PC Buying Guide 2011- Q4

thetechfreak · Jul 28, 2011

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guys the 60k rig

This is the Sub 60k workstation rig which I said I will post.

Any comments about the rig? GPU is fine? The price is verified from Lynx

Alternatives are-
ATI FireGL V5600

ATI FireGL V7700

and please decide a monitor

skeletor · Jul 30, 2011

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FireGL V5600 and V5700 are old.

Prefer FirePro Vx800 or Vx900. And don't suggest Fermi gaming cards for rendering work in 3ds Max and Maya. Their drivers will make them perform even worse than 8800GT.

Extreme Gamer · Jul 30, 2011

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Agreed. Its ether FireGL/FirePro or Quadro FX for a WS setup.

Jaskanwar Singh · Jul 30, 2011

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the updates for next month -
(feel free to comment and suggest changes)

Sub 15k (Best for office work,downloading)

Sub 20k (Best for office work,movies,downloading)

Basic Sandybridge Rig - 25k (Best for office work, multimedia)

Sub 30k (Casual gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 30k -

Component | Make | Price Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6770|7000

Sub 35k (Entry level gaming,multi media)

Sub 35k (Llano for entry level gaming,multi media)

Sub 40k (Mid range gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 40k -

Component | Make | Price Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870|11000

Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)

Optional upgrades for 50k -

Sub 60k (Mid range gaming)

Optional upgrades for 60k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Steelseries 3H|1500

Sub 70k (High end gaming)

Optional upgrades for 70k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Steel Series Siberia Full-Size Headset(White)|3100

Sub 85k (High end gaming)

Optional upgrades for 85K -

Sub 100k (High End Gaming)

Optional upgrades for 100k -

Component | Make | Price Headset |Roccat Kave|5000

Sub 110k (Extreme 3D Gaming)

Optional upgrades for 110k -

Sub 135k (Ultra High End Gaming)

Optional upgrades for 130k -

God's Gaming Rigs -

@thetechfreak
lets discuss those workstation after these.

@extreme gamer
can you repost your rig? :grin:

@vickybat
sub30k llano is just 35k one without gpu.

Extreme Gamer · Jul 30, 2011

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Damn you Jas. I had to do some hunting to find the thread

After that I cant even reopen the post so that I can copy-paste it

How to make God an insolvent(although its an invalid statement, because "He" doesnt exist)-

I made this spec by deciding on how much could be spent and I would not call this a practical setup any day.

Also, you can see that this setup has 512GB x4 + 240GB x2 of SSD whoop-ass. Gimme the cash to make this setup and I will post some benchies for ya

Hey Vicks I just noticed your post. TFS

However, the guy to whom I replied recommended a P-IPS panel, which is not the same as S-IPS.

Also,Jas, reduce the monitor on the Phenom II setup and add more RAM. any 30k+ setup should contain 4GB RAM now. Llano has weaker GPU and more RAM. why? Dont say onboard GPU becuse you added a dedicated one. Also , the onboard GPU doesnt use much RAM. Speed matters more here.

Another thing you could do to the 35k setup is that change the 6850 to a 6790(6830 if that exists) and add more RAM. Make the 6850 an optional upgrade.

In God's Rig #2 add another 580 3GB. In #1, remove the 6970s and add 2 6990s. make a #3 with 2 590s (when the 3GBx2 variants get released).

BTW EVGA will be releasing its Classified variants of the 570 and 580 in a month or so.

MatchBoxx · Jul 30, 2011

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^^that's a kickass setup you mentioned there buddy!!! Did you source that all by yourself, or copy-paste from elsewhere?!??

Extreme Gamer · Jul 30, 2011

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I sourced it all.

I had posted it in the previous PC Buying Guide thread, but that was closed.

Omi · Jul 30, 2011

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The ALTERNATIVE MID RANGE GAMING CF rig,
Price Updated, My bad, sad typo
High on Performance per rupee
Graphic performance very very close to that of a single 6970/6950 OC
SOMETIMES (Mostly in DX10 games) even ahead of 6970/6950 OC
Lacks a BIT in DX11 as the 6970 gets advantage of 2GB Vram FPS difference will be Minimal
Great 1600x900 performance
Good 1920x1080 performance

AMD 4 Core Config

d3p · Jul 31, 2011

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^^ both of those Config's are pretty decent without those crap PSU's. Mention CM Silent Pro M 600 or TX650 v2.

