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[CommanderShawnzer]

Said Maid/Domestic Help is nowhere to be seen

 

[whitestar_999]

that's because she made a deal with US law agencies to help in testifying against her employer.it is something similar to witness protection where in exchange for testifying one is given certain benefits like in this case visa/possible US citizenship to alleged victim of human trafficking & their immediate family members which in this case is maid & her husband & children.quite pathetic in my opinion & then people wonder how US failed to see threat of extremists it created to fight Russians in Afghanistan.it's because state department of US is full of incompetent people.

 

[skeletor]

^^regarding point no. 1,you indeed are a bit wrong though not entirely.the reason for getting domestic help is that if indian govt start hiring US citizens then spending bill will increase significantly & apparently indian govt is not so rich considering that ministers visits only for a few days but here we are talking about years(of course even a 2% decrease in corruption in FCI should be more than enough to cover this). as for wages it is more of a technicality as though indian housemaids get smaller cash in hand but they also get benefits like free accommodation,no worries about power,water bill etc which is quite a benefit in expensive major US cities like New York.

What I meant was, the normal people in USA don't really hire domestic help. They can't afford, it is expensive just like you said. So they do everything themselves no matter what the problem. Even handle small kids. Baby sitters? They cost a bomb even for people living there.

Somehow an Indian goes there, still feels the need of having a maid! Old habits die hard.

 

[whitestar_999]

well according to reasons given apparently diplomats/consulate officials need domestic help so as to better concentrate on their work but then if they were doing such a terrific job then India's foreign policy(& they) wouldn't be in such a mess today.frankly speaking most of the people in IFS are not suited for the job.i am amazed that despite knowing well about US high-handedness in dealing with persons ranging from popular actors like Shahrukh Khan to former president APJ Kalam people in Indian consulate didn't even think twice before bringing domestic help with them when one maid in past sued & even won a million dollar claim against a former Indian diplomat.it is like they said:"even god help those who help themselves".let's hope this incident will put an end to this practice & frankly speaking if a person can't even manage his home without domestic help then i seriously doubt his capability to handle relations between nations.

 

[skeletor]

^^ well said.

 

[Hrishi]

My question was about govt. Suddenly showing some balls , that too against States , but can't do shite about the problems pakistan creates ???

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

My question was about govt. Suddenly showing some balls , that too against States , but can't do shite about the problems pakistan creates ???

Election-Time makes Congress grow balls and BJP "secular"

 

[Skyh3ck]

Look at the father of the lady blames at domestic help. What I found after reading all newspapers and reports in media that the Lady has definitely done wrong by getting visa on false information for domestic help. Feel very bad that our country man don't behave even when they go abroad.

And anyone know about recent incident in UK where an Indian couple kept few ladies as slaves for many years.. Are we Indians are such evil towards other people life and dignity. Thou I feel bad for the diplomat. But she leaned a good lesson now. Come on face the reality you can not behave abroad the way you behave in India.

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

Look at the father of the lady blames at domestic help. What I found after reading all newspapers and reports in media that the Lady has definitely done wrong by getting visa on false information for domestic help. Feel very bad that our country man don't behave even when they go abroad.

And anyone know about recent incident in UK where an Indian couple kept few ladies as slaves for many years.. Are we Indians are such evil towards other people life and dignity. Thou I feel bad for the diplomat. But she leaned a good lesson now. Come on face the reality you can not behave abroad the way you behave in India.

Do you know that couple was Maoist?

I also read that said maid was paid Equivalent of Rs.25k P.M which is close to what a fresher gets in a IT company(i'm right about this right?correct me if i am wrong)
Another thing to note that naukars there are paid per hour,and here they are paid per month.

 

[Hrishi]

Do you know that couple was Maoist?

I also read that said maid was paid Equivalent of Rs.25k P.M which is close to what a fresher gets in a IT company(i'm right about this right?correct me if i am wrong)
Another thing to note that naukars there are paid per hour,and here they are paid per month.

Not all freshers get that package. Not all.

 

[Kl@w-24]

I also read that said maid was paid Equivalent of Rs.25k P.M which is close to what a fresher gets in a IT company(i'm right about this right?correct me if i am wrong)
Another thing to note that naukars there are paid per hour,and here they are paid per month.

What she did was, she took an Indian worker to the US (using forged(?) Visa papers) and paid her wages below US wage regulations. Doesn't matter if it equates to 25K or 30K INR in India. Going by that logic you would buy a bottle of water for 200 INR there (and cry yourself to sleep every night).
Any IT guy sent onsite receives payment which is at par with what a person having similar position, experience & qualifications would receive in the US. Then it doesn't matter if it equates to 2.5L INR, despite the Indian salary being only 40K. This is the biggest reason why everyone's dying to go onsite.

 

[whitestar_999]

minimum wage is to prevent exploitation of illegal immigrants not persons living in with consulate officials.maid gets less than minimum wage but then she also doesn't have to pay apartment rent(new york is the costliest US city),electricity bill,water bill & food expenses.this is like saying giving a maid a proper room in mumbai(proper not those dingy slum) with free food,power,water & good locality with a salary of Rs.10000/month is bad.

