'Nirbhaya' case convict interviewed in jail (in 2013)

[Desmond]

Speaking of psychological problems, how many people here voluntarily seek psychiatric help? If you seek psychiatric help here, people will think that you are crazy or insane.

 

[nikufellow]

The buzz going on around in twitter is that top German dailies defended the professor's stance on internship claiming it was merely a 'protest' against mindset of people in India at large
I don't know how much truth there is to it though

 

[gemini90]

Nirbhaya's friend, who was with her on the fateful night, calls 'India's Daughter' a fake film

Nirbhaya's friend, who was with her on the fateful night, calls 'India's Daughter' a fake film-IndiaNews - IBNLive Mobile

While the British filmmaker Leslee Udwin claims that her documentary on the horrific Nirbhaya gangrape and murder case, 'India's Daughter', accurately depicts what happened on the night of December 16, 2012, the sole witness to the barbaric assault on the 23-year-old woman called the film "fake".

Backing the Central government's decision to ban 'India's Daughter' featuring the interview of one of the convicts, Mukesh Singh who blames girls for rape and not men, Nirbhaya's friend Avanindra Pandey accused Leslee Udwin of insensitively handling the issue.

"The documentary is unbalanced as the victim's viewpoint is missing. The facts are hidden and the content is fake. Only Jyoti and I know what happened on that night and the documentary is far from truth," says Avanindra Pandey who fought with the rapists and murderers to save her friend but was overpowered and beaten up brutally.

Backing his claim, Pandey said he had never heard the name of tutor Satendra, who features in the documentary. "Moreover, how does he know which movie I wanted to watch on that night," asks Pandey.

The man who appears as the tutor of the victim in the documentary said, "Avanindra Pandey wanted to watch an action film while Jyoti wanted to watch 'Life Of Pi'."

The interview of the death row convict created a massive public uproar and controversy after it was made public in which he held girls more responsible than boys for rape. Pandey says, "A controversy was created unnecessarily and was sensationalised. The documentary made fun of emotions and questioned the law and order situation in our country."

Pandey adds that even though things slipped out of the government's hand, it took timely action. "The documentary has dented country's image and questioned law and order situation. The documentary showed that any individual can enter the Central Jail of our country and can interview a criminal," Pandey says.

When asked whether he was approached to be part of the documentary, he replied in positive. "I was approached by many people and it started one and a half years ago, in 2013. I did not want to be part of it as I was not convinced by its motive. Also, I was not mentally prepared and had health issues as well," Pandey says.

He also appeals that there should be a censor board for documentaries as well.

Look at this - players behind the documentary

*storify.com/s_navroop/india-s-daughter-truth-decoded

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Today plenty of foreign newspapers like the Times of London were calling for removal of ban.

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1. The documentary was to be shown in India not only on NDTV but at school levels all over India. HT Story that I had posted very early in the story.
2. Udwin wanted to do other such documentaries and perhaps other would have followed. Again in the same HT story.
3. Create a feeling amongst women of the country that they are amongst animals divide the country on gender.
4. Search, create, train and cultivate local *radical* feminist in the garb of educating society.
5. Use these local radicals to create faultlines within the society from the inside. Outsiders spouting nonsense is easy to spot and can be countered.

They expected a free run given the strong revulsion surrounding the issue and this particular incident within India.

 

[Flash]

So, all of the media world is promoting the Udwin's documentary as "must-watch-before-you-die-if-you-care-about-women" type of video?

 

[gemini90]

[MENTION=142062]Flash[/MENTION] In essence yes. Yesterday, a premier was held for who and who's of hollywood in USA.

Meryl Streep, Freida Pinto to Present U.S. Premiere of Banned Indian Rape Documentary - Hollywood Reporter

Hollywood stars support controversial documentary ‘India’s Daughter’ | Watch News Videos Online

Notice the use of word 'Shaming words of convicted rapist' by the The Times. They care not about the reaction of and protests by indian public against that incident or about how quickly the case was tried by sessions court and high court. They just want us to be ashamed on behalf of the lowlife rapist.

Take a look at this as an example. Kevin Mccloud made a request for a program in India for Channel 4's India season saying he wanted to survey the architectural wonders of India. He ended up filming the slums...

Kevin McCloud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

India accuses Kevin McCloud of making 'poverty porn' in Mumbai slum programme - Telegraph

Sources say the Indian High Commission in London granted a filming permit in the belief that McCloud was making a programme highlighting Mumbai's architectural history, and officials were horrified to see the end result.

 

[REDHOTIRON2004]

I don't understand why all the fuss is about. West is asking indian to see how shamefully the convict is defending what he had done.

But, that precisely why he is behind the bars waiting for his execution. That preety much sums the attitude of indians as far as these kind of people are concerned.

These kind of people are not moving at large in the open like the killers of innocent people by ISIL which includes a british executioner as well. Talk about hipocracy.
Why dont the british media show what muslim youth in there country beleive in?

 

[Faun]

I will also add male dominated mindset and psychological problems

It boils down to this point "Will I let my daughter go alone to a destination at night ?". Short answer "No".

The definition of rape in other countries and India has to be normalized to look at the figures. There is no concept of Marital rape in India.

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1. The documentary was to be shown in India not only on NDTV but at school levels all over India. HT Story that I had posted very early in the story.
2. Udwin wanted to do other such documentaries and perhaps other would have followed. Again in the same HT story.
3. Create a feeling amongst women of the country that they are amongst animals divide the country on gender.
4. Search, create, train and cultivate local *radical* feminist in the garb of educating society.
5. Use these local radicals to create faultlines within the society from the inside. Outsiders spouting nonsense is easy to spot and can be countered.

