*** Science Or God? ***
fun2sh
Pawned!... Beyond GODLIKE
Re: ***science Or God?***
"TWO WORKING HANDS CAN DO MUCH MORE THAN THOUSANDS HANDS CLASPED IN PRAYER"
speedyguy is quite right. all modern lavishness n facilities which has brought all of us at the tps of button is gift of science. WAT SO CALLED GOD HAD DONE. NOTHIN!!!.
"TWO WORKING HANDS CAN DO MUCH MORE THAN THOUSANDS HANDS CLASPED IN PRAYER"
speedyguy is quite right. all modern lavishness n facilities which has brought all of us at the tps of button is gift of science. WAT SO CALLED GOD HAD DONE. NOTHIN!!!.
solomon_paulraj
666
Re: ***science Or God?***
what does science say about evolution.. "started from single cell organism... and the story goes on.." but can science give explanation on how that single cell organism was formed...
can any of you believers of science explain this...
what does science say about evolution.. "started from single cell organism... and the story goes on.." but can science give explanation on how that single cell organism was formed...
can any of you believers of science explain this...
Yamaraj
The Lord of Death
Re: ***science Or God?***
Besides, science is like playing with lego blocks that already exist. Scientists are only "discovering" the natural powers and using them to create luxurious toys. It's not like they are "creating" matter or energy and utilizing them. Those who understand higher sciences, will tell you that it's not easy to discard the concept of a "creator", or creators. Scientists don't even understand the differences between matter and energy yet. I, therefore, advise people to not turn into arrogant automatons without a knowledge of "self".
Provided that only a few finite physical laws govern most of the natural forces, and affect our actions and reactions - how can you say that we're not being simulated inside a quantum computer? And, what if it's the tutles all the way down?
Whether or not you believe in a god or gods - it's still a matter of "belief" - for you cannot prove or disprove their existence.speedyguy said:
Besides, science is like playing with lego blocks that already exist. Scientists are only "discovering" the natural powers and using them to create luxurious toys. It's not like they are "creating" matter or energy and utilizing them. Those who understand higher sciences, will tell you that it's not easy to discard the concept of a "creator", or creators. Scientists don't even understand the differences between matter and energy yet. I, therefore, advise people to not turn into arrogant automatons without a knowledge of "self".
Provided that only a few finite physical laws govern most of the natural forces, and affect our actions and reactions - how can you say that we're not being simulated inside a quantum computer? And, what if it's the tutles all the way down?
fun2sh
Pawned!... Beyond GODLIKE
Re: ***science Or God?***
n if u r sayin that god created us all then who created god. its like ur own question on evolution.
hav u seen any animal prayin god???
SCIENCE HAS PROVED MANY THINGS N IT WILL FIND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION TOO. why dont u look at the history. ppl used to believe several things n use to say "can sceince prove or explain it. its the god which is doin n BLAH.. BLAH.." but science has given nice answeres to all that n wil one day even prove the non existence of god n that it is just an imagination of human mind n that human mind gives the name of god wen it i unable to understand something.solomon_paulraj said:
n if u r sayin that god created us all then who created god. its like ur own question on evolution.
hav u seen any animal prayin god???
solomon_paulraj
666
Re: ***science Or God?***
animals live in the way God told,
but its humans who have destroyed nature for his own personal needs,
humans are finding out hidden things in the name of science,
only if humans lived as God created them,
he would have gone still further in his existence.
remember the Great pyramids, babylon gardens, and other man made marvels, why cant human create such things when he has so much advanced scientific knowledge...
The reason.. man has forgotten God..
animals live in the way God told,
but its humans who have destroyed nature for his own personal needs,
humans are finding out hidden things in the name of science,
only if humans lived as God created them,
he would have gone still further in his existence.
remember the Great pyramids, babylon gardens, and other man made marvels, why cant human create such things when he has so much advanced scientific knowledge...
