"ASTROLOGY" - A big Bluff Game - Researchers !!

[skeletor]

Well, I don't believe in Astrology but I believe in one thing though:

"Just take care of the present, the future will itself become brighter".......

So, I don't find any reason of believing in Astrology....

 

[naveen_reloaded]

well said gagandeep !!!!! true...

instead wastingtime with a astrologer do these..

1.) grow trees
2.)water them if u have any
3.)help thepoor
4.)donate the money you are going to spend to some orghanage

 

[Faun]

who trained ?? and wht did they train ??? coincidence dude... !!!he doesnt charge a penny ??? nice way , to geta escape route.. coz he cant be charged for anydamage his prediction could result in !!!!

Not everyone lives for money here, few people do believe in idea of free. If it weren't for these people, our world could have been mechanized very soon and tormented by the stupidest steps taken by mankind.

When u r attached with possessions, it divulge out the greed and then the intent to murder.

Your idea is like you can charge a software company for any damage done to your data ? Lol...even paid one doesn't guarantee the perfect operation.

I dont get you ... if a bad thing is going to be prevented by his prediction doesnt it mean that the future of the client( the one who seeks advice from these astrologers) is good ????
if its true then ?? are astologers near to god ( i dont believe in god either) who can change future of a person ???
if so why could astrologers prevented so many deaths in tsunami which hit few yeas back in southindia??? were they selffish ?? or simply is that they cant predict such large diasters ??? or sadist ??? like letthose poor souls die./..!!!!

Its not like they hav the complete picture with digital footage of whats going to happen to you in near future. But a vague indication of something significant but not exactly what. Its upto you to sense the way u r heading and the consequences will be borne by you, u can change ur destiny if u r smart enuf or else u will be dumbfounded by that significant event to happen.

Why would anyone try to break the laws of nature, the way things are going. They could have foretold the Tsunami, but not exactly. They didnt cuz what we sow shall we reap. In the end what goes around comes around right in our face. We hav dome much damage to the nature.

well said gagandeep !!!!! true...

instead wastingtime with a astrologer do these..

1.) grow trees
2.)water them if u have any
3.)help thepoor
4.)donate the money you are going to spend to some orghanage

lol man u were abt to do charity.

Btw you met with the wrong guys who make it as a profession, and all those crap in newspaper. Do you believe in something that is for commercial gain, wtf...all business shows that they are competing than other. Its just the shallow presentation, nothing else.

 

[darklord]

the simplest fact was.. yes i agree they were finding many things regarding ASTRONOMY.... which very much differs from ASTROLOGY ! and they tried to integrate both of them to make ASTROLOGY a legit stuff...

then wht it is ????



astrology gave way to pure billion dollar bussiness.... !!!

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who trained ?? and wht did they train ??? coincidence dude... !!!he doesnt charge a penny ??? nice way , to geta escape route.. coz he cant be charged for anydamage his prediction could result in !!!!



I dont get you ... if a bad thing is going to be prevented by his prediction doesnt it mean that the future of the client( the one who seeks advice from these astrologers) is good ????
if its true then ?? are astologers near to god ( i dont believe in god either) who can change future of a person ???
if so why could astrologers prevented so many deaths in tsunami which hit few yeas back in southindia??? were they selffish ?? or simply is that they cant predict such large diasters ??? or sadist ??? like letthose poor souls die./..!!!!




think again dude.... you just want a answer to carry on your life... just a answer and you didnt care to loook into the content of it.... think AGAIN !!!




oooppps ...sorry i dint see this .... sorry anyway if i had hurted you in neway..

just want to clear things out...

double cheers

Well the person in question is a relative of mine and as far as i know, i know him much more than you do.SO before making some rash comments about someone you DONT know,think twice.I respect your thinking and ideology but that doesnt give you the right to assume things and bash up someone, be careful what you say about someone.
Prediction does not mean solution dear.
I forgot to mention, he himself said, even if something is predicted, you cannot stop it but atleast you can try to minimise the damage.

