Do OSS users infringe other copyrights

[drgrudge]

Really ?

Looks like I've to edit his User title. Or if you want to banned, I can do that also. Please edit it yourself as it's confusing.

 

[Gigacore]

Rofl..
Nice one my friend..
One moment i was like sad..i searched all you last post..i thought you were banned for saying something here in this thread..good..ok now give me a treat..

lol... here it is

*www.onlinecooking.net/news/NewsImages/ice%20cream%20in%20cup.jpg

Looks like I've to edit his User title. Or if you want to banned, I can do that also. Please edit it yourself as it's confusing.

Just for few days please...

 

[nvidia]

ROFL!
What a thread....

I use pirated stuff.. And nobody can stay away from piracy.....

 

[Faun]

Obviously

simon lies inside us

 

[RCuber]

well well .. no replies.. only 15 users voted.. There are many more here to vote..
What should I consider?

1. Its a baseless thread.
2. Use it only because its a superior software but dont give a sh!t to the licence which is included with it.
3. You are guilty of "Double Standards". You want people to embrase GPL but you your self violate other copyrights.

I want all who know me to consider me just as any other user and reply honestly.

 

[naveen_reloaded]

lol... here it is

*www.onlinecooking.net/news/NewsImages/ice%20cream%20in%20cup.jpg



Just for few days please...

Thanks giga...

 

[Gigacore]

^ okie..

why did the find end ?

 

[FilledVoid]

Many OSS are distributed under GNU GPL License and many here understand it very well. They also promote OSS, even in irrelevent threads. I have been asked by many to make our software opensource, to be specific to be released under GPL.

where does this come to ?

OSS supporters want everything to be under GNU GPL or its varients, but on the other hand dont give a damn about respecting others copyright. They even go against technologies which is trying to protect copyrighted material for been distributed illegally.

I've always hated fanboyism in any kind of form. Whether it be Linux , Windows or Polka Dot trousers. In this forum if you happen to mention Windows / Linux does "XXXXXX" in any thread it happens to end up in an OS war thread.

As far as your software is concerned, Be free to release it under whatever License you are pleased with . I guess others probably might have asked for it to be GPL so they could learn to code from it or probably adapt it to their needs (Don't quote me on this though.) ?

1. Its a baseless thread.

To an extent yes.

2. Use it only because its a superior software but dont give a sh!t to the licence which is included with it.

Are we talking about the License included with a Linux distro or the License included with Songs and Videos? As far as the License of any Linux distro is concerned I thought you could modify it or use it as you please.

3. You are guilty of "Double Standards". You want people to embrase GPL but you your self violate other copyrights.

You are assuming that every other OSS user on this forum some how adopts the high standard of "I don't Pirate cause I'm using OSS stuff". For example , I use Ubuntu , the only thing I have which is not legal is probably what I have mentioned above. Everything else I have is from the repositories that Ubuntu provides.

 

[praka123]

For me,I moved long back to FOSS,NOT due to cost factor JFYI.I felt it is superior and the ideas of Open Source and Open Standards are what make knowledge spreads without locks(EULA,DRM,Software Patents,M$,apple,RIAA etc ).

and with music,I dont think there is any use of dragging FOSS users to a complete different thing!

OH!and I got music bought.no ONLINE buying!just mp3 cds,few movie dvd's.and rarely take on rental(i dont know about the legality!)..yes,i do tries torrents sometimes.

 

[RCuber]

I've always hated fanboyism in any kind of form. Whether it be Linux , Windows or Polka Dot trousers. In this forum if you happen to mention Windows / Linux does "XXXXXX" in any thread it happens to end up in an OS war thread.

Im not a fanboy too.. I too use Linux and consided superior over other OS.

As far as your software is concerned, Be free to release it under whatever License you are pleased with . I guess others probably might have asked for it to be GPL so they could learn to code from it or probably adapt it to their needs (Don't quote me on this though.) ?

