*** Science Or God? ***

Science or God?


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rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
^^

So which side are you? Science or God?
LOL...man.....
well, u r obviously new to this thread (don't take it otherwise)

Always with science.

I think I'll quote one of my previous post here...

b/w, anyone of you here cared to read the posts of mediator and karnivore here??
Rishav, please read mediator's posts, I like him as he always backs up his claims with proofs. He just doesn't believe something, he has reasons for what he's doing.

quote from my first post in this thread,
I do not believe in God cz I want logic for everything happening to me or around me........and God or any Godly things doesn't care of logic...........science can give me logic, answers, reasons ,whys and hows all of these. The things, that science can't explain, I'll wait for it rather blindly believing dat someone up there is responsible for this.

IMO......God is created by weak hearted......who have less faith in themselves........for every step in life, for every risk they take, they need someone to save them if any mishap happens. I ask why, why do u want to be saved, why not bear what u've done, why not accept dat u r getting accordingly wat u've acted, how u've responsed and how well u were prepared to tackle dat situation. There were no God to create dat situation for u or none is responsible for wat u r today.

U know wat I most dislike about this GOD...........people forget to give due credit to the deserving one when thanking. When someone has succeeded in any task or any difficult situation, it might be that some other people have helped him or he himself has helped him. But..when he'll thank anyone, he'll first thank GOD not d guys who helped him. Why........??? Its d people who helped u, who made u out of crisis and they are remembered later........

I get pissed off more when I c how this GOD is sold everyday.....every moment......The temples, masjids, churches are getting donations everyday but not d needed one.......if u want to help someone why not help him/her directly........rather donating it to any religious place donate directly to where its required......there are a lot of "NGO"-s today.......everyday u get to hear about them, encounter them on the way home why not donate the "offering" to them...........I don't know how the temples helps poor or needy........but some times it comes news paper that some temple is turning their idol in gold(where's the money coming from??), offering a gold throne( again same question) etc etc......answer me once can't d money be utilized in helping the so called "poor country".....???
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/873068-post651.html

@Rishav's posts, dude I first thought of replying to ur posts, but day by day ur replies are containing more "I believe", "I think", "How can u" phrases...

First, science does not care what you believe, science does not care what u think until and unless you can provide some proofs for your claims.
And on "how can I", yes I can, on the same logic/reason that u can't.

On culture, if something is wrong and was practiced for 1000 years, then, even now and for next 1000 years it will be wrong to me.

About ur jumbled up timeline on hindu beliefs...well, I hope u've heard the words "adaptation" and "influence".......

culture is always adapted and influenced by other culture(s)...so you just can't keep something that like and discard others...if u have to take, take the whole thing...
 
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vamsi_krishna

Human Spambot
The Indus Valley civilization has not so much to do with our modern India dude, it was completely destroyed either by invasion or some earthquake. The formation base of current India is the last 2000 years. And the Mughals are the most important rulers in the history of India. And how can you say that the Indus valley people didn't listen to devotional songs? In fact many terracotta figures of various Instruments have been found.

I know science has granted has boons, without which life can't even be imagined. But does that mean that you disrespect everything that is not scientific. Making fun of our own Instruments? our own Culture? The culture that world loves.

Great.. now you are telling mughal empire which was started by Babur.. who is a decedent of Timur and born in Andijan, Farghana as a retrospect of pure indian culture and who never followed indian and only showed tolerance towards indian culture. Mughals brought the culture of other countries and mixed it with indian. Now.. those customs and cultures mingled with indian so much.. that we don't even realize now that it was brought to india and was not born in india.

Disrespect! please. I always have respected the thought of GOD who is keeping many people in check with the fear factor. Infact it is you.. who gone boom on science.
 

furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
LOL...man.....
well, u r obviously new to this thread (don't take it otherwise)

Always with science.

I think I'll quote one of my previous post here...

b/w, anyone of you here cared to read the posts of mediator and karnivore here??