As for his 'TRAINING', it was imparted to him by his father who was a well respected Doctor ( Vaid in ancient times) who also had knowledge of astrology (The traditional indian method)
Mind you, he was NOT an astrologer but a Vaid by profession.He knew Rigveda by heart.I dont know many who are capable of that,for me he was special if he could remember a complete set of Veda amongst the 4 Vedas.
I dont think people get trained from childhood to con people in the future.

As for the relative i am refering to, he was a govt. employee by profession and is retired and leading a simple life.(Read: middle class, live off the pension of his and wifes)He has no child for whom he needs to build a fortune and hence started this to mint money. His idea is to help people with whatever knowledge he has,plain and simple.You might not believe but there are people in this world for whom, money is not everything.
SO before making judgements about someone think twice, as you may be insulting someone unknowingly.

Cheers !

 

[praka123]

well,many people study astrology although they are well paid by other jobs ,I know,many such people who are s/w Engineers by profession,but due to ancestoral knowledge of Ayurveda and Sarpa Pooja(nairs of kerala) which somehow got connection with these sciences too(Astrology etc).

I am amazed by the ability of these people how they knows everything.
there is another thing called "Para Hrudaya Gnanam" meaning , knowing your thinking!thats amazing!

No,we are not going back to olden days.but Astrology is something which you have to Agree!there isnt proof for everything!Humans are limited;

Atheists,whoever I asked,just became impatient when I asked them,IF you are a non-believer of the creator,then pls explain,how this world is made?how?it ends in a random inifinte loop of thoughts?then your ideology sucks(atheism)

 

[karnivore]

@darklord

With all humility and respect for your relative, can you ask him, on my behalf, to establish a "cause" and "effect", between the planetary position and a random future event.

Let me give u a hint and establish a "cause" and "effect", between a planetary position and a present event. When moon comes close to earth (cause) we have tides (effect), because of gravitational pulls (reason).

IF you are a non-believer of the creator,then pls explain,how this world is made?how?it ends in a random inifinte loop of thoughts?then your ideology sucks(atheism)

Before i reply to that bear a small rant of mine. I believe that all questions, can be classified into 4 groups:

#1. Questions that science has ANSWERED (i.e Applied science, e.g. Sun is the centre of the solar system and all planets go around it)

#2. Questions that science is YET to answer (i.e. Theoretical science, e.g. Big Bang, Dark Matter etc./ Speculative science, e.g. SuperString Theory, Black Hole etc.)

#3. Questions that are plain WRONG. (i.e. Prejudice, e.g. "What is the purpose of life ?" - This question is prejudiced by the assumption, that THERE IS PURPOSE of life, waiting to be uncovered.)

#4. Questions that science DOES NOT YET KNOW, exist. (i.e. The Unknown/ Unobserved events - this is somewhat a redundant category.)

The question, "how the world is made" falls within the category #2, assuming that you are really asking how this universe was made. If you are literally asking how this world was made, then it is category #1 question and is not at all a mystery. Turning the pages of some astronomy or better still, astrophysics will tell you how (i.e. if you really want to know).

Your second question belongs to category #3. You have to first establish, that this universe actually ends, then establish that it ends, like you say it ends.

Now, let me rephrase your questions, just a little bit.

IF you are a believer of creator, then please prove there is indeed a creator. If you can't, then your ideology sucks (theism)

 

[Faun]

#1. Questions that science has ANSWERED (i.e Applied science, e.g. Sun is the centre of the solar system and all planets go around it)

i doubt the first question itself

 

[naveen_reloaded]

Not everyone lives for money here, few people do believe in idea of free. If it weren't for these people, our world could have been mechanized very soon and tormented by the stupidest steps taken by mankind.

wait .. even popularity for some people is equivalent to money.. leave it ...
wht do u mean by these people.. please dont say6 that it denotes astrologersss... they are making others stupids... and thats more harmful if u take my word...

