reference -> copy-paste, as we all know you would've copied some part from elsewhere and paste it here. No offense meant on you.
rishitells
Always in Dreams...
^^Dont go off-topic dude. Its a debate of Science or God.
If I referenced something, what's wrong with that? Seems like you are not in the mood to continue the debate. Well I also think its better not to go ahead, because its not going to make any sense, is it?
And I did not want to elaborate on culture, but the post by Mr. SpeedyGuy forced me to do that.
If I referenced something, what's wrong with that? Seems like you are not in the mood to continue the debate. Well I also think its better not to go ahead, because its not going to make any sense, is it?
And I did not want to elaborate on culture, but the post by Mr. SpeedyGuy forced me to do that.
furious_gamer
Excessive happiness
No comment.
Now, thats off-topic. Anyway leave it. I dont want to drag it further.
I strongly believe that science is GOD. And please explain me How you say " I say that God is the ultimate of everything and they want to live on the basis of scientific facts."