This is the place when I realised the importance of GPL Licence..

Are we talking about the License included with a Linux distro or the License included with Songs and Videos?

Im talking about the GPL licence.

As far as the License of any Linux distro is concerned I thought you could modify it or use it as you please.

Perfect.. Now can I release a Modified version of Ubuntu which has my name everywhere in that OS and also the source code will not be available unless $100 is paid, Can I do that?

You are assuming that every other OSS user on this forum some how adopts the high standard of "I don't Pirate cause I'm using OSS stuff".

To be specific OSS promoters should say "I don't Pirate cause I understand about Copyrights and Copylefts".

For me,I moved long back to FOSS,NOT due to cost factor JFYI.I felt it is superior and the ideas of Open Source and Open Standards are what make knowledge spreads without locks(EULA,DRM,Software Patents,M$,apple,RIAA etc ).

and with music,I dont think there is any use of dragging FOSS users to a complete different thing!

OH!and I got music bought.no ONLINE buying!just mp3 cds,few movie dvd's.and rarely take on rental(i dont know about the legality!)..yes,i do tries torrents sometimes.

Is that all you have to say? I was expecting more from you.. but its still the same old story..

 

[infra_red_dude]

First of all as most said, OSS and piracy are not related. This thought lurks in the mind because of a fundamental misunderstanding: GNU/Linux (others etc.) is a free ALTERNATIVE to Windows (or paid stuff). OSS and GNU/Linux are NOT ALTERNATIVES to paid software.

Why do I use Linux? Coz I can't afford Windows and I do not want to pirate Windows? No! I use Linux coz I want to and I also use Windows (fyi a legal version) coz again I want to.

If you wanna put forth the analogy that Linux is a free alternative to Windows and people use if only due to that reason then wouldn't it be correct to say OSS users are pirates? I mean, the thinking leads to something like this: OSS users can't buy Windows, so they use free GNU/Linux distros; since they can't buy Windows they won't buy songs, so won't this analogy make them natural pirates???? Hence, this relation is flawed.

Do you think copyright infringement doesn't happen in OSS? Many a times, GPL'd stuff is taken, modified and released under someone's name. So an OSS doesn't come with a bond that you need to adhere to all copyrights otherwise you'd be hanged. There haf been lotsa cases like these.

Secondly, it is a big mistake that OSS = Linux! People say ANi (infra) is an OSS user coz he uses Ubuntu. Correct. But nobody says Ashwin (drgrudge) is an OSS user, but he's Mac user (which is also partly correct). Why? He uses VLC, Adium etc. Doesn't that make him an OSS user? So we need to clear some basic concepts. Who is an OSS user, is OSS an alternative to Windows (and paid software?) Are OSS and piracy related?

Charan, its like saying: Dude, you are an OSS user; so you can't zerox a portion of a novel. Now isn't zeroxing a part of novel also piracy? Why is this not taken into a/c? Just coz its not related to computers? So from the title it is implied that if you are an OSS user you should lead an ideal life, obey all rules, never give bribes (again, isn't it against the laws just like piracy?).

Now I dunno if its piracy but recently I bought an OSO cd and put the ripped music in my cellphone. If it is, then I'm a pirate.

Oh yes, one thing I'm sure of which I pirated (and the only thing I pirated) was downloading a pre-dvd rip of Transformers many months which I am yet to see!!! (yes, believe it or not I've still not seen Transformers).

Other than this I haf not pirated anything. But then you can't say hey I haf only one pirated movie which I've not even seen and dunno if I'll see it. Ther is no "degree" of piracy. A pirate is a pirate. So whether I watch it or delete it without watching, I've downloaded it; so I pirated it.

I goto theater to watch movies; I don't listen to music much other than soothing instrumentals (which I buy and rip, so prolly I'm a pirate again). If I like a movie, I buy the DVD (Thanks for moserbaer ).