The reason.. man has forgotten God..
fun2sh
Pawned!... Beyond GODLIKE
Re: ***science Or God?***
i think u r not seein DISCOVERY OR NATGEO. sceince has created more sopisticated n marvelous things than those pyramids. we only admire pyramids coz it was very advanced technolgy for man at that time.
who says man cant create pyramid or baby lone garden with help of science.solomon_paulraj said:
i think u r not seein DISCOVERY OR NATGEO. sceince has created more sopisticated n marvelous things than those pyramids. we only admire pyramids coz it was very advanced technolgy for man at that time.
solomon_paulraj
666
Re: ***science Or God?***
yes.. man is creating sophisticated n marvelous things right now... but the reason they admire the olden days creations is because... humans created those ancient marvels without the help of any new scientific machineries...
and the only force which could have helped him is GOD...
yes.. man is creating sophisticated n marvelous things right now... but the reason they admire the olden days creations is because... humans created those ancient marvels without the help of any new scientific machineries...
and the only force which could have helped him is GOD...
solomon_paulraj
666
Re: ***science Or God?***
yes.. people will laugh on things which they dont understand,...
you mean NATURAL SELECTION...
FYI... DARWIN WAS A THEIST at the time of writing the Origin of Species...;D
yes.. people will laugh on things which they dont understand,...
kenshin1988 said:
you mean NATURAL SELECTION...
FYI... DARWIN WAS A THEIST at the time of writing the Origin of Species...;D
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speedyguy
Cyborg Agent
Re: ***science Or God?***
"Originally Posted by solomon_paulraj
what does science say about evolution.. "started from single cell organism... and the story goes on.." but can science give explanation on how that single cell organism was formed...
can any of you believers of science explain this..."
it can may at later or sooner or some part of it for while...
can god explain this??? if yes plz ask him to
Enjoy~!
"Originally Posted by solomon_paulraj
what does science say about evolution.. "started from single cell organism... and the story goes on.." but can science give explanation on how that single cell organism was formed...
can any of you believers of science explain this..."
it can may at later or sooner or some part of it for while...
can god explain this??? if yes plz ask him to
Enjoy~!
sadabakwas
Right off the assembly line
Re: ***science Or God?***
But you most certainly can! Science itself proves God exists. When you see a building, or furniture, or cars or anything else - you know there was someone who created it. Nothing creates itself out of nowhere.
By denying God, you are going against hard sceince. You don't have to choose between God and science, all you have to do is to use the latter realize the former.
Yamaraj said:
But you most certainly can! Science itself proves God exists. When you see a building, or furniture, or cars or anything else - you know there was someone who created it. Nothing creates itself out of nowhere.
By denying God, you are going against hard sceince. You don't have to choose between God and science, all you have to do is to use the latter realize the former.
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like i said in my last post. "how the single celled organism was created in the first place" basically asks the same thing; how were we created.
both religion and science have thier own different points of view. however with religion every religion has its own belief as none are based on fact.
with science we have different theories all of which are probable and based on fact. one of the newer ones that was first brought to light to the majority through books like "the footprints of god" and angels and demons is that life and matter are made of energy. But you make a point. how did something organic spring from something inorganic? we may never know
like i said in my last post. "how the single celled organism was created in the first place" basically asks the same thing; how were we created.
both religion and science have thier own different points of view. however with religion every religion has its own belief as none are based on fact.
with science we have different theories all of which are probable and based on fact. one of the newer ones that was first brought to light to the majority through books like "the footprints of god" and angels and demons is that life and matter are made of energy. But you make a point. how did something organic spring from something inorganic? we may never know
Yamaraj
The Lord of Death
Re: ***science Or God?***
Science doesn't make the point to prove or disprove any "G"od. It's a quest for knowledge - no more, no less. Even though there are many things indeed beyond its reach, it doesn't tantamount to the exietense of a prophet or a messiah or a god.sadabakwas said:
chatterjeesayan
Broken In
Re: ***science Or God?***
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS:
1>DOES SCIENCE CONTRADICT GOD?
2>WHAT IS GOD?
3>WHAT IS SCIENCE?And what is its aim?
First ask yourself these three questions and find the answer.I can bet that 95% of haven't thought deeply on this matter.
Firstly the aim of science is not to make mobiles and computers for us.It has a greater meaning.It finds Truth.Religion also finds Truth.Where science ends religion starts.And what is religion,Swami Vivekananda puts it..
"You must bear in mind that religion does not consist in talk, or doctrines, or books, but in realisation; it is not learning, but being. ..."
