AMD Llano (desktop) discussion

[Skud]

the Hybrid CFx gains can be made with mature drivers, so that 'm not worried about.

But Llano's CPU and GPU, are terrible weak. Going by the specifications itself, Llano's GPU should have done 3-4x better than Intel's HD3000, but that's not the case at all.

Depends on which settings you are testing. Most of the sites have tested without AA and AF and medium settings. Its more or less 2x faster at these settings, let someone test it at the highest playable settings for the Llano and how HD3000 perform at those settings. 3-4x performance gain seems a possibility.

 

[vickybat]

^^ Llano's gpu isn't powerful enough to run even slightly graphically demanding games at highest settings.

So in a nutshell, its twice the performance of hd 3000 & not 2-4x faster.

 

[comp@ddict]

Depends on which settings you are testing. Most of the sites have tested without AA and AF and medium settings. Its more or less 2x faster at these settings, let someone test it at the highest playable settings for the Llano and how HD3000 perform at those settings. 3-4x performance gain seems a possibility.

And at that settings, neither Intel's IGP nor Llano would deliver any playable frame rate.

Makes the whole thing pointless.

 

[topgear]

ok liano APU's are available at smc

AMD A8-3850 @ 7,000.00
AMD A6-3650 @ 5,850.00

also mobos are available - posted by jas on hw price check thread :

Gigabyte GA-A75-D3H @ 7.1k
Gigabyte GA-A75M-D2H @ 6.6k
Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V @ 5.95k

but I would also like to see a mobo around 4k anyway

 

[kamal_saran]

prices are high, is these are final prices or we can see a drop in next month, otherwise i have to get a phenom x4 and 880g mobo . .

 

[Skud]

And at that settings, neither Intel's IGP nor Llano would deliver any playable frame rate.

Makes the whole thing pointless.

Buddy I have stated Highest Playable Settings, like the way HardOCP tests. I was looking the results at Anandtech and there seems quite a bit headroom to increase the settings in a few games, so testing and comparing at higher settings would give a better picture IMO.

 

[comp@ddict]

Okay okay!

But I still think the BEST DEAL would be :

A8-3800 @ 6k (hopefully)
A55 based mobo @ 4k

That would make it worth 10k, because currently it isn't worth much more over that. It would make sense for a person to buy a GPU for any gaming needs, and if gaming isn't priority at all, Sandy Bridge Duals perform better and cost lesser.

 

[coderunknown]

launch price is good. after a month or two price should settle down like 6k for the A8 & 4.5k for the A6.

 

[Skud]

Problem with currently released mobos is that most of them are either full ATX or have dual PCI-x16 slots, so prices are on the higher side. MicroATX mobo with single PCI-x16 slot should be of lesser price.

Anyway, more than the price of APU, the prices of the mobos are a concern. Hope they will come down within a couple of months.

 

[kamal_saran]

well, then i think i have to wait till august to see prices. Or i will go with phenom build or i5 if possible

 

[coderunknown]

Problem with currently released mobos is that most of them are either full ATX or have dual PCI-x16 slots, so prices are on the higher side. MicroATX mobo with single PCI-x16 slot should be of lesser price.

Anyway, more than the price of APU, the prices of the mobos are a concern. Hope they will come down within a couple of months.

thats been the problem since the introduction of the 8-series. motherboard (even basic one) cost above 4.5k

 

[topgear]

^^ 8 series mobos can be bought for as low as ~3.5k such as MSI 880GM-E35/E41

The prices of of Liano based mobo and apus are on higher side is because they are newly launched product right now - after a couple of months their prices will come down for sure

 

[coderunknown]

yes now it has came down but when they were first introduced the price were really high.
i feel the same for Llano. AMD have to make sure motherboard price is also low at launch, something like the H61s.

 

[topgear]

Intel considered H61 as a low end product for SB cpu's and that's why the mobos based on it has low price tag but there's some H61 mobos which prices are more than 5k.

AMD is not considering Liano as a low end product - they are considering it as a whole new platform ( though it based on Phenom II ) A75 and A8-3850 is the Top of the line Liano product and that's why their prices are a bit steep right now and until Bulldozer comes out AMD will hold this position as many HTPC makers will use Liano

 

[comp@ddict]

I'm still waiting for the laptops man, where the hell are they. THats the one I'll be buying!

The Desktop parts are already available, but no sign of the laptops!!!!!!!!

 

[skeletor]

Gigabyte GA-A755M-S2V and AMD A8-3850 are available for 6k and 7k respectively @ SMCinternational.in

Wait for a month, the prices will settle down.

 

[coderunknown]

AMD is not considering Liano as a low end product - they are considering it as a whole new platform ( though it based on Phenom II ) A75 and A8-3850 is the Top of the line Liano product and that's why their prices are a bit steep right now and until Bulldozer comes out AMD will hold this position as many HTPC makers will use Liano

true. but they should at least develop some chipset for the lowend market but then again for AMD Llano isn't lowend.

Gigabyte GA-A755M-S2V ---> 6k

price is steep but it is feature packed. so expected. maybe in a month time we'll see some stripped down board for ~4k.

 

[topgear]

found another review
A75-UD4H Review + A3850 Review (Physical Analysis, Overclocking, Benchies, Video) - techPowerUp! Forums

 

[comp@ddict]

AMD APU Undervolting: Reduce Power Consumption by 32%!

Keep in mind, this is whole system power, IGP only.

AMD Fusion A8-3850, 2.9GHz, Socket FM1
Thermaltake K8 Silent Boost, Socket 754
GigaByte GA-A75-UD2H, Socket FM1
4GB Kingston HyperX DDR3-2000
1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm HDD
SilverStone Strider ST60F 600W

Core i3 2100 - 65W TDP
Idle - 59W
CPU Max - 184W
Full Load - 209W


AMD A8 3850
Idle - 55.6W
Full Load - 209W

After Undervolt,
CPU Max - 123W
Full Load - 141.8W

AMD APU Undervolting: Reduce Power Consumption by 32%! - Bright Side Of News*

What you notice is a HUGE DROP in power consumption, makes me wonder WHY AMD didn't choose higher CPU and GPU clocks, or just drop the TDP to 65W instead!

 

[coderunknown]

What you notice is a HUGE DROP in power consumption, makes me wonder WHY AMD didn't choose higher CPU and GPU clocks, or just drop the TDP to 65W instead!

absolutely. ok release A8 for 95W but release A6 for 65W. they did the same with Phenom II X4 & Athlon II X4. both are avl at 95W.