To answer your question in my words:

Do OSS users infringe other copyrights

Yes, I do. I pirate by zeroxing parts of text books during my exams, I break laws by somtimes by jumping signals, I haf the legally bought-ripped OSO songs and instrumentals on my cellphone, I haf Transformers pre-DVD "downloaded" rip on my HDD. So do I infringe other copyrights? YES.

Is is correct for "OSS Users" to infringe other copyrights? YOU DECIDE IT AFTER READING MY REPLY ABOVE.

PS: Charan, No Flash on my PC. I go there to work on it. And I'm trying out Quanta now. I know you'd ask about it, so clarifying here

 

[Faun]

who made up all the rule, we follow them like fools, but leave them to be true, don't care to think them through.

..lol

 

[shantanu]

drgrudge : i guess you should take care of the thread in which you are present..

 

[FilledVoid]

Im not a fanboy too.. I too use Linux and consided superior over other OS.

I don't recall implying that you were one?

Im talking about the GPL licence.

Read the below . I believe it contains a more than adequate enough explanation to your question about Ubuntu and the GPL License.

When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.

To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others.

For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.

Source : *www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html

To be specific OSS promoters should say "I don't Pirate cause I understand about Copyrights and Copylefts"

You answered your phrase adequately enough. Emphasis on "OSS Promoters."

 

[Gigacore]

duh

*www.cmta.com/Home_files/logo_250.jpg

THE FACTS ABOUT DOWNLOADING, FILE SHARING, AND CD BURNING

 

[QwertyManiac]

Gigacore - What does that link prove? :\ Duh yourself.

 

[FilledVoid]

Yes regardless of whether you are an OSS user or not it just doesn't make it right.

 

[Gigacore]

Gigacore - What does that link prove? :\ Duh yourself.

nope.. not regarding the fight.. and not about OSS too.. just wanted share the link coz i found really a shocking thing for me...

I searched for that after few fight here and read it twice.. this is wat made me to share the link:

EFFECTS ON YOU
Music piracy doesn’t just affect the music industry, it affects you as well. When you use software that facilitates illegal downloads, you open your computer to unwanted pornography, security breaches, and viruses. Illegal downloading and file-sharing is also subject to federal prosecution. Here are a few facts:

1. The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) can sue for as much as $150,000 per song illegally downloaded.
2. Almost 2000 individuals have been sued by the RIAA for illegally downloading as of March, 2004.
3. More than 400 individuals have settled, paying fines averaging $3000.
4. The Department of Justice recently announced the creation of the Intellectual Property Task Force, which examines all aspects of how the DOJ handles intellectual property issues.

Now i'm aware of how dangerous can the music piracy can be..

 

[RCuber]

First of all as most said, OSS and piracy are not related. This thought lurks in the mind because of a fundamental misunderstanding: GNU/Linux (others etc.) is a free ALTERNATIVE to Windows (or paid stuff). OSS and GNU/Linux are NOT ALTERNATIVES to paid software.
Why do I use Linux? Coz I can't afford Windows and I do not want to pirate Windows? No! I use Linux coz I want to and I also use Windows (fyi a legal version) coz again I want to.

If you wanna put forth the analogy that Linux is a free alternative to Windows and people use if only due to that reason then wouldn't it be correct to say OSS users are pirates? I mean, the thinking leads to something like this: OSS users can't buy Windows, so they use free GNU/Linux distros; since they can't buy Windows they won't buy songs, so won't this analogy make them natural pirates???? Hence, this relation is flawed.

I never said OSS and piracy are related, its the OSS supporters im relating to copyright violation. Also check back I never mentioned about windows.. I always wrote about copyright violation.

Secondly, it is a big mistake that OSS = Linux! People say ANi (infra) is an OSS user coz he uses Ubuntu. Correct. But nobody says Ashwin (drgrudge) is an OSS user, but he's Mac user (which is also partly correct). Why? He uses VLC, Adium etc. Doesn't that make him an OSS user? So we need to clear some basic concepts. Who is an OSS user, is OSS an alternative to Windows (and paid software?) Are OSS and piracy related?

