AMD Phenom II benchmarks out!! Goodbye Q94xx

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LoRdKsHiTiJ

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^^see, first of all. Phenom II 940 directly competes with Q9450 and Q9400 at stock speeds and this what it is expected to do. compete with those midrange quadcore processors from Intel.

And the dragon platform looks promising. Phenom II + 7xx chipset + HD48xx GPU looks to be a good platform for gaming and multimedia.
i only use my intel rig for surfing & playing occasionally. im not a gamer or anything. :D

i just dont understand amd's intentions/motives behind releasing something thats still miles behind intel in the processor race. whats the point competing with intel's midrange products at this point?

and the performance of HD48xx (in crossfire mode) is still arguable compared to nvidia's monster gtx 280 (single mode or 2-way, 3-way SLI mode)

IF price is the only issue behind abandoning intel build overall then its not enough an argument FOR ME atleast. i for one will still stick to intel all the way till i have enough funds to own core i7 and the rest of the parts accordingly.
 

IronManForever

IronMan; Ready to Roll...
whats the point competing with intel's midrange products at this point?
Thats where the market lies dear. Mid-range is what any company should look for if on a way to capture the market. Just see that they did with HD 4xxx series? They now have enough time and money to R&D for a while.

And you said why AMD is releasing something thats miles behind intel? What do you think designing a new architecture is? making pot-pouri? :lol:
 
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desiibond

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
^I agree....and once price cuts come in then i would prefer the intel Q9550 to the x4 940....simply as it performs better and will be cheaper....As far as i see the only people who will benefit from phenom 2 AT THE MOMENT are people with am2+ boards already...Keep in mind though that AM3 boards are comin next month and if AMD can outperform Intel Q9550+P45+DDR3 with a cheaper x4 940+am3+DDR3...THEN i regeard it as a return to competetion...just not yet.

True. The real competition lies a month away. I do hope that AMD beats Q94xx and Q95xx in performance/price and performance/watt. Not that I like AMD, but that will spice up the competition and make quad cores more and more affordable.

i only use my intel rig for surfing & playing occasionally. im not a gamer or anything. :D

Okay. Fine. In this case, you need not worry about any of this. Max that you need is Pentium Dual core with a decent motherboard and 8400GS. End of story!!! :)

i just dont understand amd's intentions/motives behind releasing something thats still miles behind intel in the processor race. whats the point competing with intel's midrange products at this point?

hmm. you need to take marketing classes :)
most of the processors sold are in mid or lower price range. That's where the market is. You excel there and you get the lion's share of the market.

and the performance of HD48xx (in crossfire mode) is still arguable compared to nvidia's monster gtx 280 (single mode or 2-way, 3-way SLI mode)

at what price?? If I am right, you are the first person on earth that says HD4870 crossfire setup can't beat gtx280. funny. Also, ever came to know about a GPU named HD4870X2???

Remember how much nvidia is struggling now to get back into the competition. defective chips, company stock value crash, xfx opting not to be exclusive partner..... Please read the news!!!

IF price is the only issue behind abandoning intel build overall then its not enough an argument FOR ME atleast. i for one will still stick to intel all the way till i have enough funds to own core i7 and the rest of the parts accordingly.

Seriously, for surfiung and occasional gaming, you don't need core i7 at all!!!

PRICE is the biggest entity in the sales market. This is what drives a product. People want to have a product that does what they want to do at a good price and they pick the brand that provides the same at best price. Don't forget that similar pricing has made nvidia run for cover!!!
 
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amitash

Intel OCer
And the dragon platform looks promising. Phenom II + 7xx chipset + HD48xx GPU looks to be a good platform for gaming and multimedia.

IMHO the "dragon" platform is just a fancy name given to a combo of hardware just to promote sales as amd owns all three things there....Maybe Intel can just name corei7 + x58 + nvidia gtx as "dragon killer at twice the price" platform or something.
 

amitash

Intel OCer
I think AMD feels that people will go "OMG!! its called Dragon!!!" and when ppl see intels long names they will go like "Its core2quad qx9xxx + intel x48 express chipset + err...Nah sounds fishy, ill buy the dragon."
 
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desiibond

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
^^nah. come on. earlier combination was called Spider.

Next one could be vampire :)

anyways, whatever the name is, when you go to SP Road (bangalore) and say I want a set of Dragon. First thing you will hear is the f word :)

It's just for reference. Nothing more than that. I think nobody but tech followers will ever get to know that there were architectures called nehalem, deneb, dragon etc.

PS: Dont' worry. It will take atleast another year for the dragon to blow your rig :)
 
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4T7

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This review imo does not show real world performance benchmarks...they have older games which dont really benefit from multithreading like farcry2...surprisingly crysis warhead on core i7 gives much better performance than phenom2 on anandtech but its the other way around on this review....Anandtech appears to have the best review there.
For an AMD fanboy it's the best :p
 

amitash

Intel OCer
^lol thats true...
PS: Dont' worry. It will take atleast another year for the dragon to blow your rig

I never expected phenom 2 to come close to my rig...thats why i bought it owthout waiting for for phenom2.....In another year ill have westmere.
 

damngoodman999

damnbadman666
Phenom 2 940 is meant for compete with the Q94XX series only

As desibond is correct ,, only it is compared with the core2 duos & core2 quads


corei7 is different !!!
 