When u r attached with possessions, it divulge out the greed and then the intent to murder.

Your idea is like you can charge a software company for any damage done to your data ? Lol...even paid one doesn't guarantee the perfect operation.

LOL !!!!

Its not like they hav the complete picture with digital footage of whats going to happen to you in near future. But a vague indication of something significant but not exactly what. Its upto you to sense the way u r heading and the consequences will be borne by you, u can change ur destiny if u r smart enuf or else u will be dumbfounded by that significant event to happen.

Why would anyone try to break the laws of nature, the way things are going. They could have foretold the Tsunami, but not exactly. They didnt cuz what we sow shall we reap. In the end what goes around comes around right in our face. We hav dome much damage to the nature.

Dude please dont try to support a worhtless idea with more worthless visions !!!
wait if they that VAGUE idea of something is gona happen.... wait how many times did we hear from great astrologers and people like them predicting our worlds doom on particular year or a day... if u rememeber ... they told world is going to end by 2000 .... please dont give more stupid supporting ideas... for a $$ illusionistic bussiness $$$

lol man u were abt to do charity.

Atleast i am not supporting some dumb ideas... LOL!!!

Btw you met with the wrong guys who make it as a profession, and all those crap in newspaper. Do you believe in something that is for commercial gain, wtf...all business shows that they are competing than other. Its just the shallow presentation, nothing else.

sorry if sooo then hope your real astrologers are not in mars ????

Well the person in question is a relative of mine and as far as i know, i know him much more than you do.SO before making some rash comments about someone you DONT know,think twice.I respect your thinking and ideology but that doesnt give you the right to assume things and bash up someone, be careful what you say about someone.
Prediction does not mean solution dear.
I forgot to mention, he himself said, even if something is predicted, you cannot stop it but atleast you can try to minimise the damage.

sorry for harsh words ... i take back .. but my basic point stands stillssss

As for his 'TRAINING', it was imparted to him by his father who was a well respected Doctor ( Vaid in ancient times) who also had knowledge of astrology (The traditional indian method)
Mind you, he was NOT an astrologer but a Vaid by profession.He knew Rigveda by heart.I dont know many who are capable of that,for me he was special if he could remember a complete set of Veda amongst the 4 Vedas.
I dont think people get trained from childhood to con people in the future.

ya dont worry thats how everthing gets to next generation !!!

A wiki quote for your vaid

The Vaids regard themselves to be the descendants of Dronacharya, the Generalissimo of the Kauravas in the Kurukshetra war of the Mahabharata. Drona was born a brahmin, son of Bharadwaja, in modern day Dehradoon (a modification of dehra-dron, a clay pot), which implies that he was not gestated in a womb, but outside the human body in a Droon (vessel). Vaid also means doctor in Hindi.

when i find the true meaning for vaid itself is very contradictory , i cant accept or any rational thinker cant acceptthe astrologer part of vaid or anyother who have astrological power... these are all the urban legends just like astrology !! and religion stuff and eventually GOD !!!

As for the relative i am refering to, he was a govt. employee by profession and is retired and leading a simple life.(Read: middle class, live off the pension of his and wifes)He has no child for whom he needs to build a fortune and hence started this to mint money. His idea is to help people with whatever knowledge he has,plain and simple.You might not believe but there are people in this world for whom, money is not everything.
SO before making judgements about someone think twice, as you may be insulting someone unknowingly.

sorry but doesnt still validate the proof of power of astrology .....

again i respect your relative as a person.. and i didnt mean any hasrh word or offence,... i said all these to prove that astrology part...
if anytthing i said hurted you , its not intentional...

well,many people study astrology although they are well paid by other jobs ,I know,many such people who are s/w Engineers by profession,but due to ancestoral knowledge of Ayurveda and Sarpa Pooja(nairs of kerala) which somehow got connection with these sciences too(Astrology etc).