LOL, i read but just want to spit out the word from your mouth. :D

And ofcourse i read first few posts of them and quite impressed. But you know reading this whole thread wont be a easy job and not doable. :D

I am always asking for proof if he is making an statement, but he never gave one. I simply feel pity for them, coz they believe in something, that they dont even know about (completely).

Whatelse to talk about?
 

rishitells

Always in Dreams...
b/w, anyone of you here cared to read the posts of mediator and karnivore here??
Rishav, please read mediator's posts, I like him as he always backs up his claims with proofs. He just doesn't believe something, he has reasons for what he's doing.
Yes I really admire their posts. Will try to take care next time.
But there are things beyond our sense and mental ability to understand, denying them on the basis of being not reasonable isn't a good idea. Everything can't be proved scientifically, because science still has some limits.
 

furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
@Rishabh_sharma1990

Can you tell me one fact which science not able to answer? Leave aside GOD? But other than that, science has answer for everything you need, you do.
 

rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
But there are things beyond our sense and mental ability to understand

I would sure like to know about them, please mention a few of such incidents/things.
denying them on the basis of being not reasonable isn't a good idea.
No, not at all. If science denies something it makes sure that it provides enough reasons, facts, proofs behind that denial. So, there will be reasons for sure.

Everything can't be proved scientifically, because science still has some limits.
Agreed, that science still has some limits. But God (and stupidity, as Einstein once told) has no limit. Everything that science can't explain can be explained by some simple phrases "Miracle of God", "God knows", "Gods wish" etc.

Todays miracles will have reasons tomorrow, I would wait for tomorrow but would not settle for "just belief".
The answers that God knows...well God only knows them, and you don't, right? So shut up, if you don't know, let him/her/it answer.
Well, on His wish...who can argue with wish? Even you can't argue with a common man's wish. Wish does not care for logic, reason, facts etc. That is why its a wish.
 

rishitells

Always in Dreams...
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originally posted by rhitwick
I would sure like to know about them, please mention a few of such incidents/things.
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Firstly, scientific theories, especially about the birth of universe, are based on some assumptions. Take for example the big bang theory, its already been discussed so much here so I don't want to elaborate it. Science can't tell how the conditions of big bang were actually formed.

science can describe all complex biological structures, but its silent about how all this came into existence at the first place, do not mention evolution here, because evolution itself need some basis. What's the energy, the source that gives life to our biological bodies? without energy, every object in this infinite universe is dead.

You say science will answer these questions in coming times, so you can just wait and see....
 

vamsi_krishna

Human Spambot
Yea.. big bang theory, supernovas, earth being a veggy before are all assumptions.

In the contrast.. the epics we are reading are facts. Every one saw the gods we are worshiping today.

Come on... who are we kidding here!?
 

rishitells

Always in Dreams...
^^you didn't get the point, I said the forming conditions for big-bang, means how universe came into the state so that big-bang could occur.
 

speedyguy

Cyborg Agent
Scientific experiments have proven that havan destroys harmful bacteria in the atmosphere. A scientist named Tautilk proved that a patient stricken with typhoid disease can be freed of this scourge if he is exposed to the smoke of havan for half hour.

first of all sorry for my delayed replies, i have a slow connection these days so dont login much. i know u accepted ur mistake but i just sed coz u pointed that 2 me personally.

now for hawan, u only saying that science has proved the concept of hawan on how it works. this wasnt done when the hawans started so it was a "miracle of god" but now u accept that there is a science behind it aswell. everything does have a science behind it. its the people who make beliefs just to tell themselves that they shudnt b scared theres some one protecting them.


science can describe all complex biological structures, but its silent about how all this came into existence at the first place, do not mention evolution here, because evolution itself need some basis. What's the energy, the source that gives life to our biological bodies? without energy, every object in this infinite universe is dead.

goodness thats what we are always saying. no1 says science has explained everythin on this universe. but how do you relate it to god? when did you see god creating them or who did? why dont you leave those poor creatures alone till theres an answer to it.

even if hawans were used 2 treat typhoid why isnt it used now globally instead of so many medications? if a person suffers some desease, even blind faith keepers of god wont start a hawan but would take that person to a hospital once they find time they start praying or hawans. its only because (as u told) treatment with smoke is also a science but later science created a better treatment so people blindly use that, above gods prayer.

or if you really have faith in god, when someones in danger why dont you just pray and leave it to god? wheres your faith there? why do u want to use technologies that time?

now i know if people cant answer they will comment the same " some 10th grade student's remarks". rite?