Yes you are correct. OSS is not Linux..

Do you think copyright infringement doesn't happen in OSS? Many a times, GPL'd stuff is taken, modified and released under someone's name. So an OSS doesn't come with a bond that you need to adhere to all copyrights otherwise you'd be hanged. There haf been lotsa cases like these.

Charan, its like saying: Dude, you are an OSS user; so you can't zerox a portion of a novel. Now isn't zeroxing a part of novel also piracy? Why is this not taken into a/c? Just coz its not related to computers? So from the title it is implied that if you are an OSS user you should lead an ideal life, obey all rules, never give bribes (again, isn't it against the laws just like piracy?).

Im not saying that he should not.. infact copyright violation is a crime.

Now I dunno if its piracy but recently I bought an OSO cd and put the ripped music in my cellphone. If it is, then I'm a pirate.

You have not made a unauthorised copy, you are using it all by youself and not distributing it. so its not piracy.

I goto theater to watch movies; I don't listen to music much other than soothing instrumentals (which I buy and rip, so prolly I'm a pirate again). If I like a movie, I buy the DVD (Thanks for moserbaer ).

ripping music for yourself from the CD which you have bought isnt piracy.

PS: Charan, No Flash on my PC. I go there to work on it. And I'm trying out Quanta now. I know you'd ask about it, so clarifying here

No, I would not ask you this question ever nor I have asked any one in this thread regarding other properitory software .

Is is correct for "OSS Users" to infringe other copyrights? YOU DECIDE IT AFTER READING MY REPLY ABOVE.

ok .. now here comes the main part..

My mistake that I put a wrong title "Do OSS users infringe other Copyrights".
now can we differenciate with OSS users and OSS supporters/promoters ?

An OSS user may or may not know about the licence which came with his software. He uses it cause he likes it. He can do what ever he wants with the product.

Next comes OSS Supporters/Promoters. Who are these guys?
can these guys be considered as OSS supporters/promoters .

I felt it is superior and the ideas of Open Source and Open Standards are what make knowledge spreads without locks

*The philosophy behind OSS movement*

And don't compare the spirit of OSS with that of the pirates.

Now the except from GPL.

To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights.

This is the specific line i was looking for.If I deny the rights to the end user then will be violating GPL and the spirit of OSS.. right guys?

Read the below . I believe it contains a more than adequate enough explanation to your question about Ubuntu and the GPL License.

can you tell me one word "Yes" or "No" to my Ubuntu and GPL question.

 

[eddie]

so you say you dont care about GNU GPL or Music/Movie copyrights.

I care about both of them but they are entirely different. I am not bound to care about one if I care about another. It is not an AND situation where if I care about one thing I HAVE to care about the other one. Its not like if I care about GNU GPL...I have to care about Music copyright as well...or vice versa. While using Open Source Software...I am free to do anything I want without any strings attached. Then why am I being targeted to explain my piracy? Why point finger at me or at some other OSS user for instance and make him explain his/her piracy?

I use OSS and understand what it ment for.

So you ever read something like "Thou Shall not Pirate" in GNU GPL? I am sorry if I missed that part. AFAIK using OSS has nothing to do with condemning or condoning piracy. It is just about using, changing and sharing software you like...the way you want. Where does anyone pirating anything comes in picture anyways?

Many OSS are distributed under GNU GPL License and many here understand it very well. They also promote OSS, even in irrelevent threads. I have been asked by many to make our software opensource, to be specific to be released under GPL.

Once again...nothing to do with Piracy.

OSS supporters want everything to be under GNU GPL or its varients, but on the other hand dont give a damn about respecting others copyright.

GNU GPL has nothing do with Copyright...so the whole point is moot.

They even go against technologies which is trying to protect copyrighted material for been distributed illegally.

Examples?