"Experience is the only source of knowledge. In the world, religion is the only source where there is no surety, because it is not taught as a science of experience. This should not be. There is always, however, a small group of men who teach religion from experience. They are called mystics, and these mystics in every religion speak the same tongue and teach the same truth. This is the real science of religion. As mathematics in every part of the world does not differ, so the mystics do not differ. They are all similarly constituted and similarly situated. Their experience is the same; and this becomes law.
In the church, religionists first learn a religion, then begin to practise it; they do not take experience as the basis of their belief. But the mystic starts out in search of truth, experiences it first, and then formulates his creed. The church takes the experience of others; the mystic has his own experience. The church goes from the outside in; the mystic goes from the inside out.
Religion deals with the truths of the metaphysical world just as chemistry and the other natural sciences deal with the truths of the physical world. The book one must read to learn chemistry is the book of nature. The book from which to learn religion is your own mind and heart. The sage is often ignorant of physical science, because he reads the wrong book -- the book within; and the scientist is too often ignorant of religion, because he too reads the wrong book -- the book without.
All science has its particular methods; so has the science of religion. It has more methods also, because it has more material to work upon. The human mind is not homogeneous like the external world. According to the different nature, there must be different methods. As some special sense predominates in a person -- one person will see most, another will hear most -- so there is a predominant mental sense; and through this gate must each reach his own mind. Yet through all minds runs a unity, and there is a science which may be applied to all. This science of religion is based on the analysis of the human soul. It has no creed.
No one form of religion will do for all. Each is a pearl on a string. We must be particular above all else to find individuality in each. No man is born to any religion; he has a religion in his own soul. Any system which seeks to destroy individuality is in the long run disastrous. Each life has a current running though it, and this current will eventually take it to God. The end and aim of all religions is to realise God. The greatest of all training is to worship God alone. If each man chose his own ideal and stuck to it, all religious controversy would vanish."...Swami Vivekananda
Realisation of what?Realisation of Ultimate Truth.
Science is also seeking the truth,though in a different way,the Ultimate Truth,which God.
Mahatma Gandhi puts it..."Truth is God".
God is existence,knowledge,bliss.And we all are immortal children of bliss.Existence is our nature,Knowledge is our nature,Bliss is our nature.The aim of our life is to attain God,the Truth or to be Truth,the Brahman.God surely doesn't differentiate between an atheist and theist,a Hindu or a Muslim,because he is all Love.
So don't misinterpret God.Don't think that everything uexplained,everything mysterious is God and everything explained is science.God has no rival,he is all Love,not different from us.
Vedas,Bible and other religious books show us the to God,not to the aliens but to the Truth.
Feynnman's lectures on Physics,History of Time also leads us to truth...relative truth.
To quote Albert Einstein:
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
"...Those whose acquaintance with scientific research is derived chiefly from its practical results easily develop a completely false notion of the mentality of the men who, surrounded by a skeptical world, have shown the way to kindred spirits scattered wide through the world and through the centuries. Only one who has devoted his life to similar ends can have a vivid realization of what has inspired these men and given them the strength to remain true to their purpose in spite of countless failures...."
SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKES SCIENCE JUST BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THEM GADGETS AND LUXURIOUS ITEMS,their mind is so immatured that THEY CAN NOT LOVE SCIENCE,they don't have the right to insult our great SCIENCE.
So,don't quarrel,Science can not cotradict God,Science did not contradict God,Science will not contradict God.
WE ARE TRUTH ITSELF...THE AIM OF LIFE IS TO BE TRUTH,TO ATTAIN TRUTH...NOT TO DO A SERVICE OFFERING 50000 PER MONT!!!!
Logical...not stupid,thoughtless...arguments are welcome.
Note the quotations of Albert Einstein:
"When we consider the various existing religions as to their essential substance, that is, divested of their myths, they do not seem to me to differ as basically from each other as the proponents of the "relativistic" or conventional theory wish us to believe. And this is by no means surprising. For the moral attitudes of a people that is supported by religion need always aim at preserving and promoting the sanity and vitality of the community and its individuals, since otherwise this community is bound to perish. A people that were to honor falsehood, defamation, fraud, and murder would be unable, indeed, to subsist for very long."
