Nintendo vs. Sony vs, Microsoft
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Nintendo is doomed even before the fight of next gen consoles. Reason is serious lack of matured exclusive ip's and lack of 3rd party developer interest due to underpowered hardware.
It competes with current gen ps3 ad 360 and is slightly more powerful than them.
Simply cannot keep up with sony and microsoft next consoles.
Nintendo should focus on a more matured crowd and get over that mario and pokemon image.
@ NoasArcAngel
Did you check out the trailer of MGS V the phantom pain ?
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Check their 2013-end and 2014 1st/2nd party game lineup. Some of the biggest game franchises in the world are from Nintendo. Their IPs are usually as mature, if not more mature than other competing big-budget IPs.
This is coming from a guy who hates everything Nintendo launched after the DSi (include wii in the hate list) so you know I'm not being biased towards Nintendo.
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If Mario does not cater to the hardcore audience, then you are one of those people who either has never played Mario or dislike Mario. Hidden behind the cartoon-ish art is probably the core tenet of hardcore gaming. If you play the main series Pokemon properly you will realize that it indeed does have a lot of hardcore elements to it. Maybe you didn't notice but there are lots of mechanics that hardcore trainers take advantage of to make the best pokemon possible and then they compete with each other and strive to improve.
TL;DR: You need to research your facts.
Nerevarine
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vickybat
I am the night...I am...
Checked their so called list. Give it a year and its underpowered hardware is going to shoo developers away and its already starting to show. Nintendo's latte gpu is grossly underpowered & still uses ibm's powerpc (RISC) cpu whereas everybody is moving to x86 for development. Nintendo is going to be left out in the cold this way coz not only porting will be difficult but another hassle is to tone down everything for nintendo's hardware.
Games like Witcher 3 are already getting skipped for wii-u as it can't handle those next-gen engines. This is sad but true.
Comparing sony/microsoft upcoming consoles with wii-u is like comparing apples to oranges indeed.
Coming to mario, the last title i played on my brother's wii was "New super mario bros". I liked it a lot but you can't spend on a 20k+ console just for mario and the likes.
You eventually get over it. Besides indie games like "super meat boy, limbo and others are playing spoil sport for nintendo. It needs to get over that image.
Besides,i have done significant research on the facts that i put.
skeletor
Chosen of the Omnissiah
All what he needs to do is, compare the titles which PS3 had after 5 months to with that of Wii U. PlayStation 3 launch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Consoles shine late. Not on day #1. Whether Wii U will shine late, that's a different question.
NoasArcAngel
Wise Old Owl
no.It was a server outage
btw evidence?
it was some dumb rumour... i just wanted to undermine xboxlive
they do shine late, but in this generation of console wars, Wii-U is diminishing i wont be surprised if at the end of the year when the nextbox and the ps4 release the Wii-U will be beaten to pulp. the wii sold because it was innovative, with wii-u nintendo has provided me with nothing more than an secondary tv
secondly with the new x86 based h/w and developer centric approach. SONY is already cashing in on its successful IP's like killzone and new IP drive club which will come out on release not to mention in 1 year of its launch expecting 1 uncharted and in 2 years 1 gran turismo. This way you are looking at 20million console sales in <3 years when the best is about to come. Also add to that numerous amount of 3rd party games like BF4 etc.
probably mario and pokemon are on the top of the highest selling games list. but if you compare it to the likes of half-life.......... need i say more ?
apart from that pokemon has been there snice 1996, and mario since 1981.... only gran turismo (1997) and metal gear series (1987) are the ones which come close to their age.
i think that nintendo thrived on small kids playing mario and pokemon, but since i started playing pokemon at the age of 6 there has been a vast change in the mindset of people here in india... so im assuming that the western generation is 1 step ahead. Nowadays i see 7-8 year olds playing hardcore titles like call of duty, uncharted, need for speed etc...
im putting up this stats as a proof to support my reasoning
*img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Trunkswd/VGChartz/MarioChart.png
in 1985 mario sold the maximum, and in 2009 its dropping ... there is only so much you can do with 1 character probably time for mario to retire..
