@Anorion,just because a wrong law is not used does not make that law any more right.if you had read previous posts you would understood it.just an amendment of section 377 to make exception for LGBT/straight people is enough without removing the whole section.also it is a matter of principle & not just some minor bedroom inconvenience.what consenting LGBT/straight adults do in the privacy of their bedroom is not the business of courts/govt unless it threatens safety of others.
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got that, the amendment in 2009 clarified that what consenting adults do does not come under ambit of 377. the 2013 judgment said it was not up to the court to decide on the exception. this may be a step backward, or just delayed realization that what the court did was unconstitutional (amending, not deliberately making it criminal again).
still, have to think how much that particular section is responsible for lack of acceptance and prosecution of the LGBT community in the first place. from what Skud posted, it looks like it was an obscure, rarely used section, where it was used only for sexual perversions (the buffalo nostril thingy).
not talking about police using it to blackmail members of the LGBT community, which is another crime, but actual judgments where consenting adults were convicted under that section.
still, have to think how much that particular section is responsible for lack of acceptance and prosecution of the LGBT community in the first place. from what Skud posted, it looks like it was an obscure, rarely used section, where it was used only for sexual perversions (the buffalo nostril thingy).
not talking about police using it to blackmail members of the LGBT community, which is another crime, but actual judgments where consenting adults were convicted under that section.
like i said it is about principle.sure LGBTs will not get acceptance of society but at least in terms of law they will get it.as of now according to law LGBTs normal bedroom activities are not equal to straight people normal bedroom activities meaning LGBTs=/=straight people.
Small correction, it was not an amendment, only the judgement/decision/clarification of the court, which doesn't constitute as an amendment of act, but merely as an interpretation of the act. The parliament was supposed to carry out the amendment which it didn't. Questions should be asked to Kapil Sibal & Co., why they were sleeping all these years. Also to the NGO and other related people. Its the media/politicians/defendants/supporters which are making it look like the law was changed and now brought back to its original form, which is hardly the case. HC interpreted in one way, SC the other.
Another example, SC's judgement some 2-3 years back, that pre-marital sex is not a statutory offence. Again, this is nothing but a judgement/interpretation of existing law, no act has been amended afaik which make it explicitly legal to have pre-marital sex. However, in case of a dispute, this judgement can be used as a defense. What SC's recent judgement has done, it has taken away one line of defense from LGBT against perceived offenses which the NGO has failed to prove even exists in the society.
Any link to the video ?
bssunilreddy
Chosen of the Omnissiah
ardhanareshwara is a hermaphrodite aka .5 fellas.
rhitwick
Democracy is a myth
^^ Completely agree with AK. It's a dream come true if that really happens. I suppose the people of Delhi now know whom to vote for if the election is done again.
Found this comic cover..lol
*www.rajcomics.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/RCKA-0021-H.jpg
Found this comic cover..lol
*www.rajcomics.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/RCKA-0021-H.jpg
rhitwick
Democracy is a myth
After the 377 ruling of SC every possible political party expressed their stand on it. I found BJP rather quite on this issue. Had to do a google search to know what they actually mean.
And this is what they had to say about 377,
Also,
BJP backs Section 377, says western culture cannot be brought to India
BJP will not support 'unnatural' homosexuality: Rajnath Singh | Firstpost
And this is what they had to say about 377,
Homosexuality not natural, won't back it: BJP chief - Times Of India
Also,
BJP backs Section 377, says western culture cannot be brought to India
BJP will not support 'unnatural' homosexuality: Rajnath Singh | Firstpost
Hrishi
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And now majority of FB pages and posts are filled with this Indian Official who got molested/ill-treated by US officials because she was caught doing something wrong with her maid.
Khursid said - He'll not come back to the House , if he fails to return her dignity.
"Why don't they say the same for Our Beloved soldiers who get beheaded ruthlessly protecting the dignity of our nation and our precious life. ? Not a word for them , "Kadi ninda karte rah jaoge buddho..."
