PC Buying Guide - March 2011
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could you please remove the spoiler tags from first post? It does not look good imo...
@vicky: The 550VX aint such an awesome PSU, friend got it recently, died in 2 weeks. Its made by CWT and not seasonic who made the 450VX. Having said that, my 550VX is going strong
The GS600 is not worth the price IMO, i mean, they have said it gives 600W at 40C,IIRC PSUs tend to get a bit hotter than that, 80plus certification has lowered its standards or what?
@vicky: The 550VX aint such an awesome PSU, friend got it recently, died in 2 weeks. Its made by CWT and not seasonic who made the 450VX. Having said that, my 550VX is going strong
The GS600 is not worth the price IMO, i mean, they have said it gives 600W at 40C,IIRC PSUs tend to get a bit hotter than that, 80plus certification has lowered its standards or what?
mitraark
Decrepit
Yes i am going to buy the i5 750 ,i have been quoted a price of 8.1k in Kolkata [ 4% VAT Extra though ], although it was the lowest price i got after i asked in quite a few shop , if you go into any shop they might quote a price of upto Rs 300-400 more than that.
Any recommendation for a good Motherboard for the i5 750 ? I do not need anything for overclocking or SLI , , no USB3 SATA 3 needed, just a basic Mobo.
Any recommendation for a good Motherboard for the i5 750 ? I do not need anything for overclocking or SLI , , no USB3 SATA 3 needed, just a basic Mobo.
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Jaskanwar Singh
Aspiring Novelist
Vicky i was away from home for a few days. Will reach today or tommorow and update the guide.
Mitraark look at gigabyte p55m ud2 @ 6.4k
Mitraark look at gigabyte p55m ud2 @ 6.4k
vickybat
I am the night...I am...
@ mitraark
Buddy you can also pair the i5 750 with an h55 chipset based board and save up cash if you don't want to tweak your cpu.
CHECK THIS - Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2 @ 3.6k
Use a discrete card as i5 750 doesn't have on chip gpu like 6 series (which are pathetic in gaming).
Buddy you can also pair the i5 750 with an h55 chipset based board and save up cash if you don't want to tweak your cpu.
CHECK THIS - Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2 @ 3.6k
Use a discrete card as i5 750 doesn't have on chip gpu like 6 series (which are pathetic in gaming).
mitraark
Decrepit
The motherboard is MicroATX and only 2xRAM slots
??I am going to get the following Config , and i am only unsure about the GFX card. Since i don;t game much i was thinking Sapphire 5670 1GB , but now looking at my config [ Check here i am starting to think if a better GFX card should be there like ATI 6850
The Sorcerer
oh wow...Xenforo!!!
Just my 2 cents advice to people who advice others. Just don't advice people by pairing a board with 4+1 power phase and with a 125w processor. Do you really think a board with a 4 pin atx power connector can supply that much power without stressting it? Even if the brands+ magazines+ some brilliant reviewer+ some advisors who recommend for name sake say it will work, its just going to stress the phase and the mosfets, eventually putting load on the processor's voltage supply. The board will be the least of your concerns as it will burn the processor as well.
A prime example from overclock.net:
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This is exactly the reason why some advisors need to stop recommending just by cramping hardware within a price for the sake of it. Its the people's money that is getting wasted because of such advices and you obviously will blame it on something else because you obviously don't know how things work. Take extra care and do a proper research before blabbing about it.
For everyone's knowledge the board is MSI 890GXM-G65 but this applies for any board with 4+1 power phase put up in a ridiculous manner and supposedly "compatible" with 125w processors. I told to some people it needs 8 pin EPS ATX cable+ more/better phase control, but sadly people just won't listen.
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What's the difference between 4+1? and 8+1? An overclocker names chew* puts it out in layman's terms:
A prime example from overclock.net:
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This is exactly the reason why some advisors need to stop recommending just by cramping hardware within a price for the sake of it. Its the people's money that is getting wasted because of such advices and you obviously will blame it on something else because you obviously don't know how things work. Take extra care and do a proper research before blabbing about it.
For everyone's knowledge the board is MSI 890GXM-G65 but this applies for any board with 4+1 power phase put up in a ridiculous manner and supposedly "compatible" with 125w processors. I told to some people it needs 8 pin EPS ATX cable+ more/better phase control, but sadly people just won't listen.
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What's the difference between 4+1? and 8+1? An overclocker names chew* puts it out in layman's terms:
4/8 phase is made specifically for CPU voltage. +1/2/3/4/whatever is made for the memory so unless you overclock rams, it doesn't matter much (i said matter much- I didn't it doesn't matter at all). But if 4+1 is done, not only better mosfets+ phase are supposed to be used, but also the circuit needs to be made in such a way that there is no stress between the EPS ATX connector and the Phase to the processor. It adds up to the cost and hassles, hence 8+1 is better off according to *some* companies.Chew*@XS said:
The Sorcerer
oh wow...Xenforo!!!
It is not overclocked and quiet and cool was enabled.
. As I've said, its MSI 890GXM-G65.
Its and AMD 890G board paired with an x6 normally on 60-80% load whenever it was used. The board caught on fire- literally. See the damage you can actually see the copper plate through the top burnt PCB layer. I have also seen some board where the soldering is done all the way through the board but rather till the surface of the board.
One of the visible mistakes done on the board:
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It is not even an intel chipset board with LGA 1156 socket
. As I've said, its MSI 890GXM-G65. Its and AMD 890G board paired with an x6 normally on 60-80% load whenever it was used. The board caught on fire- literally. See the damage you can actually see the copper plate through the top burnt PCB layer. I have also seen some board where the soldering is done all the way through the board but rather till the surface of the board.