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This.
Nintendo is doomed even before the fight of next gen consoles. Reason is serious lack of matured exclusive ip's and lack of 3rd party developer interest due to underpowered hardware.
It competes with current gen ps3 ad 360 and is slightly more powerful than them.
Simply cannot keep up with sony and microsoft next consoles.
Nintendo should focus on a more matured crowd and get over that mario and pokemon image.
@ NoasArcAngel
Did you check out the trailer of MGS V the phantom pain ?
Which world have you reached in NSMB Wii(by far the easiest game in the series)?
Saying SMB and Limbo are even close to the quality of Mario titles is insanity. They are extremely linear games suited to exactly one playstyle while the Mario games cater to multiple.
I'll take it that you have never played a mainline 3D Mario like 64, Galaxy, Galaxy 2 & 3D Land. You mustn't have played Mario Kart much either. Or the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series.
EA isn't supporting the Wii U because Nintendo didn't let them run Origin on Nintendo Network. Deep Silver never supports new platforms. The Wii U marks the best western 3rd party support Nintendo has got since the SNES.
Nintendo has the support of Ubisoft, Warner Bros, Activision and Disney to name a few.
The Japanese Dev reaction to the PS4 was 'Meh'. Namco Tales(best non-nintendo RPG devs), Platinum(best action game dev), Atlus, Nippon Ichi, Temco Koei, Namco Tekken(best fighting game dev), Marvellous AQL, Capcom etc. have all said that they love the Wii U.
There was no support from western devs for the 3DS and a lot of support for the Vita, yet look at where they are now.
Nintendo has plenty of Hardcore franchises. To name a few:
Smash Bros
Fire Emblem
The Legend of Zelda
The 'Xeno' series
Advance Wars
Battalion Wars
Kid Icarus
Golden Sun
Metroid
Pikmin(don't be fooled by the cutesy graphics)
Luigis Mansion
Nintendo has exclusive rights to the Monster Hunter franchise. The Wii U version will be the best version of Resident Evil: Revelations. They rescued Bayonetta 2 from cancellation. They have Platinum Games on board their console. Rayman Legends will have much more content on the Wii U than other consoles. Their consoles get the mainline SMT games. All these don't look like signs of a casual console to me.
In fall 2013/summer 2014 we will probably be getting Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD, Mario Kart, a 3D Mario, Super Smash Bros 4, possibly 'X', Retros secret project, Rayman Legends etc. Nintendo has a habit of announcing titles as little as 2 months before they are released and they have confirmed that they will announce even more titles at E3 so there will be much more to come.
Nobody expects you to pay 20k+ just for Mario. You have a shitload of other games like Xenoblade Chronicles, Metroid Prime, Mario Kart, The Last Story, The Legend of Zelda, Pandoras Tower, Battalion Wars, Fire Emblem etc. for the console.
Nintendo may strike big with its casual games but it lives and dies by its hardcore ones.
You can expect games that would be too expensive to develop for the western consoles to be developed for the Wii U, as it happened with The Last Story, REmake, MHTri, Okami etc. and the Wii. this gen.
Even if the Wii U fails to take off they have the 3DS supporting them, which is on track to do PS2 numbers, even before a Mainline Pokemon was released for the console.
Did you really research your facts?
NoasArcAngel
Wise Old Owl
3DS is a portable device, if it reaches the numbers of the ps2 its a joke for 3DS. its like the sales performance of Wii-U versus the ps4 and the nextbox.
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also think this will drop, with vita's rising popularity and nintendo cutting sales forecast for 3DS.... tides are about change ... embrace the dark side.
