PC Buying Guide - March 2011

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The Sorcerer

oh wow...Xenforo!!!
You're checking out 780g chipsets. Don't go that far unless you have the intention to buy them. If you have whitelisted the chipsets you decided to buy on, checking out the power consumption of these boards with such chipsets helps. That should help you reducing your doubts.

To aid everyone in your self research (lol no way I am going to spoonfeed anyone, grow up and do some self research the hard way like I did by using my comments as reference. This way next time when someone asks you for help, you will start to think about these factors by default):
If you want proper explanation (I'll still keep it very short) you need to know the series of events involving the phase-game, we need to go back to the intel p45 days when 2 companies bragged about 12 power phase and all that, then one of them putting up vids/photos against the other (indirectly) that its not an actual 12 phase being used on the board (P 45 days). The another had about 8+2 phases but the phase quality was useless. Both were corrected after pointing/bashing by many users (and very handful of reviewers)that they were not 12 phase at all.

If you see x58's phase trends, its somewhat the same but as companies removed the brand/specs on the phase, it becomes difficult to know what kinda/quality phase is used. For example, x58a-UD7 rev 1.0 came with 24 phase design (True phase design? Unlikey but I can't say as I've haven't looked past UD3R/sabertooth as this fulfills most user's needs/requirements and I am not sure if GBT bragged it as true Phase. I think asus has an one intel board with loads of VRMs almost surrounding the socket :p) but then X58A UD7 rev 2.0 came with 16 phases (but maybe they are better ones- again no specs of those phase mentioned so can't say).

Same thing was done when phase game was on AMD but many also questioned how can a 4 pin atx supply power to a power hungry processor. Majority of the companies removed the brand/specs on the phase. This arguement however was highlighted by few but respected sources (xtreme systems and anandtech which has over 1 million readers being one of them) and was shortlived, resulting the phase marketing was reduced dramtically in newer chipsets. You still this in fewer boards, but the numbers have reduced compared to before.

that's why you see *some* companies/series being truthful that what they use is actually a 4 or 6+1.

MSI wasn't involved in this bandwagon during the time, concentrated more on those weird copper coiled passive heatsinks and Dr. MOS, then OC genie.

can you give an example of a mainstream board specifications.
Provided they are actual 8 phase but again, which of the are true 8 phase? Referring to the xs link again:

I am not saying companies will follow the same funda, but its a "good to know" information. Refer to 890GPA-UD3H's layout as an example.

Read dude, read the previous comments carefully.
 

Ishu Gupta

Manchester United
Yeah that board was already on the top of my list. Was also looking at MSI but not going to now. I don't like ASUS so that board or 890FX seem to be my only options. Anyways I'll ask when I buy it. Thanks.
 

The Sorcerer

oh wow...Xenforo!!!
I reviewed 880GMA-UD2H Rev 1.0 review sample. If I can recollect, 1.0 was not released, it was 2.0 as they wanted to put some minor updates+ apple recharging port with 1- 2 more fan connectors:
*krysproj.blogspot.com/2010/01/gigabyte-880gma-ud2h-review.html
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

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^^hows that? The GM is just same without usb3 and sata3 and another pcie x4

found another - ASrock 890GX Extreme3 @ 7.2k with 8+2 phase..searching for reviews now!
 

The Sorcerer

oh wow...Xenforo!!!
Southbridge is different (AMD 710?) on 880GM if I am not mistaken. Also if you look at the pcie slots and the connectors next to 24 pin, the layout is bit different. That's the reason why I take photos with coolers like noctua with the rams installed, people can get a pretty good picture about the layout.

Which reminds me, GBT needs to improve on their layout. Seeing their not-so-recent history of them taking few feedbacks seriously, most likely atleast a small portion of layout issues might have been corrected in the newer boards that are coming. I wished 880gma ud2h to be available for 7kish after series of price as 890gpa as mentioned by someone above, but sadly there's only 880gm ud2h. I am not saying 880gm-ud2h is bad, but if you're buying something to keep for 2-3-4 years, make sense to spend 1-2k extra. Its not after 6-8 months you change mobos.
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

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yup the southbridge is SB710 in GM. The GM is at 4.5k and GMA at 5.5k buddy. i am using the GM one :-D. and after comparing yes the layout is different. Is GMA good at OCing?
AFAIK the layout of X58A UD3R is also not good as compared to Sabertooth X58.
Have you done ASROCK 890GX Extreme3 review?
 

The Sorcerer

oh wow...Xenforo!!!
No mosfet sinks on 880GM/A UD2H. I would prefer MOSFET sinks if one is going the overclocking way. But it should be fine if you're not bumping it much+ putting some sinks on it. At the end of the day, its for everyday use so makes sense to take such precautions.