"The interpretation of religion, as here advanced, implies a dependence of science on the religious attitude, a relation which, in our predominantly materialistic age, is only too easily overlooked. While it is true that scientific results are entirely independent from religious or moral considerations, those individuals to whom we owe the great creative achievements of science were all of them imbued with the truly religious conviction that this universe of ours is something perfect and susceptible to the rational striving for knowledge. If this conviction had not been a strongly emotional one and if those searching for knowledge had not been inspired by Spinoza's Amor Dei Intellectualis, they wouid hardly have been capable of that untiring devotion which alone enables man to attain his greatest achievements."
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS:
1>DOES SCIENCE CONTRADICT GOD?
2>WHAT IS GOD?
3>WHAT IS SCIENCE?And what is its aim?
First ask yourself these three questions and find the answer.I can bet that 95% of haven't thought deeply on this matter.
Firstly the aim of science is not to make mobiles and computers for us.It has a greater meaning.It finds Truth.Religion also finds Truth.Where science ends religion starts.And what is religion,Swami Vivekananda puts it..
"You must bear in mind that religion does not consist in talk, or doctrines, or books, but in realisation; it is not learning, but being. ..."
"Experience is the only source of knowledge. In the world, religion is the only source where there is no surety, because it is not taught as a science of experience. This should not be. There is always, however, a small group of men who teach religion from experience. They are called mystics, and these mystics in every religion speak the same tongue and teach the same truth. This is the real science of religion. As mathematics in every part of the world does not differ, so the mystics do not differ. They are all similarly constituted and similarly situated. Their experience is the same; and this becomes law.
In the church, religionists first learn a religion, then begin to practise it; they do not take experience as the basis of their belief. But the mystic starts out in search of truth, experiences it first, and then formulates his creed. The church takes the experience of others; the mystic has his own experience. The church goes from the outside in; the mystic goes from the inside out.
Religion deals with the truths of the metaphysical world just as chemistry and the other natural sciences deal with the truths of the physical world. The book one must read to learn chemistry is the book of nature. The book from which to learn religion is your own mind and heart. The sage is often ignorant of physical science, because he reads the wrong book -- the book within; and the scientist is too often ignorant of religion, because he too reads the wrong book -- the book without.
All science has its particular methods; so has the science of religion. It has more methods also, because it has more material to work upon. The human mind is not homogeneous like the external world. According to the different nature, there must be different methods. As some special sense predominates in a person -- one person will see most, another will hear most -- so there is a predominant mental sense; and through this gate must each reach his own mind. Yet through all minds runs a unity, and there is a science which may be applied to all. This science of religion is based on the analysis of the human soul. It has no creed.
No one form of religion will do for all. Each is a pearl on a string. We must be particular above all else to find individuality in each. No man is born to any religion; he has a religion in his own soul. Any system which seeks to destroy individuality is in the long run disastrous. Each life has a current running though it, and this current will eventually take it to God. The end and aim of all religions is to realise God. The greatest of all training is to worship God alone. If each man chose his own ideal and stuck to it, all religious controversy would vanish."...Swami Vivekananda
Realisation of what?Realisation of Ultimate Truth.
Science is also seeking the truth,though in a different way,the Ultimate Truth,which God.
Mahatma Gandhi puts it..."Truth is God".
God is existence,knowledge,bliss.And we all are immortal children of bliss.Existence is our nature,Knowledge is our nature,Bliss is our nature.The aim of our life is to attain God,the Truth or to be Truth,the Brahman.God surely doesn't differentiate between an atheist and theist,a Hindu or a Muslim,because he is all Love.
So don't misinterpret God.Don't think that everything uexplained,everything mysterious is God and everything explained is science.God has no rival,he is all Love,not different from us.
Vedas,Bible and other religious books show us the to God,not to the aliens but to the Truth.
Feynnman's lectures on Physics,History of Time also leads us to truth...relative truth.
To quote Albert Einstein:
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
"...Those whose acquaintance with scientific research is derived chiefly from its practical results easily develop a completely false notion of the mentality of the men who, surrounded by a skeptical world, have shown the way to kindred spirits scattered wide through the world and through the centuries. Only one who has devoted his life to similar ends can have a vivid realization of what has inspired these men and given them the strength to remain true to their purpose in spite of countless failures...."
SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKES SCIENCE JUST BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THEM GADGETS AND LUXURIOUS ITEMS,their mind is so immatured that THEY CAN NOT LOVE SCIENCE,they don't have the right to insult our great SCIENCE.