And now a Sudden step to challenge United States , hmmm... seems fishy to me. They can voice against US but not Pakistan.
Khursid said - He'll not come back to the House , if he fails to return her dignity.
"Why don't they say the same for Our Beloved soldiers who get beheaded ruthlessly protecting the dignity of our nation and our precious life. ? Not a word for them , "Kadi ninda karte rah jaoge buddho..."
And now a Sudden step to challenge United States , hmmm... seems fishy to me. They can voice against US but not Pakistan.
Skyh3ck
Cyborg Agent
That lady was caught doing wrong as per us laws. And they take it seriously. They respect even sweeper also. Hence its not new for them to enforce law no matter who u are. I understand that diplomats have some privileges. But why we forget that many rich Indians still treat house maid and servant as slave. And no I read in newspaper that our government has taken all extra privileges given to us diplomats in India. I mean why u gave extra privileges. Did they ask for it. And as homosexuality is now a crime in India. Does our Indian governments has guts to arrest any homosexual us diplomats ???
Hrishi
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How will they find them ? Lol .....
Btw , I am pretty sure this is just showoff . Indian government doesn't have the guts to arrest them. Indian economy is feeding on usa.
The lady somehow has links to the congrezz .
CommanderShawnzer
Steam High Templar
Its not that she was arrested,its because she was subjected to this
Now,is she one of those "Drug Carriers" or some "terrorist" to be subjected to all this
And SHE IS A F**KING DIPLOMAT.SHE HAS IMMUNITY.EVERY DIPLOMAT HAS IMMUNITY.Some guy used his immunity after he was arrested on a wife-beating charge in Britain
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those who are saying what's the big fuss about this IFS lady incident probably don't know anything about international politics & standing.no matter what the circumstances were it is the manner in which she was arrested & processed which is normally used for hard core criminals & gang members that needs strong protest because if India can't even do this then it should as well ask its diplomats & consulate officials to wear US flag pins for a reminder that who is the real boss.btw i would love to see such treatment meted out to a chinese diplomat but i know that won't happen because China is not India which can be taken so lightly.
consular immunity, not diplomatic immunity applies in this case, the key difference being arrests and detentions are allowed
skeletor
Chosen of the Omnissiah
The right way to look at this:
1) Indians are idiots. Always looking for cheap labour everywhere. She probably did do something wrong. Every Indian household has this habit of employing domestic help for cheap and getting all work done from them. She carried this over to USA. May be I can be wrong on this one.
2) She does have some sort of immunity. The manner in which she was treated as unacceptable. So, USA is definitely wrong.
3) Good reaction by India. Showed some balls. Has put USA in its rightful place.
4) The people at fault are (may be) the lady and definitely the US of A.
5) We also very well know how much embassies of all "developed" countries pay to their low-level staff here in India.
1) Indians are idiots. Always looking for cheap labour everywhere. She probably did do something wrong. Every Indian household has this habit of employing domestic help for cheap and getting all work done from them. She carried this over to USA. May be I can be wrong on this one.
2) She does have some sort of immunity. The manner in which she was treated as unacceptable. So, USA is definitely wrong.
3) Good reaction by India. Showed some balls. Has put USA in its rightful place.
4) The people at fault are (may be) the lady and definitely the US of A.
5) We also very well know how much embassies of all "developed" countries pay to their low-level staff here in India.
^^regarding point no. 1,you indeed are a bit wrong though not entirely.the reason for getting domestic help is that if indian govt start hiring US citizens then spending bill will increase significantly & apparently indian govt is not so rich considering that ministers visits only for a few days but here we are talking about years(of course even a 2% decrease in corruption in FCI should be more than enough to cover this). 
as for wages it is more of a technicality as though indian housemaids get smaller cash in hand but they also get benefits like free accommodation,no worries about power,water bill etc which is quite a benefit in expensive major US cities like New York.
as for wages it is more of a technicality as though indian housemaids get smaller cash in hand but they also get benefits like free accommodation,no worries about power,water bill etc which is quite a benefit in expensive major US cities like New York.