One of the visible mistakes done on the board:
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Jaskanwar Singh
Aspiring Novelist
^^got that sorcerer. will look into it and update the guide accordingly. thanks for the info. but now 1055t is in 95w also, is it available freely??
how to identify 1055T 95W??
also then 955BE and other processors would become out of the reach of common man because i dont see any budget board with 8+1 phase power design!! now what??
how to identify 1055T 95W??
also then 955BE and other processors would become out of the reach of common man because i dont see any budget board with 8+1 phase power design!! now what??
The Sorcerer
oh wow...Xenforo!!!
I am sure you must have seen some processor reviews where they mention model numbers for processors? This is one of the reasons why. The specific model number will be there on the box. The number is HDT55TWFK6DGR.
Use this to know about the processor using this: AMD Athlon, Athlon XP and Athlon MP identification
This is how you'll know if even the box packaging is same. Models/rev number/manufacturers' date- it matters.
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If you think that my language is offensive, dont. Just use this opportunity to learn. Same goes for other advisors. As one said in E forums- you read ****, you learn ****! Here comes the un-**** process!!
i3 530+ decent enough board not good enough for him? For most (even now) those "common man" are sticking to e5200/e7200+ g31 chipset boards which still does the good thing for them, right? If he wants something more- he is not a "common man". He's a man with specific needs. When you can't accomodate something decent enough in a tight budget, do the right thing and explain. But you're trying to squeeze everything possible within a budget, but ignoring the fact that its not balanced enough that it will last long. This is wrong. Out of all the people who have such problems, atleast one of them are able to contact me. One of the most common thing I heard- they were recommended by the digit guys. I didn't ask him if it was the magazine's build guide or the forums- but there ya go!
Use this to know about the processor using this: AMD Athlon, Athlon XP and Athlon MP identification
This is how you'll know if even the box packaging is same. Models/rev number/manufacturers' date- it matters.
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If you think that my language is offensive, dont. Just use this opportunity to learn. Same goes for other advisors. As one said in E forums- you read ****, you learn ****! Here comes the un-**** process!!
What will the "common man" do with 955BE?
i3 530+ decent enough board not good enough for him? For most (even now) those "common man" are sticking to e5200/e7200+ g31 chipset boards which still does the good thing for them, right? If he wants something more- he is not a "common man". He's a man with specific needs. When you can't accomodate something decent enough in a tight budget, do the right thing and explain. But you're trying to squeeze everything possible within a budget, but ignoring the fact that its not balanced enough that it will last long. This is wrong. Out of all the people who have such problems, atleast one of them are able to contact me. One of the most common thing I heard- they were recommended by the digit guys. I didn't ask him if it was the magazine's build guide or the forums- but there ya go!
You're the man who brought back PC buying guide so do a proper research. You have the internets. All you need to do is read and understand those reviews.
excellent initiative jasji
but iam kinda neglegient about intel configs now since sandy bridge is due.
by the way i would like more workstation configs,and the abov 100k configs are quiet strange since they spend more on enthusiast lifestyle stuff,no multiple display but more ssd's why so.
and in workstations dual displays or lcd tvs are used ,well that depends on the artist but ithink including wacom tablet and the os price would be good.
and i dont how many are in for it but workstation boards and xeons will be good addition.
and yes why cant 120k configs house 980x and 990x? and please do include thermaltek level 10 case if its avbl here.
and one last question isnt cilus tx850w an overkill for his rig,if not how?
but iam kinda neglegient about intel configs now since sandy bridge is due.
by the way i would like more workstation configs,and the abov 100k configs are quiet strange since they spend more on enthusiast lifestyle stuff,no multiple display but more ssd's why so.
and in workstations dual displays or lcd tvs are used ,well that depends on the artist but ithink including wacom tablet and the os price would be good.
and i dont how many are in for it but workstation boards and xeons will be good addition.
and yes why cant 120k configs house 980x and 990x? and please do include thermaltek level 10 case if its avbl here.
and one last question isnt cilus tx850w an overkill for his rig,if not how?
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Jaskanwar Singh
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ok sorcerer i am into research now!!
found ASUS M4A87TD EVO @ 6.4k
its 8+1 phase power design and would make ideal combo with x6's and 955 or 965. it has got positive feedback on newegg but not able to find a review
found ASUS M4A87TD EVO @ 6.4k
its 8+1 phase power design and would make ideal combo with x6's and 955 or 965. it has got positive feedback on newegg but not able to find a review
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Jaskanwar Singh
Aspiring Novelist
^^how much can you spend??
nbaztec
Master KOD3R
@Sorcy: This goes only when you OC right? coz these parts are often given some headroom (tolerance) for sudden surges of peak power.
The 4pin 12V ATX is rated 8A per pin hence (8x2)x12 = 192w & the 8pin is 7A per pin hence (7x4)x12 = 336w
Owing to this & keeping in mind the tolerances (15-20% for good brands) we can very much run off a 220w for a short duration & a 180w for sustained period. IMO it's the cheap components playing havoc here.
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The 4pin 12V ATX is rated 8A per pin hence (8x2)x12 = 192w & the 8pin is 7A per pin hence (7x4)x12 = 336w
Owing to this & keeping in mind the tolerances (15-20% for good brands) we can very much run off a 220w for a short duration & a 180w for sustained period. IMO it's the cheap components playing havoc here.
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