So,don't quarrel,Science can not cotradict God,Science did not contradict God,Science will not contradict God.
WE ARE TRUTH ITSELF...THE AIM OF LIFE IS TO BE TRUTH,TO ATTAIN TRUTH...NOT TO DO A SERVICE OFFERING 50000 PER MONT!!!!
Logical...not stupid,thoughtless...arguments are welcome.
Note the quotations of Albert Einstein:
"When we consider the various existing religions as to their essential substance, that is, divested of their myths, they do not seem to me to differ as basically from each other as the proponents of the "relativistic" or conventional theory wish us to believe. And this is by no means surprising. For the moral attitudes of a people that is supported by religion need always aim at preserving and promoting the sanity and vitality of the community and its individuals, since otherwise this community is bound to perish. A people that were to honor falsehood, defamation, fraud, and murder would be unable, indeed, to subsist for very long."
"The interpretation of religion, as here advanced, implies a dependence of science on the religious attitude, a relation which, in our predominantly materialistic age, is only too easily overlooked. While it is true that scientific results are entirely independent from religious or moral considerations, those individuals to whom we owe the great creative achievements of science were all of them imbued with the truly religious conviction that this universe of ours is something perfect and susceptible to the rational striving for knowledge. If this conviction had not been a strongly emotional one and if those searching for knowledge had not been inspired by Spinoza's Amor Dei Intellectualis, they wouid hardly have been capable of that untiring devotion which alone enables man to attain his greatest achievements."
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karnivore
in your face..
Re: ***science Or God?***
@chatterjeesayan
Quite an interesting post. You hav dropped a couple of really heavy names But as always, rebuttal is necessary to get to the root of the arguments. And one more thing. We all know what these great men thought about religion, was it absolutely necessary to drag their names in a dog fight like this. It would hav been really nice if u shared your own views through your experiences and not through someone elses mouth. Anyway……….
“The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins, actually explains, with convincing scientific explanations, the reason of existence. It might come as a shock, but the purpose of life has got nothing to do with anything divine. Instead it argues, which is accepted by most of evolutionary biologists, that the purpose of existence is nothing but as simple as duplicating and propagating our genes, following Darwin's “natural selection”. That’s all. Everything else, like achieving greater truth etc. etc. is talked of just to give a moral and ethical acceptance of “life”. Right from the time of your birth till your death, whatever u do, see, learn, love, hate etc, has no purpose at all, except of course enriching your existence. The purpose of “your” existence is simply to make sure that your gene can duplicate and continue with “its” existence.
Human beings hav understanding, a sense of quality and a sense of “purpose”. That’s why we can “think” of achieving so called higher truth. But what about animals. Are they too looking for higher truth? If they are not aware of their own “existence” or ,in the words of Rabindranath Tagore, “bastabata”(Bengali for “reality”) how will they look for the “higher truth”. Think of an ant, a millipede or even your pet dog. We are part of that biological bubble, only with a bigger and more complicated brains.
Well Swami Vivekananda was not in a position to know these (the book was written in 1976). Also Swami, looked at everything from a “Hindu” point of view. If u carefully read his books - don’t need to read all the 12 volumes, just read first 4 volumes – U will find myriad contradictions and criticism of other religion, particularly Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. If all religions are “pearls on the ring”, then whats with this tendency of “Hinduism is right and all other religions are wrong”. In your post itself u will find subtle criticism of Christianity. He is at best a “revivalist”. Seriously, if I hav to understand religion, without the biasness of Hinduism or for that matter any religion, I would rather look at Max Weber than Swamiji.
As with Albert Einstein, the greatest scientist the world has ever seen and will probably see, criticism is of different kind. He started his scientific quest, questioning god. But as he made discoveries he slowly became convinced that something called God exists. And that’s when he started to make mistakes. He became a staunch critique of “Theory of Quantum Mechanics”, simply it contradicted his concept of God. Remember his famous words “God does not play dice”, while he was referring to the essence of unpredictability of sub-atomic particles suggested by Quantum Mechanics. The scientific world stood hanging their jaw as more and more lab tests started to prove QM and Einstein became all the more adamant in proving his point. Today, QM is the core essence of studying sub-atomic particles.
Later he became a staunch supporter of Zionism. But the moral of the story is that, even the greatest scientific brain in the world can make mistake when confronted with convincing truth against ones belief.