No mosfet sinks on 880GMA UD2H. I would prefer MOSFET sinks if one is going the overclocking way. But it should be fine if you're not bumping it much+ putting some sinks on it. At the end of the day, its for everyday use so makes sense to take such precautions.
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I don't think asrock is available in India offically. Maybe brought in by dealers who usually import stuff maybe. When I had a chat with someone from Asus (I assumed it was technically an Asustek's office as the same office space but different set of guys handle Garmin-asus) via FB about the asRock's new fatal1ty board, but I came to know they don't do ASrock but they are aware of some boards circulating around, mostly low end. I did put a message across (I am sure its a futile attempt most probably as his people responsible for importing the stuff have a different way of seeing things) saying that the way how asrock is doing things, it has the potential to have a decent mobo market business here so let's see.
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

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this review seems good - MSI P55-GD65 Review - Overclockers Club

whats the price of Phenom II x4 970BE?

Is Zotac GT240 @ 5k good enough for a dedicated physx card along with 6870? or should i add a Zotac GTS250 @ 6.7k.
 

pegasus

Journeyman
Thank you The Sorcerer sir- your reputation precedes you for good reason/s. :)
... i dont see any budget board with 8+1 phase power design!! now what??
Jas- Would you consider this a budget board? ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
I do.
I may have mentioned this a few times before and i do so again as a motherboard is one of the most important purchases for me.
Some may think i am whacked out or something but i usually look at the cpu:mobo pricing at 1:1 on an average, if not skewed more towards the mobo. :oops:
10K chip pairs well with a 10K mobo, give or take a 10-20%, here or there.

General tendency for anyone is to try to squeeze in a very powerful cpu with as cheap a mobo as possible.
How often have we not come across suggestions to pair a X4/X6 with a 3-4K motherboard?
Is it possible?
Yes
Is it advisable?
err... no comments.

Do these guys report later how long that rig worked flawlessly on the hardware front, esp the mobo part.
If it failed prematurely, some blame the manufacturer conveniently.
If it didn't, lucky user- maybe he/she never stressed his/her rig enough as there wasn't a need for that much cpu power to begin with.
There is a minimum decent psu we suggest and similarly there should be a minimum decent mobo we should suggest for a certain processor depending not only on the TDP but also on other factors like the intended usage of that rig.
If we are offered more features at a lower price point compared to counterparts/competition, it should make us a bit cautious rather than gleeful of how much more we can have for less.
Lots of ifs, buts, etc etc but there are 2 ways to look at deciding proper configs-
Well-balanced (maintaining a balance in terms of quality, performance as required) and well-budgetted (trying to fit in max stuff in min price).
That's why it becomes very important for the senior/knowledgeable members to put their foot down and say- don't get cheap, as there is never a free meal.

And guess what- i haven't even mentioned overclocking yet.
(just shared some random, general thoughts- spoken in general. )
 

The Sorcerer

oh wow...Xenforo!!!
Thank you The Sorcerer sir- your reputation precedes you for good reason/s.
Sorcy sir??:-x

Oh I thought people hated me especially for ranting out loud ;). Wherever you heard this "reputation" from, its pretty obvious its vague and over exaggerated. Don't call me sir, just doing my 2 cents for sanity's sake.
 

aby geek

Cyborg Agent
@ nbaztec , sorceror : pardon me but its my habit to respect people with greater knowledge than me. when i started playing mmos i called most high lvl people sir and maam ,and once a lvl 80 player turned out to be a 10 year old , and he was like please ia just 10 , i said you are more skilled than me in the game so even if i am a gramps you deserve respect.

you can call me sir when it comes to making no sense or cooking hardware :D
 

The Sorcerer

oh wow...Xenforo!!!
LOL There are those in the "shadows" lurking around waiting for me to make a typo/misintrepetation/mistake. Not an easy thing to be as accurate as much as possible, but this is something anyone can do. You just have to do proper ground research- properly and patiently. You read **** and you learn ****.
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
the sub 100k -
reveiw and suggest changes please. The above 100k are still under research!..

1)Sub 20k (Best for office work,movies,downloading)

AMD Athlon II x2 245 @ 2.6k
Asus M4A78LT-M LE @ 2.6k
G.Skill 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 1.5k
Seagate 500GB 7200.12 @ 1.7k
LG 22X SATA DVD @ 0.9k
FSP saga II 350W @ 1.5k
Zebronics Bijli w/o psu @ 1.1k
Benq G922HDL 18.5" @ 5.7k
Zebronics OEM K & M @ 0.3k
Zebronics 600VA @ 1.1k
Creative SBS A35 - 2.0 @ 0.4k

Total - 19.4k

Intel Option -

Intel Pentium Dual Core E5500 @ 3k
Gigabyte GA-G41M-Combo @ 2.6k

Total - 19.8k

2)Sub 35k (Entry level gaming,multi media)

AMD Athlon II x4 635 @ 4.5k
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H @ 4.5k
G.Skill 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 1.5k
MSI HD5750 @ 6.9k
Seagate 500GB 7200.12 @ 1.7k
LG 22X SATA DVD @ 0.9k
FSP saga II 500W @ 2.1k
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k
DELL IN2020M @ 6.5k
Logitech 3 Button Scroll @ 0.3k
Logitech KB-200 @ 0.4k
APC 650VA @ 2.6k
Altec Lansing VS2621 @ 1.6k