The DS is the only console which has outsold the PS2. The Vita's popularity rose in Japan because they sharply cut the price and is still **** everywhere else. If the Vita continues to sell at the current rate it will take it ~500 weeks to catch up to the 3DS given that the 3DS doesn't any more units at all. The tide will not turn. Japan loves its Shin Megami Tensei, Monster Hunter, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Tomodachi Collection and Pokemon of which SMT is the only one with a real chance to go the Vita. Nintendo is making money for each 3DS sold while Sony is losing money for each Vita sold. You can't compete against the power of Pokemon in the west.
I don't think that the Wii U will do PS4 numbers but that doesn't change the fact that the 3DS is making a killing for Nintendo. Nintendo loses ~$20 for every Wii U. Sony is expected to lose $100 - $200 on every PS4. I'll be surprised if the western consoles take off like the SNES/PS2/Wii. This generational transition will be a long one with most games coming out on both gens.
Overall, the Wii U will offer more great and unique experiences than the PS4, making it a better console than the PS4. I'd like to see something like Yarn Yoshi, TW101 and X on the PS4.
It won't happen
NoasArcAngel
Wise Old Owl
i was keeping in mind the 100million number.. only Japan loves .............................. only Japan not the rest of the world. So i think you should rest your theories about how pikmin is poised for a worldwide takeover in our living rooms, and start worrying about the future of nintendo.
SONY will not lose more than 100$ / ps4, apart from that the ps3 sold 77million pieces AFAIK, so if the same ps2 cycle continues the ps3 will sell atleast
120million.
secondly because consoles like the ps3 and the xbox have a large life span almost 8 years, whatever they lose they make up for it in 200% ....
great and unique experiences ? i remember the xbox e3 conference where they said the same thing and released kinect...you know the rest of the story.
im always open, so show me how the Wii-U is more VFM than a ps4 and ill buy 2 ..
The vita will sell, if not today... the numbers will pick up slowly and i bet it will end up selling at least 40-50 million pieces
SONY has clearly changed the rules of the game this time going with a more developer centric approach. And i believe that the ps2 times are back for SONY. after all it only does everything.
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i was keeping in mind the 100million number.. only Japan loves .............................. only Japan not the rest of the world. So i think you should rest your theories about how pikmin is poised for a worldwide takeover in our living rooms, and start worrying about the future of nintendo.
SONY will not lose more than 100$ / ps4, apart from that the ps3 sold 77million pieces AFAIK, so if the same ps2 cycle continues the ps3 will sell atleast
120million.
secondly because consoles like the ps3 and the xbox have a large life span almost 8 years, whatever they lose they make up for it in 200% ....
great and unique experiences ? i remember the xbox e3 conference where they said the same thing and released kinect...you know the rest of the story.
im always open, so show me how the Wii-U is more VFM than a ps4 and ill buy 2 ..
The vita will sell, if not today... the numbers will pick up slowly and i bet it will end up selling at least 40-50 million pieces
SONY has clearly changed the rules of the game this time going with a more developer centric approach. And i believe that the ps2 times are back for SONY. after all it only does everything.
I never said pikmin will take over the world and admitted that the PS4 will probably do better than the Wii U in the west at least because of the fact that sony sold out to western developers giving japanese ones the shaft.
The 3DS is also killing it in the west, although not as well as Japan. The 3DS is the best selling console in France and Germany too. Pokemon will give 3DS sales a massive bump. Animal Crossing and Nintendogs are really popular in the west too. I concentrated on Japan because Japanese trends are usually indicative of western trends in the handheld space.
I agree that they will make how much ever they lose on the PS4.
The Wii has sold 100 mn+ and if Nintendo didn't kill it it would have sold 120 - 130 mn.