They expected a free run given the strong revulsion surrounding the issue and this particular incident within India.

How many radical feminists are destroying the fabric of western nations ? Looks like a tinfoil hat conspiracy.

 

[gemini90]

[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] Udwin to German professor: Say hello to white woman's 'rape in India' burden

Udwin to German professor: Say hello to white woman's 'rape in India' burden - Firstpost

I don't agree with her regarding the ban issue but still the rest of the details are interesting.

 

[vkl]

So these two instances prove that US has more rapes?
Of you say its not the lack of education that is causing rapes ,then what is it?

This thread and internet is full of stats to where US stand in rape-rate and it is not only rape,US is among the leaders when it comes to crime.
Under-reporting is common in Western countries like US,UK etc as well as per studies/surveys.You didn't check the link I guess.
Nobody here is saying that India doesn't have a problem.
Over-reporting is also there in India as well. False rape cases on the rise: Are tougher rape laws being misused? - Oneindia
In about 15months period 53.2% of cases were outright false in Delhi and were mostly to settle enmity.46% were acquitted in 2012,78% were in 2013 .
Similar situation in Rajasthan. State sees spurt in false rape cases in ’14
Do you have anything to back up that US is less-prone to rape while all the data shows quite the contrary?

Why there are beggars and Hobos in devoloped countries? Not everybody goes to school.Americans dont have the urge to go to colleges as much as Indians do.
Also how many woman in India will openly admit and file a case against rapists?

It's not something that only portions of women in India have fear of telling about rape,it's a problem prevalent in US,UK,etc as well, to what extent,it would vary.
Again this school/college?..neither it would guarantee that they won't rape nor it is necessary that an illiterate would rape.An illiterate person might be a very normal person.What about campus rapes in US which has been cited already.
High Schools and Middle Schools Are Failing Victims of Sexual Assault - US News

Contrary to public perception, less than 8 per cent of the accused in rape cases and only 3 per cent of the accused in molestations are under 18 years of age. Data also shows the largest number of accused persons in both rape and molestation cases are between 18-25 years of age. Most of the accused in both molestation and rape cases have also received some level of education, with a large number having passed class 10.

indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/9-out-of-10-rapists-are-known-to-victims-delhi-police/

 

[Faun]

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Udwin to German professor: Say hello to white woman's 'rape in India' burden - Firstpost

I don't agree with her regarding the ban issue but still the rest of the details are interesting.

She got overwhelmed by the massive reaction and acting a bit antsy. India is just an easy target to do these things and get popular. What happens in your house is banal compared to what's transpiring in the neighborhood. I wont condone the way she escaped duping the authorities.

But the documentary content is not sensational. It's just the retelling of what happened earlier but this time we get to relate directly with the family and perpetrator. Probably you should watch it regardless of who made it.

Btw this was Charles Manson


Comparing the rapists to him is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Nanducob]

This thread and internet is full of stats to where US stand in rape-rate and it is not only rape,US is among the leaders when it comes to crime.
Under-reporting is common in Western countries like US,UK etc as well as per studies/surveys.You didn't check the link I guess.
Nobody here is saying that India doesn't have a problem.
Over-reporting is also there in India as well. False rape cases on the rise: Are tougher rape laws being misused? - Oneindia
In about 15months period 53.2% of cases were outright false in Delhi and were mostly to settle enmity.46% were acquitted in 2012,78% were in 2013 .
Similar situation in Rajasthan. State sees spurt in false rape cases in ’14
Do you have anything to back up that US is less-prone to rape while all the data shows quite the contrary?



It's not something that only portions of women in India have fear of telling about rape,it's a problem prevalent in US,UK,etc as well, to what extent,it would vary.
Again this school/college?..neither it would guarantee that they won't rape nor it is necessary that an illiterate would rape.An illiterate person might be a very normal person.What about campus rapes in US which has been cited already.
High Schools and Middle Schools Are Failing Victims of Sexual Assault - US News


indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/9-out-of-10-rapists-are-known-to-victims-delhi-police/

I can backup once when I get back to pc

 

[icebags]

for those who are unaware of statistics, this is rate per 1,00,000 population from wikipedia (last column):

*i.imgur.com/c0HpnUm.png

 

[Flash]

I wonder how the Indian people (especially males) who are living in other countries feel, when the documentary & its controversy made Indian society to view as "Rapists".

 

[Faun]

I wonder how the Indian people (especially males) who are living in other countries feel, when the documentary & its controversy made Indian society to view as "Rapists".

Frankly, people are generally too busy working to have any opinionated view on this. You may find exceptions like that professor.

 

[Flash]

Got my answer here..
*www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/2yf71t/indians_currently_living_abroad_what_is_the/

 

[Faun]

Got my answer here..
Indians currently living abroad, what is the [R]eaction of people towards the western media branding India as a rape culture nation? : india

Good for you

 

[Minion]

Rapes happens all over the world It is not like we Indians are rapist but our media is the one who is showing world we all are same "Rapist" and it makes me mad and sad.
now this documentry film WTF. What they are trying to convince people with this?This is not something which is worth showing to world.let the poor girl live in peace.

 

[Desmond]

Rapes happens all over the world It is not like we Indians are rapist but our media is the one who is showing world we all are same "Rapist" and it makes me mad and sad.
now this documentry film WTF. What they are trying to convince people with this?This is not something which is worth showing to world.let the poor girl [strike]live[/strike] rest in peace.

She ain't alive no more bro.

 

[Nanducob]

She ain't alive no more bro.

The moment of truth

 

[Ronnie11]

Frankly, people are generally too busy working to have any opinionated view on this. You may find exceptions like that professor.

+1 to this really. Seriously even foreign nationals are not too opinionated about this.