I am amazed by the ability of these people how they knows everything.
there is another thing called "Para Hrudaya Gnanam" meaning , knowing your thinking!thats amazing!

another one who cant think rational...

No,we are not going back to olden days.but Astrology is something which you have to Agree!there isnt proof for everything!Humans are limited;

ya... everytime someone says things like this .. some scientist proves something !!!!!!

Atheists,whoever I asked,just became impatient when I asked them,IF you are a non-believer of the creator,then pls explain,how this world is made?how?it ends in a random inifinte loop of thoughts?then your ideology sucks(atheism)

and please explain me who made your god , coz neither he cant be made out of thin air and make this fasinating universe !!! ???

@darklord

With all humility and respect for your relative, can you ask him, on my behalf, to establish a "cause" and "effect", between the planetary position and a random future event.

Let me give u a hint and establish a "cause" and "effect", between a planetary position and a present event. When moon comes close to earth (cause) we have tides (effect), because of gravitational pulls (reason).



Before i reply to that bear a small rant of mine. I believe that all questions, can be classified into 4 groups:

#1. Questions that science has ANSWERED (i.e Applied science, e.g. Sun is the centre of the solar system and all planets go around it)

#2. Questions that science is YET to answer (i.e. Theoretical science, e.g. Big Bang, Dark Matter etc./ Speculative science, e.g. SuperString Theory, Black Hole etc.)

#3. Questions that are plain WRONG. (i.e. Prejudice, e.g. "What is the purpose of life ?" - This question is prejudiced by the assumption, that THERE IS PURPOSE of life, waiting to be uncovered.)

#4. Questions that science DOES NOT YET KNOW, exist. (i.e. The Unknown/ Unobserved events - this is somewhat a redundant category.)

The question, "how the world is made" falls within the category #2, assuming that you are really asking how this universe was made. If you are literally asking how this world was made, then it is category #1 question and is not at all a mystery. Turning the pages of some astronomy or better still, astrophysics will tell you how (i.e. if you really want to know).

Your second question belongs to category #3. You have to first establish, that this universe actually ends, then establish that it ends, like you say it ends.

Now, let me rephrase your questions, just a little bit.

IF you are a believer of creator, then please prove there is indeed a creator. If you can't, then your ideology sucks (theism)

Excellent again karnivore... becoming a fan of yours !!!

 

[skeletor]

We should have belief in God but not in that Astrology BULL$HIT.....

It is only us, who can write our own destiny not those planetary positions.

We can't clear IIT-JEE without studying, can we?? Or should I say, we can clear JEE if we appear for at when time is fruitful for us. Then we can clear JEE without studying......

Even GOD says to write our destiny by ourselves not by having faith in those damn Astrologists........

Astrology is all BULL$HIT.......But I believe in God.

 

[darklord]

@ Naveen, i respect that you felt that assumed judgement was a bad idea.You have different opinion which is perfectly alright.I am not at all saying you should believe in astrology,nor was i saying you should do that.I was uneasy with your comments about my relative,which you clarified.
I appreciate that.
All good here

Coming back to the topic, basically when people tend to lose hope with continued bad patches in life and it is human nature to hang on to some hope so that their problems could end.I guess some turn to god, some rely on their capability, some turn to astrology, some seek peace with philosphers and so called Gurus. Thats about it i feel.
I myself believe in god, i am not a big fan of idol worship but when in need, when i pray to god to help me, it gives me strength and peace,not that my prayers actually do anything at all but atleast i feel better.Hope you guys get what i am trying to say.
My ideology of God is simple, there is some abstract power that governs everything and is more powerful than us and thats about it.

I have also seen people who are obsessed with astrology and idol worship,which is completely wrong.There is no substitute to hard work,if someone is trying to find an easy way out through astrology/worship etc. to avoid hard work, then they are sadly mistaken.