790G ? Would that be SB710 or SB750 board with RV710 onboard graphics ?
And it hardly looks impressive. Getting beaten by Q9x50 CPUs that easily in multimedia and gaming.
Makes me wonder if AMD has ANYTHING left at all to offer.
 

comp@ddict

EXIT: DATA Junkyard
Jus hoping the price comes to 10k and below and 15k for mobo-procc combo of Phenom II DDR2 by April, I'm planning of buying it, unless P55 mobos comeout, then I wud definitely go for i7
 

LoRdKsHiTiJ

Hardware Enthusiast
And you said why AMD is releasing something thats miles behind intel? What do you think designing a new architecture is? making pot-pouri? :lol:
i can tell you 1 thing for sure. it didn't take intel long to intro core i7 to the world. but its sure gonna take amd atleast 2 years to even come close to core i7.

at what price?? If I am right, you are the first person on earth that says HD4870 crossfire setup can't beat gtx280. funny. Also, ever came to know about a GPU named HD4870X2???

Remember how much nvidia is struggling now to get back into the competition. defective chips, company stock value crash, xfx opting not to be exclusive partner..... Please read the news!!!

Seriously, for surfiung and occasional gaming, you don't need core i7 at all!!!
no im not the first person. nor will i be the last. if you cannot find stuff on google after this post of mine i will be glad to point you the genuine review sites where its clearly shown how weak the latest HD4870 is compared to gtx 280. 1 on 1. 2 on 1, 3 on 2, 3 on 3. you name it, any combo of gpu power from both sides. gtx 280 beats hd4870 easily. Meh, forget reading reviews, i already own 3 gtx 280s in a 3-way SLI mode & i can challenge you & your hd4870s on any game, any graphic intensive application or any benchmarking software you have. i can give you in writing my build will blow the **** out of your ati build. hell i can even say confidently that even if you stacked up 4 hd4870s against my 3 gtx 280s, i'll still have far more better FPS in crysis than your gpu config. and yes, i wont even need to overclock anything just to gain an edge.

i dont disagree with all the problems nvidia has but i also dont go along with people saying the crap out of some company just for the heck of it. dont be an ATI FANBOY. learn 2 appreciate products, learn 2 give credit to things that really deserve it. whats good is good. period.

im just a hardware enthu who loves upgrading hardware as a hobby. i am very much updated with all the hardware already released so far, in process of being released and planned for release in the coming 2 years. and i know their capabilities.

as for amd's marketing strategies, time will tell who emerges as the winner.
AMD is not a bad company nor are its products bad in any way. all i say is, it doesnt have enough power when someone would compare it with intels products.

P.S: what i do with my rig is none of your business. i didnt ask for your opinion on what i should do with my rig. i am already planning on scrapping everything i have & replacing with core i7, msi x58 & ddr3 ram modules. but ofcourse im still gonna keep my treasure - 3 gtx 280s.
got a problem with that? huh?
 

spidy333

Broken In
^cool man... As far as I know till Nvidia released GTX 295... ATI held the title for fastest single GPU card with 4870x2... dont know about SLi's and CF's..

And people saying dont compare Phenom II's with i7.. then whats up with that naming scheme.. 920 and 940 exactly like i7.. I dont think this much coincidence can happen...
 
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desiibond

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
^^hmm. ATI Fanboy. hahaha. Amd using nvidia chipset mobo and ATI graphics card. So much for ATI fanboy. Right??

tring tring!!!

as per last update, HD4850 X2 beats GTX280 (while it costs less than GTX280 and for the price of two GTX 280's you can get three HD4850 X2's) and HD4870 X2 is currently the fastest card on earth (though till the release of GTX295).

And oh, for the price of one GTX280, I can get HD4850's and in triple CF config, it makes gtx280 search for cover. Don't believe it?? start reading genuine articles and start beliving in surprises!!
 

LoRdKsHiTiJ

Hardware Enthusiast
its amusing to see comparison of HD4870x2 (which actually is 2 cards on 1 PCB by logic) with an actual single GPU. anyways, im not here to judge anything here. it hasn't taken any time for nvidia to beat that too. besides, the so called "best" of ATI has its own sets of disadvantages with increased power.

tafen from softpedia news -
"The CrossFire configuration nears the 3-way SLI, although it does not outperform it, but leaves far behind all the other cards. The Half Life 2: Episode 2 puts the cards on top of the list, but Unreal Tournament 3, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars and Crysis do not scale up so good on them.

