PC Buying Guide 2011- Q4

[Omi]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

The ALTERNATIVE HIGH END GAMING CF rig,
High on Performance per rupee

Exceptional 1920x1080 performance even at full details
Good 2560x1600 with lowered details

Component | Make | Price Processor |Core i3-2100|5600
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2-B3 (rev. 1.1) |5500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL|2000
GPU |Sapphire HD6870 * 2 Crossfire|22000
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|850
PSU |Corsair Power 650TX|5500
Case |CM Elite 310|1500
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|6800
Keyboard & Mouse |Razer Cyclosa Bundle|2000
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1500
Total ||57750
Possible Upgrades Processor |i5-2500|Add 4600
Case |NZXT GAMMA|Add 500
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Omega S-Speed/Control|Add 500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|Add 2400
Total ||65750

Contains all what is NEEDED, w/o causing Bottlenecks by any component

AMD 4 Core Config

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Phenom II X4 955 (Black Edition)|5650
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V (rev. 1.0) |5950
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL|2000
GPU |Sapphire HD6870 * 2 Crossfire|22000
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|850
PSU |Corsair Power 650TX|5500
Case |CM Elite 310|1500
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|6800
Keyboard & Mouse |Razer Cyclosa Bundle|2000
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1500
Total ||58250
Possible Upgrades Case |NZXT GAMMA|Add 500
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Omega S-Speed/Control|Add 500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|Add 2400
Total ||61650

Possible Degradation

MSI 6850 Cyclone Edition CF |Sub 3000

Reason for not Including GTX 560 SLI,
sure it is an option but the performance of 6870/560 are too close to declare a winner
So low cost option is considered which is 6870 @11k rather than 560@13~14k
If you want to spend that extra you can consider that option

Why i3 as main config
Benchmark Results: Metro 2033 : Who's Got Game? Twelve Sub-$200 CPUs Compared
Consistent FPS difference <4-5 FPS in almost all games
Which is very well handled by the CF setup

 

[MegaMind]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

And why CM extreme power PSU??

 

[Omi]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Its given in the upgrade section, performance in fps will be minimal
And that mobo you suggested does not support Multi-gpu config

 

[MegaMind]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Its given in the upgrade section, performance in fps will be minimal
And that mobo you suggested does not support Multi-gpu config

Its the lowest cost 700 watt psu, if its bad will change it to Corsair Power 650TX

My bad edited..

At all costs avoid CM extreme power PSUs..

Since u hav named it as GAMING rig, the intel rig should hav i5 2400 & i3 as optional..

 

[d3p]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

^^ Why to spend 60k on AMD's outdated Quad Core, when Sandybridge kick them out of the league.

 

[Omi]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Just for the sake of people who don't want to spend the extra 4.6k to get the quad core for apps using multiple cores, obviously the preference will be sandybridge
It will not bottleneck the gpu too.

 

[MegaMind]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Spoiler

The ALTERNATIVE HIGH END GAMING CF rig,
High on Performance per rupee

Exceptional 1920x1080 performance even at full details
Good 2560x1600 with lowered details

Component | Make | Price Processor |Core i3-2100|5600
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2-B3 (rev. 1.1) |5500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL|2000
GPU |Sapphire HD6870 * 2 Crossfire|22000
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|850
PSU |Corsair Power 650TX|5500
Case |CM Elite 310|1500
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|6800
Keyboard & Mouse |Razer Cyclosa Bundle|2000
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1500
Total ||57750
Possible Upgrades Processor |i5-2500|Add 4600
Case |NZXT GAMMA|Add 500
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Omega S-Speed/Control|Add 500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|Add 2400
Total ||65750

Contains all what is NEEDED, w/o causing Bottlenecks by any component

AMD 4 Core Config

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Phenom II X4 955 (Black Edition)|5650
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V (rev. 1.0) |5950
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL|2000
GPU |Sapphire HD6870 * 2 Crossfire|22000
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|850
PSU |Corsair Power 650TX|5500
Case |CM Elite 310|1500
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|6800
Keyboard & Mouse |Razer Cyclosa Bundle|2000
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1500
Total ||58250
Possible Upgrades Case |NZXT GAMMA|Add 500
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Omega S-Speed/Control|Add 500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|Add 2400
Total ||61650

For the sake of Crossfire/SLI, compromising on the proccy is not wise IMO..

CF/SLI can be done later, like say a couple of months or so..

 

[Omi]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

I am NOT compromising any performance just for the sake of CF/SLI
Its not that I like it too much and want to promote CF
Its about what a gamer needs
Read this Conclusion: Sandy Bridge Has Game : Who's Got Game? Twelve Sub-$200 CPUs Compared
and now you tell me, is the 8% increase in performance over the i3 justified by the 4600 rupees? 4.6k for 8 percent

Ok you may mock the AMD CPU, which performs 20% less than the i5-2400 but as i mentioned it was just for those who don't want to spend tat extra.

Spoiler

For the sake of Crossfire/SLI, compromising on the proccy is not wise IMO..

