amitash said:
I didnt have to...this is a debate...I merely countered his argument...If the oppenent is quoting something then its his job to verify...not mine.
And the only job you think you are left with is "opining" rather than "verifying"? Thats quite a brave logic you have.
amitash said:
I have never said that its not true....Just merely said that you have to look at all the evidence...and i tend to lean towards the side that has more compound evidence....And thats just lean...not totally believe...i will still mostly wait for more evidence...But no evidence of god in thousands of years and that many things that people claim he can do being disproven and are continuing to be disproven, coupled with the way people use god through religion to commit dastardly acts leads me to atheism.
Have you even pondered how "peope use science to commit dastardly acts"? Your ignorance of the matters speaks loud and clear. So if I compile a big list of how science is being used to screw earth and nature, will you convert to theism? Thats again illogic in itself.
amitash said:
I view religions like buddhism and jainism to be a way of life or behaviour...and it doesnt matter to me if they preach intolerance or not....They are still using religion as a controlling tool...
Who is using religion as a controlling tool? I don't see sikhs, buddhists, Hindus constantly fighting. Do u? Also, the Hindus who are aware about their scriptures are quick to identify the corrupt pandits. So again who is controlling?
There exist lost souls in the present era who call themselves as atheist and scientific and yet utter crap when discussing science. A common example,
Student A : How did life originated?
Student B (calling himself scientific): Read Darwin's evolution!
Did you understand the example? Please explain! So again who is controlling?
amitash said:
So you ignore all the good things given by science? You would rather have us live like cave men? Yes for all the good things science has given, its given bad things too...but science itself will find a sollution for the bad things it has given...Like recycling plastic waste for example...We need to progress, to discover new things....after all, science gives most of its inventions to solve problems....Radioactive elements for example...can cure cancer, fuels which are slowly destroying the environment are the reason that we have progressed so much....Scientists see a problem and try to find a solution...more often than not, that solution creates another problem that science has to solve all over again...and that i feel is the beauty of it.
You did not answer my question, but instead you are ranting either emotionally or illogically which is irrelevant to my question. Here's my question again. I asked to you, about yourself and NOT SCIENCE....
mediator said:
Tell me as an atheist how much do you use AC, Oven, refrigerator i.e the things that generate CFC (ozone depeleting chemicals+huge amount of heat generation), vehicles that cause pollution etc? Do you really care about the world?
First you screw the world by generating "global warming", undisposible nuclear waste, choking water piper coz of plastic etc as a result of human greed and luxury, use "science" and "scientific advancements" as a tool for it and later cry crocodile tears!
Is science bad or the person who is exploiting science?
I hope you understand that "caring about the world" also means caring about animals.
Please answer!
amitash said:
And i do not have any such "faith in science"...I dont have any faith in anything at all...just evidence and conclusions drawn by them...
amitash said:
but science itself will find a sollution for the bad things it has given
Your statements so far....
1. Science will do this and that.
2. It "will" find a solution to the all the screw ups.
3. Generalizations on theists, and agnostics.
4. Defining science, instead of talking the science behind. Talking superficial, instead of scientific explanations!
Do you really think you are doing any beter than a religious extremist who tries to impose his thoughts, religion etc on other? I can only see "intolerance" in your statements for those who "differ" in the viewpoint and then ranting when someone questions your "faith" asking stupid and irrelevant questions like "Have you forgotten what science has done for us?".
Regarding your emotional rants let us scrutinize your post again.
amitash said:
So you ignore all the good things given by science? You would rather have us live like cave men? Yes for all the good things science has given, its given bad things too...but science itself will find a sollution for the bad things it has given...Like recycling plastic waste for example...We need to progress, to discover new things....after all, science gives most of its inventions to solve problems....Radioactive elements for example...can cure cancer, fuels which are slowly destroying the environment are the reason that we have progressed so much....Scientists see a problem and try to find a solution...more often than not, that solution creates another problem that science has to solve all over again...and that i feel is the beauty of it.
1. I don't think Indian history had "cavemen" in it. Science was there in the past too. High, low. I dunno! But the scriptures and history themselves speak how luxurious a life "many" of them lived. Before continuing on your logic, do note the percentage of Indians below poverty line in the present era.
2. Who exactly will find the solution? How can you "predict"? Will they find a solution after all the global warming is at its peak and tsuamis becoming a regular phenoma?
3. Do you realise that you are equating destruction of environment with "progression"?
4. You find beauty in creating a problem first and then creating more problem as a result of pursuit of a solution for the previous one?
Speaking big about science, considering your thoughts as superior to others, calling others who differ as narrow minded etc, you clearly are not living upto your mark. Also, I asked you to read what scientists say and opine on it. A true scientific soul should rather be eager to digest matters of science instead of being reminded twice!
So @amitash...
1. You don't want to "read".
2. You don't want to talk "details".
3. You speak as if science "will" find cure for all the problems it created.
4. Only ranting that science will do this and that...
And then you say that you don't have such faith in science?
You know, "luck" and "hope" are as illogical as a "prayer" and in typical definition one who "prays" is called a "theist". You are only "hoping" big from science.