The power consumption goes to high values when the CrossFire configuration is used. Also, the cards run really hot, registering 90 degrees Celsius under load and 80 degrees when idling. The cooler also seems to get a little louder when the card is under load, but the noise level is similar to that of other high-end graphics cards."

gtx 280 as a single gpu mode or in 2 or 3-way SLI mode doesn't have that problems. even after i play games for more than 4 hrs, my temperature hardly crosses 80 degrees on full load constantly with simple air cooling. (considering i have 3).

taken from hexus.net -
"The Radeon HD 4870 X2 is as inelgant as it is powerful. Yes, it's the fastest board of them all, but such is the base performance of the £179 Radeon HD 4870 and £219 GeForce GTX 260, that X2 only comes into its own if you're consistently playing at resolutions of 1,920x1,200 and above.

At an educated guess, £299-£349 is going to buy you frame-rate heaven in the form of the Radeon HD 4870 X2, and, of course, it's a fundamentally niche product, populating the £300+ market. We're just nonplussed by the obvious way it goes about it, via internal CrossFire and a loud cooler. We'd rather opt for two Radeon HD 4870s and place them on an Intel or AMD chipset - they'll give you the same performance, for similar money, but offer quieter cooling and a wider range of display options. CrossFire is CrossFire, after all."

HD4870x2 still costs arm & a leg. whereas gtx280 has come down. HD4870x2 hasn't beaten gtx280 with so large a difference that it would make owners of gtx280 throw away their gpus and hog the ATI ones. HD4870x2 uses gddr5 whereas even with all these drastic improvements its still not that impressive against gddr3.
Besides, nvidia is already aware of HD4870x2 and has already introduced gtx285, gtx295. and well, lets face it, posed a competition to their newly introduced HD4870x2 that hasn't had that much long time to attempt the lion's share of the market.

@desi
i can do this with you fanboys all day if i want. you pint me your "genuine" reviews, i'll point you my "genuine reveiws".
but, the competion everywhere speaks for themselves. the market speaks for themselves. a single gtx 280 can & HAS beaten everything ATI has got with the exception of HD4870x2.
you dont believe it? its not my concern.
but if you insist on taking this argument further, im all game. bring it on. fun isin't it? and please, dont say what you CAN do. speak what you HAVE done already.
 
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desiibond

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
HD4870x2 still costs arm & a leg. whereas gtx280 has come down.
ROFLMAO.

HD4870x2 hasn't beaten gtx280 with so large a difference that it would make owners of gtx280 throw away their gpus and hog the ATI ones.
There you go. Thanks for accepting that hd4870x2 is faster!!

And coming to the price

In India, gtx280 costs around 31k and hd4870x2 costs around 34k
in usa, gtx280 costs 430$ to 440$ and hd4870x2 costs around 450$.

check this one for more clarity: *lynx-india.com/index.php?categoryID=201&sort=Price&direction=DESC

huh. and I am the fanboy. hehehehe.

anyways, this discussion is about phenoms and not about gpu's.

please stay away if you are in a mood to fight over a lost cause.

now, if you don't mind, let me get back into the actual discussion.

^cool man... As far as I know till Nvidia released GTX 295... ATI held the title for fastest single GPU card with 4870x2... dont know about SLi's and CF's..

And people saying dont compare Phenom II's with i7.. then whats up with that naming scheme.. 920 and 940 exactly like i7.. I dont think this much coincidence can happen...
yes. this is what I wondered first. Why the hell did amd name it that way. what happened to their four digit naming. it was pretty good.
 

LoRdKsHiTiJ

Hardware Enthusiast
And coming to the price

In India, gtx280 costs around 31k and hd4870x2 costs around 34k
in usa, gtx280 costs 430$ to 440$ and hd4870x2 costs around 450$.
there you go -
and people were trying to teach me marketing tricks.

my last post concerning this stupid lost argument -
an overall amd build with ati cards cost > an overall intel build with nvidia gpu.
overall performance of amd config < = overall performance with intel config
overall performance of (latest most high-end) ati gpus =>< overall performance of nvidia gpus (not considering gtx 285 or 295)

its simple maths. apply your valuable marketing strategies on this now. which one appeals to you more? for intel fans they'll say intel. for people like you you'll STILL say amd. but for neutral masses, they'll go for whicever solution is most cost-effective. and that is where intel wins. nvidia wins. lol.

thats all my point in all of this mindless argument is.:rolleyes:
 

hellgate

At Hell's Disq
an overall amd build with ati cards cost > an overall intel build with nvidia gpu.

ROFLMAO

do u live on Mars or Jupiter?????

also mind lettings us know how do u even manage to pwr 3 GTX280s in tri-SLI with a Corsair TX650????
 
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LoRdKsHiTiJ

Hardware Enthusiast
hardly a post worth replying to but i'll do it anyway.
backup your "ROFLMAO" with something you might have that proves i'm wrong?

im the owner of 3 cards. never said im using it in 1 machine. did i? i dont have the funds for another psu atm so the tx650 is enough for 2.

besides, ive already mentioned earlier i will be scrapping everything anyway to make way for core i7.
 
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