CF/SLI can be done later, like say a couple of months or so..

IMO, for a 65K rig,

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500k|10800
Motherboard |MSI Z68-GD55-B3|8800
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL|2600
Graphic Card |Sapphire 6950/MSI 560Ti Twin Frozr II/OC|13200/13800
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX750 V2|6100
Case |CM 430|2600
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7000
Mouse and Keyboard |Razer Cyclosa Gaming Bundle|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus Fragged Omega S - Speed/Control|500
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Inspire T3100|2000
Total ||63500/64100

CF/SLI can be done when there is necessity..

you are missing my point COMPLETELY, I am interested in building something that a gamer NEEDS, providing the numbers that matter, and not something he may never use

 

[MegaMind]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Its about what a gamer needs
Read this Conclusion: Sandy Bridge Has Game : Who's Got Game? Twelve Sub-$200 CPUs Compared
and now you tell me, is the 8% increase in performance over the i3 justified by the 4600 rupees? 4.6k for 8 percent

I can see a 13% increase & i5 is more future proof..

you are missing my point COMPLETELY, I am interested in building something that a gamer NEEDS, providing the numbers that matter, and not something he may never use

A gamer needs a good quad core proccy for gaming.. Also a 6950/560ti is enough for highest settings @1080p for now..

 

[Omi]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

I can see a 13% increase & i5 is more future proof..


A gamer needs a good quad core proccy for gaming.. Also a 6950/560ti is enough for highest settings @1080p for now..

Check the AVERAGE and not the Minium
Always average is checked.

Have you checked the fps, read the complete article?
FPS difference was always less than 4-5 fps (2-3 for most of games)
and that's not all conclusive to declare that i3 is bad.
Even in Metro 2033 the average fps difference was 2 fps

 

[MegaMind]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Check the AVERAGE and not the Minium
Always average is checked.

I'm talking about the average performance..

*media.bestofmicro.com/L/N/282011/original/AveragePerformance.png

 

[Omi]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

I don't want to get into any argument here
I have posted my config, JS and others and others will decide what to do with it

2-5 FPS difference IMO is not worth for extra 4.6k

This is not an overclocker build to have the K-cpu's and the z68 board
This is a gamer build who doesn't counts little fps difference.

 

[Extreme Gamer]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Wrong.

Check the minimum.

BTW for any CF/SLI setup, get at least a Core i5 700/Phenom II x4/x6.

performance over the i3 justified by the 4600 rupees?

yes.

Why did they ban MegaMind?

 

[Cilus]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

In gaming average FPS is not the only deciding factor, minimum FPS is also very much important for smoother game play and for more realistic visual looks.

And regarding HD 6770 Crossfire, although it offers performance close to a HD 6970 and really value for money, it stops you from upgrading any kind of Gfx card update in future as currently most of the budget motherboards for Sandybridge within 15K range, comes with maximum of 2 PCI Express slot running @ X8 mode in multi-GPU setup.

On the other hand, a single powerful card like a HD 6950, although offers little less performance, it enables you play all the games with their highest settings or high setting with above average experience + you will have the advantage of adding another one to upgrade in future when more demanding games will be available.

 

[Omi]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

I may be wrong, If i am I accept it

Just for fun how much difference will it cause?

@Cilus can you try this for us?
He has 6870CF

 

[skeletor]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Why did they ban MegaMind?

Off for a day. We've had enough HD 6950 vs GTX 560 Ti wars and seen enough posts of people calling someone a fanboy.

 

[Cilus]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

I may be wrong, If i am I accept it

Just for fun how much difference will it cause?

@Cilus can you try this for us?
He has 6870CF

What do u want me to do?

 

[Deleted member 118788]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

That I was saying but no was listening thank you cilus.

 

[Omi]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

What do u want me to do?

Can you benchmark some games using a dual core and a quad core processor using your cf setup?
I wanted to find out how much does the cpu matters in CF. please if you can

and also you only told me that upgrading makes sense if done when the next series is yet to settle. Like adding 6950 after 2 years you told me was not valid. I found it sensible .
And seriously I want to ask people buying 13-15k cards how many of them will CF/SLI later whan the next series will come

That's why I posted the 6770 CF config which just oozes with performance/inr

You may call those as dead end solutions, but upgrading holds good only when the product is upgraded frequently which in India you know happens rarely. Most people use things till they die out/become obsolete.In this scenario does getting 6950 makes sense? when at the same price much much better solution is available?

With all this in Mind I posted the CF configs.
They are worthy and no one can deny that Benchmarks/cost speaks for it, I don't. If one is not upgrading within 2.5-3 years they are Much better and robust solutions.

 

[Extreme Gamer]

Re: PC Buying Guide - July 2011

Getting a 6950 2GB/6970 makes more sense than a pair of 6770 1GBs any day.

Lower power usage, no scaling issues in any game whatsoever, unlcokability(most 6950s), etc. Not to mention, more future proof, so that as we get more and more unoptimized console ports (lazier and more sellout devs by the end of each day), VRAM is no more a limiting factor.