 

[x3060]

well thats a valid point . . balance is what life is all about . . too much science or god is a poison . and wekipedia . . dont depend on it too much . . as its not the ultimate . i believe you should read as much as you can and derive a conclusion and post stuffs . . if not you must not . . relying weki for such a topic is bad . . its like relying on escon version of gita . . krishna is never mentioned in gitas first lines . .

oh and i have been observing a lot of peoples now a days going by just one book or ref . . please note this is not targeted to any in particular . . . its a bad behaviour to keep our knowledge limited to one book or web page. . do a vast research then comment else dont (for or against). you can be neutral . . thats wisdom. cause these are written before our birth and certainly not by us (by our ancestors ofcourse).

 

[DigitalDude]

astrology is not a bluff game... a few bad apple so-called-astrologers are bringing bad name to it.

half baked knowledge is always dangerous

and I call this study a BS like many other studies that down play Indian Culture, History and Vedic practices.

I can predict the next study "Homeopathy - A big money ripping plan - researchers" funded by the big pharma companies

as an engineeer (and more a virgo) I value scientific study and logic over any superstitions but this study is pathetic. don't fall for the trap they are playing on us. If you happen to study astrology you will find that it also has very logical and systematic methods for calculation which are based on a lot of previous experiences, observations and ancestral knowledge. There are also a lot of scientific info and creative imaginations of various gadgets (eg. flying objects) in vedic literature - just an eg.

Its just like weather prediction. Just bcos a lof of the predictions go wrong you can't call the mathematical models used in the calculations as bluffing
science cannot answer all the questions of mankind. Its not there yet.

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[Faun]

wait .. even popularity for some people is equivalent to money.. leave it ...
wht do u mean by these people.. please dont say6 that it denotes astrologersss... they are making others stupids... and thats more harmful if u take my word...

I was sayingin general. Words are not enuf to make the meaning absolute. You can always leave something and critics will catch that. I think u got the idea wat am trying to say.

Dude please dont try to support a worhtless idea with more worthless visions !!!
wait if they that VAGUE idea of something is gona happen.... wait how many times did we hear from great astrologers and people like them predicting our worlds doom on particular year or a day... if u rememeber ... they told world is going to end by 2000 .... please dont give more stupid supporting ideas... for a $$ illusionistic bussiness $$$

Tell me how much of Einstein equations you can decipher, how much can u learn hise white papers ?
It depends upon person to person, how much he understand and learn to be the point of preciseness.

And who told the prophecy of something happening, it were a few of us who interpreted the words to something we wanted.

Ever seen that if any natural disaster comes, its the animals that first indicates the onset of them.

What is the probabily that you make some choice and the chances favor you to get the outcome ?

Even if u miss by 1 sec the outcome could be drastically changed with the same choice.

It is only us, who can write our own destiny not those planetary positions.

We can't clear IIT-JEE without studying, can we?? Or should I say, we can clear JEE if we appear for at when time is fruitful for us. Then we can clear JEE without studying......

worthless point, just tell me the probablity of a event gettting different outcome in a lapse of one second and the same choice by you ? How much control do you have for that last 1 second ? Even if u know u wont be able to do it perfect.

Of course you can clear IIT-JEE by hard work and a few cent of luck. But rememeber it is a exam that does nothing more than how you r proficient in that particular domain. It doesn't say that you are intelligent in everything, just you are good at that domain.

Ask a garage owner abt the einstein's law, he may not be able to see the head and tail, but take your yucked up vehicle to him and he will fix it within minutes.

 

[naveen_reloaded]

T159
dude you very much contradict your saying...
Yes i agree many things einstein said can be cracked!but again what you are again doing is linking a legit stuff with a fake one, making the latter more authenticate!which is what is happening for all there years...
You said each prediction can be taken by each in various meaning....it means two things...one .. Anyone's{it includes layman} prediction can be taken in different meaning by many...does that make the person's prediction authenticate?

Second... If it cant arrive to appropriate conclusion...then what is the purpose of the his prediction...even i can predict if you fakely hail me as the best astrologer in the world! Hope you get the point!