Total - 35k

Intel Option -

Intel Core i3 540 @ 5k
MSI H55M-E33 @ 4.5k

Total - 35.5k

3)Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)

AMD Phenom II x4 955BE @ 7.2k
ASUS M4A87TD EVO @ 6.4k
Kingston 4GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 3k
Zotac GTX460 768MB @ 10k
Seagate 500GB 7200.12 @ 1.7k
LG 22X SATA DVD @ 0.9k
Seasonic S12II 520W @ 4.2k
NZXT GAMMA @ 2k
Benq G2220HD @ 7.3k
Logitech MX518 @ 1.2k
Logitech KB-200 @ 0.4k
Numeric 1KVA @ 4.1k
Altec Lansing VS2621 @ 1.6k

Total - 50k

Intel Option -

Intel Core i5 750 @ 8.5k
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 @ 6.4k

Total - 51.3k

4)Sub 50k (Entry level rig for 3D works)

AMD Phenom II 1055t @ 8.8k
ASUS M4A87TD EVO @ 6.4k
Kingston 2 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 3k
ATI FirePro V4800 @ 11k
Seagate 500GB 7200.12 @ 1.7k
LG 22X SATA DVD @ 0.9k
Corsair VX450W @ 3.7k
NZXT GAMMA @ 2k
Benq G2220HD @ 7.3k
Logitech 3 Button Scroll @ 0.3k
Logitech KB-200 @ 0.4k
Numeric 1KVA @ 4.1k
Altec Lansing VS2621 @ 1.6k

Total - 51.2k

Intel Option -

Intel Core i5 750 @ 8.5k
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 @ 6.4k

Total - 50.9k

5)Sub 70k (Mid range gaming)

Intel Core i5 760 @ 9.8k
Gigabyte GA P55M UD2 @ 6.4k
CM Hyper 212+ @ 1.8k
G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1600 Ripjaws CL7 @ 4.7k
Sapphire HD6870 @ 14.5k
Seagate ITB 7200.12 @ 2.8k
LG 22X SATA DVD @ 0.9k
Corsair VX550W @ 4.7k
CM 690 II Plus @ 5k
Samsung P2350 @ 10.8k
Razer Death Adder @ 2.2k
Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 @ 1k
APC 1000VA @ 5k
Altec Lansing VS2621 @ 1.6k

Total - 71.2k

AMD Option -

AMD Phenom II x4 955BE @ 8.2k
ASUS M4A87TD EVO @ 6.4k

Total - 69.7k

6)Sub 85k (High end gaming with Crossfire)

Intel Core i5 760 @ 9.8k
MSI P55 GD65 @ 7.9k
CM Hyper N520 @ 2.5k
G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1600 Ripjaws CL7 @ 4.7k
Sapphire HD6850 * 2 CF @ 22.4k
Seagate ITB 7200.12 @ 2.8k
LG 22X SATA DVD @ 0.9k
Corsair TX650W @ 6.3k
CM Storm Scout @ 6.2k
Samsung P2350 @ 10.8k
Razer Death Adder @ 2.2k
Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 @ 1k
APC 1000VA @ 5k
Altec Lansing VS2621 @ 1.6k

Total - 84.1k

AMD Option -

AMD Phenom II x4 970BE @ 9k
Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H @ @ 8.2k

Total - 83k

7)Sub 85k (High end gaming without Crossfire)

Core i7 950 @ 14.3K
ASUS Sabertooth X58 @ 11.5k
CM Hyper N520 @ 2.5k
G.Skill 6GB DDR3 1600 Ripjaws CL8 @ 6.2k
Zotac GTX570 @ 19k
Seagate 500GB 7200.12 @ 1.7K
LG 22X SATA DVD @ 0.9k
Corsair VX550W @ 4.7K
CM 690 II Plus @ 5k
Samsung P2350 @ 10.8k
Razer Death Adder @ 2.2k
Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 @ 1k
APC 1000VA @ 5k
Altec Lansing VS2621 @ 1.6k

Total - 86.4k

AMD Option -

AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 11.5k
Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H @ @ 8.2k
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Ripjaws CL8 @ 7.5k

Total - 81.6k

8)Sub 85k (3D Works)

AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 11.5k
ASUS M4A87TD EVO @ 6.4k
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Ripjaws CL8 @ 7.5k
ATI FirePro V5800 @ 27k
Seagate 500GB 7200.12 @ 1.7k
LG 22X SATA DVD @ 0.9k
Corsair VX550W @ 4.7k
CM 690 II Plus @ 5k
DELL U2311H Ultrasharp @ 14k
Logitech 3 Button Scroll @ 0.3k
Logitech KB-200 @ 0.4k
APC 1000VA @ 5k
Altec Lansing VS2621 @ 1.6k

Total - 86k

THE MAJOR CHANGES ARE -

1. updated motherboards accordingly.
2. added GTX570.
3. added newer ATI Firepro 4800 and 5800. 7800 and 8800 will be featured in above 100k.
4. added cpu coolers in above 70k.
 
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