BTW any source giving a details about the performance of 6670 CF ????

Moreover in Mid Range Section, it better to have a Single Powerful Card like 6950 TF III or 560ti TF II OC.

Better in terms of Costing, Temps, Power Requirements & Futureproof.

Just compare the performance between the above one & mine.

vickybat · Jul 31, 2011

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Extreme Gamer said:
Hey Vicks I just noticed your post. TFS However, the guy to whom I replied recommended a P-IPS panel, which is not the same as S-IPS.

No mate, P-IPS (professional -ips) is even better than S-IPS.

It offers 1.07 billion colours (30-bit colour depth). More possible orientations per sub-pixel (1024 as opposed to 256) and produces a better true colour depth.

Its a much newer technology than s-ips and was developed last year i.e 2010. Its more recommended for professionals.

Extreme Gamer · Jul 31, 2011

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ah ok

Omi · Jul 31, 2011

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^^ both of those Config's are pretty decent without those crap PSU's. Mention CM Silent Pro M 600 or TX650 v2.

BTW any source giving a details about the performance of 6670 CF ????

Moreover in Mid Range Section, it better to have a Single Powerful Card like 6950 TF III or 560ti TF II OC.

Better in terms of Costing, Temps, Power Requirements & Futureproof.

Just compare the performance between the above one & mine.

Thanks for he PSU upgrade, I just put the lowest cost branded PSU
for 6770 CF HIS Radeon 6770 ICEQX Turbo Crossfire review
beats the 560Ti in almost all games (talking about the reference 560Ti and not the oc one), Its quite interesting built which outperforms almost all in <20k range single cards, thanks to its low cost

Read the review you will get idea about the performance, I had this config in mind for few days but was not posting as I didn't had the figures to support the config, google ftw!

Camparo
2GB more ram, surely will help in windows 7, seeing how hungry it is for ram.
Better Mobo
Better Graphic performance
And the motherboard you mentioned does not support SLI, so one cant add a gcard later
so how can the system be future proof?

About future proofing, If you add the other 560 within an <year its valid, after thats its not as the next series will perform much better and purchasing next series single card will be much better than to go for sli

Also 50% or even more than that buying single card wont bother to put another later

And yea this is a mid range cost rig performing close to high end 60-70k rig mentioned here :wink:

d3p · Jul 31, 2011

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^^Ops...Serious Performance dude.......

Jaskanwar Singh · Jul 31, 2011

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Extreme Gamer said:
Also,Jas, reduce the monitor on the Phenom II setup and add more RAM. any 30k+ setup should contain 4GB RAM now. Llano has weaker GPU and more RAM. why? Dont say onboard GPU becuse you added a dedicated one. Also , the onboard GPU doesnt use much RAM. Speed matters more here.

Another thing you could do to the 35k setup is that change the 6850 to a 6790(6830 if that exists) and add more RAM. Make the 6850 an optional upgrade.

In God's Rig #2 add another 580 3GB. In #1, remove the 6970s and add 2 6990s. make a #3 with 2 590s (when the 3GBx2 variants get released).

BTW EVGA will be releasing its Classified variants of the 570 and 580 in a month or so.

actually the thing is asymmetric crossfire. 6670 with onboard gpu. so still llano gpu can use power of high speed ram. read about it in anandtech review of A8 3850.

ok i will try to add more ram.

460 768mb is better buy than 550ti or 6790.

590 burning issue solved?

Omi said:
The ALTERNATIVE MID RANGE GAMING CF rig,
High on Performance per rupee
Graphic performance very very close to that of a single 6970/6950 OC
SOMETIMES (Mostly in DX10 games) even ahead of 6970/6950 OC
Lacks a BIT in DX11 as the 6970 gets advantage of 2GB Vram FPS difference will be Minimal
Great 1600x900 performance
Good 1920x1080 performance

actually the thing is currently 6950 is sufficient for full hd play at highest settings.

d3p5kor said:
^^ both of those Config's are pretty decent without those crap PSU's. Mention CM Silent Pro M 600 or TX650 v2.

BTW any source giving a details about the performance of 6670 CF ????

Moreover in Mid Range Section, it better to have a Single Powerful Card like 6950 TF III or 560ti TF II OC.