And about your taking chances..
You said the answer dude!there is no way we can predict the outcome as there are thousands of variables involved!
So stop running behind a astrologer to know whats gona happen to you, when he cant predict his own future! How stupid....these astrologers...,

Believe in science...it may not give answer for all , but atleast it will try ! Instead of wasting time to integrate facts with fiction and running away!
Dont make others fool!

 

[Faun]

My points are contradicting cuz am not in favor of either one, i just believe in both as much as i believe in idea of wisdom. Though not to the level of crappy predictions and proofs.

Am just trying to say that science is not the solution, it indeed is soing the same thing as was done by religion. Just the ways are different.

Flexibility is the room for survival.

 

[naveen_reloaded]

Cant you see the fact in front of you dude...
Science has just proved that astrology crap is fake...when few months before all those supporters of this supernatural thing would have given thousands of fake proof and would have asked others to answer their fictional story...
Now one down!the great astrology , which had been regarded as godly is not more than a laughing stock!
Yes i agree again, that science doesnt have have answer to many weird crap's but that doesnt mean they are supernatural,its just few time period away to be proved to be another fake!

So atleast now try to shift your balance towards science...
I am just fighting coz because of this f cking astrology stuff,many innocent girls are pushed to state of depression coz many girls today are tagged as some astro abnormality,which prevents them to marry a normal man!
And there is more to these crap!
Thats why i am arguing so much...to prove astrology is bullsh!t and god doesn exist!

 

[Faun]

I am just fighting coz because of this f cking astrology stuff,many innocent girls are pushed to state of depression coz many girls today are tagged as some astro abnormality,which prevents them to marry a normal man!
And there is more to these crap!
Thats why i am arguing so much...to prove astrology is bullsh!t and god doesn exist!

yeah people do act like yuckwords

Its really crap that people see kundali before marriage and pay the dhongi pandits fees.

Of course if u luv someone truly then nothing should come b/w you and the person you love.

But yeah u cant blame that to astrology or something, its the people who make choices.

Even science says that marriage in same geographical area having common gene pool will lead to many genetic attenuation. But should I refrain from marry someone just cuz my generations may hav more chances of having genetic defects ? No certainly not.

People make choices here too.

Now there is something really strange to me, Mayans were actually able to predict all the solar events with preciseness ! How in world will someone havin orthodox belief of religion will come up with so much more accurate calendar ?

We start the counting from 1 to 100. But dont you think the whole life is a vicious circle ?

 

[naveen_reloaded]

Again you take a medical fact of consaguinous marriage...and thier ill effect and compare it with astro crap...
Consaguinous marriase will lead to abnormality DUE to genetic effect...
But again you will say astro can predict such things before, if thats the case why is there many infertility cases in hospitals...and many breakups...in recent years...
Many ancient astronomers..not astrologers were able to give complete picture of universe coz they are genius...like all other scientist out there...this doesnt mean that astrology is legit...
The whole problem arises coz in past history,many have integrated astro crap with astronomy!which is the real problem now!

 

[Faun]

^^u hav taken it too close, i mean here in my hometown people dont marry in same vtown and not even in nearby town, they seek out some 100Km or 200Km away town to fix a marriage. Dunno how they got the idea from ?

well i dont want cite out links from here and there.

For infertility and breakup look no further than the degradation of biodiversity.
Relationships break up cuz of many factors - stress, tense life, hectic schedule etc.

Sure do all these things are a gift from science We just dont bother to look at the other side.

 

[praka123]

what @nevin said is correct reg tamilnadu.I was shocked to know that in tamil nadu and all cousin marriages are common.and the biggest shock came when in TN mother's younger brother(uncle) are allowed to marry sister's daughter(mama ponnu?).sick sigh!incest???
This should be banned.I also agree on astrolgers saying about chovva Dosham(chevvai thosam) ending up girls who cant marry!