For great and unique experiences look no further than The Wonderful 101, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD, Bayonetta 2, Monolith Soft's X, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Yarn Yoshi, Rayman Legends Murfy Sections, Nintendoland, NSMBU, Super Smash Brother 4, Zombi U, Lego City Undercover, Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem and whatever nintendo may decide to announce. In unannounced titles you have the inevitable 3D Mario and Legend of Zelda games which should be mind blowing even if they are only half as good as SMG2 & SS. Retro(Metroid Prime series, Donkey Kong Country Returns) is working on a secret project for the Wii U that is supposed to be really great. Using the gamepad as the PDA in Watch_Dogs will be awesome, like using the gamepad as the Batputer in Arkham City/Origins is. Nintendo's first party titles are usually some of the best games games in the world and japanese devs make better games than western devs. Split Screen without screen sharing in SALSRT is pretty cool and the ball mode is awesome. You can have your fighters cosplay as Mario, Link, Capt. Falcon, Zelda etc. in Tekken Tag Tournament 2 Wii U edition and the Mushroom Mode is pure awesome.
On the sony camp you have linear semi casual shooters like Killzone, casual racers like Drive Club and GT and Infamous: Second Son. Most games for it will be there on PC too therefore not making it as VFM as the Wii U where you will have some amazing and mind blowing experiences.
Nintendo's best consoles are usually the ones that don't sell very well. The N64(Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask, SM64) & GC(Wind Waker, Smash Melee, Pikmin, Twilight Princess) had much better games than the PS2 and PS1. The best games for the Wii came after the hordes of casuals stopped buying it.
Nintendo always makes enough games for its consoles that make it worth buying. The Wii U is a better value proposition unless you are a filthy casual/semi-casual who doesn't own a decent PC.
NoasArcAngel
Wise Old Owl
after ur comment i have understood why nintendo is gonna lose
Killzone is semi casual. Nintendo has more IPs of better quality that will never be on any other platform. Nintendo is constantly developing new ideas and concepts which you don't see on other platforms. Sony games rarely have the amount of replayability, variation, charm and polish that Nintendo games have. They tried to copy Nintendo's best franchises and failed multiple times. (See sony smash. bros and sony kart for recent examples). The best studio sony has working on the PS4 would be Media Molecule or Polyphony Digital, which don't stand up to Platinum, EAD Tokyo, Retro, Monolith Soft etc. working on the Wii U.
skeletor
Chosen of the Omnissiah
In Japan(which doesn't matter according to NoasArcAngel). After cutting the price to ~20,000 yen its baseline moved up from 8k - 10k to 15k - 18k. We will know the true baseline a week or two after we get golden week numbers. The Wii U has sold ~4mil compared to 2.5mil for the Vita in a much shorter period.
NoasArcAngel
Wise Old Owl
so much for using google right
Vita Outsells 3DS in Japan, Strong Sales Continue - IGN
*www.geeky-gadgets.com/playstation-vita-price-drop-boosts-sales-dramatically-in-us-18-03-2013/
i dont understand how killzone is a semi-casual ? secondly how is gran turismo a casual racing game ? if you dont know about it dont type it. better to keep quiet than making a fool of yourself.
really? after 10+ years of mario and zelda and pikachu im bored to death, and no i dont want to hack and slash zombies while riding around in a stupid cart... got anything else?
Vita Outsells 3DS in Japan, Strong Sales Continue - IGN
*www.geeky-gadgets.com/playstation-vita-price-drop-boosts-sales-dramatically-in-us-18-03-2013/
i dont understand how killzone is a semi-casual ? secondly how is gran turismo a casual racing game ? if you dont know about it dont type it. better to keep quiet than making a fool of yourself.
really? after 10+ years of mario and zelda and pikachu im bored to death, and no i dont want to hack and slash zombies while riding around in a stupid cart... got anything else?
NoasArcAngel
Wise Old Owl
plz visit this link and then revise your statements accordingly. Thanks
Gamer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
yes we will see... i bet you were also predicting the downfall of the ps3.
Gamer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Already knew about it.
yes we will see... i bet you were also predicting the downfall of the ps3.
skeletor
Chosen of the Omnissiah
Naah. Never.
Always preferred it over Wii/Xbox 360 till Sony pissed me off by advertising and then turning Other OS off. And storing passwords for many services in plaintext. Incompetency.
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