This debate is practically never ending.
If u feel god or religion gives u strength, then let it be that way, as long as u don’t become a Klu-Klux-Klan, or Taliban or RSS.
@chatterjeesayan
Quite an interesting post. You hav dropped a couple of really heavy names But as always, rebuttal is necessary to get to the root of the arguments. And one more thing. We all know what these great men thought about religion, was it absolutely necessary to drag their names in a dog fight like this. It would hav been really nice if u shared your own views through your experiences and not through someone elses mouth. Anyway……….
“The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins, actually explains, with convincing scientific explanations, the reason of existence. It might come as a shock, but the purpose of life has got nothing to do with anything divine. Instead it argues, which is accepted by most of evolutionary biologists, that the purpose of existence is nothing but as simple as duplicating and propagating our genes, following Darwin's “natural selection”. That’s all. Everything else, like achieving greater truth etc. etc. is talked of just to give a moral and ethical acceptance of “life”. Right from the time of your birth till your death, whatever u do, see, learn, love, hate etc, has no purpose at all, except of course enriching your existence. The purpose of “your” existence is simply to make sure that your gene can duplicate and continue with “its” existence.
Human beings hav understanding, a sense of quality and a sense of “purpose”. That’s why we can “think” of achieving so called higher truth. But what about animals. Are they too looking for higher truth? If they are not aware of their own “existence” or ,in the words of Rabindranath Tagore, “bastabata”(Bengali for “reality”) how will they look for the “higher truth”. Think of an ant, a millipede or even your pet dog. We are part of that biological bubble, only with a bigger and more complicated brains.
Well Swami Vivekananda was not in a position to know these (the book was written in 1976). Also Swami, looked at everything from a “Hindu” point of view. If u carefully read his books - don’t need to read all the 12 volumes, just read first 4 volumes – U will find myriad contradictions and criticism of other religion, particularly Christianity, Islam and Buddhism. If all religions are “pearls on the ring”, then whats with this tendency of “Hinduism is right and all other religions are wrong”. In your post itself u will find subtle criticism of Christianity. He is at best a “revivalist”. Seriously, if I hav to understand religion, without the biasness of Hinduism or for that matter any religion, I would rather look at Max Weber than Swamiji.
As with Albert Einstein, the greatest scientist the world has ever seen and will probably see, criticism is of different kind. He started his scientific quest, questioning god. But as he made discoveries he slowly became convinced that something called God exists. And that’s when he started to make mistakes. He became a staunch critique of “Theory of Quantum Mechanics”, simply it contradicted his concept of God. Remember his famous words “God does not play dice”, while he was referring to the essence of unpredictability of sub-atomic particles suggested by Quantum Mechanics. The scientific world stood hanging their jaw as more and more lab tests started to prove QM and Einstein became all the more adamant in proving his point. Today, QM is the core essence of studying sub-atomic particles.
Later he became a staunch supporter of Zionism. But the moral of the story is that, even the greatest scientific brain in the world can make mistake when confronted with convincing truth against ones belief.
This debate is practically never ending.
If u feel god or religion gives u strength, then let it be that way, as long as u don’t become a Klu-Klux-Klan, or Taliban or RSS.
zyberboy
dá ûnrêäl Kiñg
Re: ***science Or God?***
Too early to say convincingly that the "purpose of life is purposeless".if we look at evolution alone it is right tat its only goal is to pass the genes to next generation, but we cant deny the ultimate truth "atma" self, QM says tat every single particle is aware of all the events in the entire universe,its like a universal consciousness,its wt called as the "Truth is god".Universe is self aware that it exist. Our consciousness are just part of that whole thing.Like i said it is too early for humans to say anything convincingly as we may have only know .1% of the real truth or we may never will as the real truth is too good for our limited mind
karnivore said:
Too early to say convincingly that the "purpose of life is purposeless".if we look at evolution alone it is right tat its only goal is to pass the genes to next generation, but we cant deny the ultimate truth "atma" self, QM says tat every single particle is aware of all the events in the entire universe,its like a universal consciousness,its wt called as the "Truth is god".Universe is self aware that it exist. Our consciousness are just part of that whole thing.Like i said it is too early for humans to say anything convincingly as we may have only know .1% of the real truth or we may never will as the real truth is too good for our limited mind