Better in terms of Costing, Temps, Power Requirements & Futureproof.

Just compare the performance between the above one & mine.

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Phenom II x4 955BE|5500
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H|3800
RAM |G.Skill F3-10666CL9S-2GBNQ|1000
Graphic Card |MSI N560GTX TI Twin Frozer II/OC|13500
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1600
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|850
PSU |Corsair GS600|4000
Case |CM Elite 310|1500
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|6800
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK100|500
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speaker |Logitech Z313|1500
| Total |42000

that 560 ti is 14k at smc now. moreover 6950 1gb will be a better choice at 13.2k.

@all
what do all you prefer in 40k. 2400+6850+4gb ram or 955+6950 1gb+2gb ram?
and i forgot to update price of z313. will do it.

Omi · Jul 31, 2011

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d3p5kor said:
^^Ops...Serious Performance dude.......

I was astonished by the guru3d article
I am not endorsing this build, or buying this myself :grin:

It came to me as the Best Value for Money, which the Mid range gaming segment demands, people can make the most out of their budget by going for this build, which of-course can be improved

And over the heating issue
Cheaper MB's which support cf are available but I selected this particular as there is a lot of space between the two cards avail in this Motherboard

Does this qualify as a suggestion? :smile:

@ Jaskanwar Singh
Agreed that 6950 1gb is enough for 1080p gaming currently
But if one can get something better performing than 6950 and that too at a same cost!!
Why not!?!

Extreme Gamer · Jul 31, 2011

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actually the thing is asymmetric crossfire. 6670 with onboard gpu. so still llano gpu can use power of high speed ram. read about it in anandtech review of A8 3850.

ok i will try to add more ram.

460 768mb is better buy than 550ti or 6790.

590 burning issue solved?

OK. Asymmetric CF did not come to my mind

. Then try to add 2Ghz (Cl10 or lower) memory on Llano setup.

even then put the 6790 or 560 (non Ti) or 550. The 460 is an EOL product so any piece that you get now has been sitting away without use, for a few months at least, in a computer shop/warehouse.

590 burning issues must have been stopped now. The first cards burned due to overclocking. The last burn was heard a few months back.
Nvidia recommends watercooling the 590 if you want to overclock.

Deleted member 118788 · Jul 31, 2011

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@Omi: Your Suggestion Can't be implemented in practical as:
1. Crossfire is a headace & some of games don't work properly with crossfire there are lot of issues.
2. Crossfire Generates More Heat & Power than a single gpu setup.
3. Majority of people buying low budget rig are generally tech noob so for them setting up crossfire & updating drivers, etc will be a big headache.

For Full HD gaming even MSI 6850 Cyclone Power Edition @ 9.5K With Catalyst 11.7 or 11.8b drivers will be more than enough.

Jaskanwar Singh · Jul 31, 2011

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@omi
so you mean we should put 6770 crossfire in place of 6950?
what about others?

@EG
so you mean we should put 6790 instead of 460?

and yeah that was due to overclocking.

@GWL
crossfire is no longer a headache.

Skud · Jul 31, 2011

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Omi said:
I was astonished by the guru3d article
I am not endorsing this build, or buying this myself

It came to me as the Best Value for Money, which the Mid range gaming segment demands, people can make the most out of their budget by going for this build, which of-course can be improved

And over the heating issue
Cheaper MB's which support cf are available but I selected this particular as there is a lot of space between the two cards avail in this Motherboard

Does this qualify as a suggestion?

One also saves 2.2k over the 6950

@ Jaskanwar Singh
Agreed that 6950 1gb is enough for 1080p gaming currently
But if one can get something better performing than 6950 and that too at a lower cost!!
Why not!?!

Links please. AFAIK, the cheapest 6950 1gb is 13.2k. No stock 560Ti perform better than a 6950. And OCed 560Ti's are all priced over 13.2k.

Deleted member 118788 · Jul 31, 2011

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Jaskanwar Singh said:
^so you mean we should put 6770 crossfire in place of 6950?
what about others?

No Multi GPU Setup is needed for Full HD Gaming 1080p.

Hey Jas u have 6950 1gb so have you updated to catalyst 11.6 or 11.8b. There is 10-20% Improvement In Many Games Like Crysis & Far Cry,etc
AMD Catalyst 11.6 Windows 7 Driver Analysis :: TweakTown USA Edition

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