Enjoy~!
 

rhitwick

Democracy is a myth
:evil laugh:
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Firstly, scientific theories, especially about the birth of universe, are based on some assumptions. Take for example the big bang theory, its already been discussed so much here so I don't want to elaborate it. Science can't tell how the conditions of big bang were actually formed.

Now you see how you do it...
So God actually created the conditions for BigBang and then all happened as accordingly as science say right?

U know how it happens...in ancient days they used to there were only sun and earth. Science told no there are other planets too. And u (theists) came ip with a new theory that God created those planets. Then science told that there are other stars too, u (again theists) told that God created them. Then science came up with other universes too, theists told God created them...do you follow the pattern?
Every time science came up with some discovery, theists tried to took away the credit by repeating only one phrase "God created them"...even they failed to provide some new explanation for it.
On, the other hand, I'm not that good at Physics, so I'm leaving the task of providing you the various theories of how the universe created to our fellow TDF physics champions :-D (Plz, don't call me ignorant, I still fear the subject like hell)

science can describe all complex biological structures, but its silent about how all this came into existence at the first place, do not mention evolution here, because evolution itself need some basis. What's the energy, the source that gives life to our biological bodies? without energy, every object in this infinite universe is dead.
:sigh: if only you had the habit of reading newspapers. Well check out the 22nd May's Times of India of this year, its in the front page.

"US scientists create artificial life in a lab" (shocking??)

The man responsible for this is Craig Venter.
Wiki profile
The process of creating artificial life is called "Synthetic Life"
according to wiki,
Synthetic life is artificial life created from non-living (abiotic) substances. It belongs to the discipline of synthetic biology. It is usually distinguished from mechanical life that usually belongs to the discipline of robotics
Do a google search on "Synthetic Life" and you will get more details.

Why am I quoting him? Well, isn't he playing God? He created life from non-living substances and has put life (energy in ur language) in it. So, I, a n00b, can't explain to you how life is created, you would better contact him. I admit I don't know about the process very much in details, and I might be the last person you would want to know the details from.
Please contact Craig Venter.

A few more links on this topic,
Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In natural science, abiogenesis or biopoesis is the study of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter. It should not be confused with evolution, which is the study of how groups of already living things change over time, or with cosmogony, which covers how the universe might have arisen. Most amino acids, often called "the building blocks of life", can form via natural chemical reactions unrelated to life, as demonstrated in the Miller–Urey experiment and similar experiments, which involved simulating some of the conditions of the early Earth, in a scientific laboratory.[1] In all living things, these amino acids are organized into proteins, and the construction of these proteins is mediated by nucleic acids. Which of these organic molecules first arose and how they formed the first life is the focus of abiogenesis.
(on the bold part, does not it sound similar to ur post? "do not mention evolution here, because evolution itself need some basis" )

Please do watch this...
The TED video: Craig Venter unveils "synthetic life" | Video on TED.com


You say science will answer these questions in coming times, so you can just wait and see....
Well, what did I just say, science has already answered and for one of ur queries has actually played God ;-)

I waited and saw, where were you?
 
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furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
^^

Man, that was some good explanation. Lets see what he is going to say (I guess he'd say GOD created Craig, to achieve this task :D)
 

speedyguy

Cyborg Agent
^^

Man, that was some good explanation. Lets see what he is going to say (I guess he'd say GOD created Craig, to achieve this task :D)

rofl :)

well i never knew such things, thanks a lot for info mate....it was a learning for many like me

now about next possible reply, "but i have faith in god and i believe him because of some ancient story again, which is read somewhere" :) :)

Enjoy~!
 

Cooltechie

Right off the assembly line
Science knows that the universe was created from big bang but does science knows that the originating particle the HIGGS BOSON came from into a void space
 
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