 

[Hrishi]

What she did was, she took an Indian worker to the US (using forged(?) Visa papers) and paid her wages below US wage regulations. Doesn't matter if it equates to 25K or 30K INR in India. Going by that logic you would buy a bottle of water for 200 INR there (and cry yourself to sleep every night).
Any IT guy sent onsite receives payment which is at par with what a person having similar position, experience & qualifications would receive in the US. Then it doesn't matter if it equates to 2.5L INR, despite the Indian salary being only 40K. This is the biggest reason why everyone's dying to go onsite.

But the cost of living is high too in USA. Way higher. Not to mention the extremely expensive healthcare.

 

[Kl@w-24]

But the cost of living is high too in USA. Way higher. Not to mention the extremely expensive healthcare.

Exactly. Which is why they have the minimum wage regulation. Go below that and you're done.

minimum wage is to prevent exploitation of illegal immigrants not persons living in with consulate officials.maid gets less than minimum wage but then she also doesn't have to pay apartment rent(new york is the costliest US city),electricity bill,water bill & food expenses.this is like saying giving a maid a proper room in mumbai(proper not those dingy slum) with free food,power,water & good locality with a salary of Rs.10000/month is bad.

But would you pay the maid 10K after allowing her all those amenities?

 

[dashing.sujay]

The difference between salaries paid to maids in India itself is highly varying. In metros it may range to 5 figure monthly salary, but in tier-3 cities, you may get them for as cheap as 3 figure salary for a month !

Indians, as usual like to save money everywhere.

 

[Hrishi]

The difference between salaries paid to maids in India itself is highly varying. In metros it may range to 5 figure monthly salary, but in tier-3 cities, you may get them for as cheap as 3 figure salary for a month !

Indians, as usual like to save money everywhere.

Don't wanna offend some of them around here , but most of Indians have a miser in them. Not saying it's bad or good , but its the truth.

 

[dashing.sujay]

Don't wanna offend some of them around here , but most of Indians have a miser in them. Not saying it's bad or good , but its the truth.

That trend is gradually fading out.

And why would one be offended ? It's all about priorities and satisfaction.

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

I read this in TOI

Khobragade's fathes was an IAS officer with many political connections

Now i get what this crapstorm is about

 

[whitestar_999]

even if he wasn't this would have become an issue just with a little more delay.the reason being humiliated diplomat is IFS & it is IFS which handles & oversee all foreign relations matters in govt. offices.one of the reasons Durga Shakti issue gained this much attention was because IAS association united to support her.same happened in this case after she emailed her IFS colleagues about strip search & cavity search which really blew the issue.remember in India unions/associations are a powerful force.btw her father is a retired IAS officer.

 

[skeletor]

I doubt anyone read this: MEA 'bent' rules to favour Devyani Khobragade - The Economic Times

Some IFS office named Mahaveer Singhvi, same batch as Devyani, he was alotted a different language than the one he opted for. He had opted for German and had scored a higher rank than Devyani. But Devyani was given German.

The source of whatever I will write below is this: Mahaveer C. Singhvi vs Union Of India And Ors on 29 August, 2008

The availability of slots was indicated as follows; French -- 2 slots; German -- 1 slot; Russian -- 2 slots; Chinese -- 1 slot; Spanish -- 1 slot; and Arabic, -- 2 slots. The petitioner is stated to have indicated his language preference as, French, German, Arabic, and Spanish, in that order. According to the petitioner, since he was placed at serial number 5 in order of seniority in the batch consisting of 9 officers, the four officers senior to him were to be accommodated first. They were allotted French, Russian, Chinese and French respectively. Consequently, the two slots for French already stood exhausted. Since the slot for German was still vacant and his second preference happened to be German, the petitioner ought to have been allotted that language.

This guy was given Spanish and not his second preference German. That went to Devyani.

Then he protested against it. To know how it went to Devyani, read the following:

The petitioner states that his efforts to have this rectified ultimately resulted in a serious animosity with the second respondent, Mr. P.L. Goyal, who happened to be the Additional Secretary at that time. This happened because, after a fruitless meeting with The Joint Secretary, the petitioner met Mr. Goyal who informed him that for his batch of officers, the criteria for allocation had been changed. He said that this time, the criteria adopted was to grant the preferred language to officers by placing them in a new order, which consisted of choosing one from the top of the list, and the next from the very bottom, of the list of nine officers. By this method, the order of precedence for the allocation of foreign language to the officers in the petitioner's batch became 1, 9, 2, 8, 3, 7, 4, 6 and lastly, 5. Since the petitioner was placed at S.No.5, he was therefore, relegated to the very last place in order of precedence. When the petitioner protested against this utterly irrational method, he was warned by Mr. P.L. Goyal against raising any protest in this matter.

So this guy Mahaveer Singhvi was warned. Somehow this "bending of rules" leaked out to the media and came in newspaper. Mr. P.L. Goyal, the Additional Secretary or may be others developed an animosity for him?

Before all this, may be Mahaveer Singhvi has dated some girl for some time. The girl's family proposed a marriage. Mahaveer's family rejected. Then the girl's family started to plot against Mahaveer like a typical Hindi serial. yeah, true and I don't want to quote that. Aaaaand, somehow they forged an alliance with Mahaveer's "not-so-well wishers" aka enemies and Mahaveer Singhvi was wrongly dismissed.

Later he won the case after 6 years and has been reinstated with proper compensation.

Read the link I gave completely.

So, somehow Devyani's mischief for getting German almost costed this guy's career.

Doodh ki dhuli nahi hai ye.